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New iMac Deliveries to Be Delayed Until Early Next Year?

Chupa Chupa said:
That's not the case here. Apple will lose 2/3s of a quarter of iMac sales, maybe even a full quarter. That is significant.
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It is only significant if those folks buy other stuff. If the vast majority simply wait and buy in the subsequent quarter there is no long term significance at all. For those who speculate on Apple stock it may be significant. But that has nothing to do with running the company. The company isn't run for the benefit of short term speculators.

If you think that would have happened under Job's watch OK. I do not. He made blunders, but not like this.
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This isn't even a blunder. The month of November isn't even over. Even if the 21" launches on December 4th and the 27" on Januarary 3-8th it isn't that large of a deviation from the announced timeframes.


1. Steve being involved in design is not the point. I never said it was a bad design, so you are completely off topic there. Cook announcing them for sale when the manufacturing wasn't yet perfect for full-on ramp up is.
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A design that is difficult and unpredictable to manufacturing would exactly be the point. It can't possible be a good design if it cannot be made in volume well and predictably.

2. You cannot go to the Apple Store online or retail and buy a new iMac. Some 3rd party resellers have inventory still, yes, but who is going to buy one and near full price knowing they've been discontinued and an all new one w/ modern connectors has been announced? (Take a look at iPhone sales once mere speculation of a new phone hits the general Internet news feeds.)
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iPhone sales drop but not to zero. Secondly you seem to be myopically focused on the quarter. Even if apple hit the Dec target for the 27" model they'd still be hurting for the quarter.


3. Speed Bump: Bump up the Sandy Bridge proc in each model. Top of the line can get the 3.5ghz. That's what a speed bump is. You are suggesting a major overhaul which is what the new iMac is, but Apple can't push out.
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So 3.5 GHz from 3.4GHz is a significant difference? Not really. That isn't going to be seen as significant by the vast majority of iMac users. There was far more moaning and groaning when the Mac Pro 2012 models came up than cheers for joy.
 
gmanist1000 said:
Because it's Tim's fault that the welding process is causing problems.
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As CEO it IS Tim's responsibility. He signed off on the ultra thin design / friction stir welding / screen lamination / vendor selection / etc.

All of you "up voters" need to understand where the buck stops.
 
Woyzeck said:
I couldn't disagree more. Their current desktop lineup is far away from "the bleeding edge of technology":
- mobile GPUs in desktop computers
- obsolete magnetic drives
- glossy screens that you can't even elevate
- unreliable casing, prone to heat and dust
- non-upgradable designs (it might be new, but its function is very bad)
- a bad mouse design...

Not to speak about the totally outdated Mac Pro.
The only serious desktop these days is the Mini.

The one and only thing where Apple excels on their desktops is the OS.
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I couldn't disagree with YOU more.

-Desktop Intel chips (please refer me to what other obvious company's chips Apple should order to use)

-The new iMacs have a BTO option of an Nvidia MX which IS in fact, a full desktop GPU (rare for these types of all-in-one form factors)

-Blazing fast SSDs

-Bleeding edge laminated screens exceptionally rare for 27" along with 75% glare reduction and individually color tuned using a color spectrometer

-Redesigned casing using a difficult and expensive welding technique and screen lamination should eliminate dust issues (we don't know anything definitively about heat so that is just your assumption theory)

-Non upgradeable design is a given (except for the ram on the 27"). But I have to ask, could you post a percentage of all-in-ones on the market today that can be completely upgraded compared to the amount that cannot?

-Me and every single person in my office cannot live without our Magic Mouse, and do not have sore wrists anymore. This is completely opinion and has nothing to do with "bleeding edge tech"
 
dennno said:
Here we go again with the optical drive argument. Move on already it's 2012! Retailers are barely selling CDs (a majority of them are cutting it out of their inventories), all major software companies offer software installations, drivers, updates etc. over the internet. There's NO excuse.

Here are a few others that you may not know:
1. Cloud storage for photos or facebook. Stop using the "I have to burn a CD for a friend/family". Use email. Don't use slow internet speeds as an excuse. Even third world countries have broadband internet.

2. Cars have an audio jack for your iPhone: why bother trying to switch between 5-10 CDs to find a song you want?

3. Backup: there are a lot of VERY CHEAP professional backup facilities online that you can use that's FAR MORE foolproof than any backup to a CD/DVD that you do yourself. I'm talking fireproof buildings. Offsite mirrored servers, biometric buildings etc. etc. Compare that to a the security of a general user's CD case.

4: If you're too cheap to afford that use a UNIVERSAL serial bus (USB) device. The hint is the word universal, it can be used on virtually any hardware today and is far easier to carry, less prone to damage etc.

5. Blu-ray movies: Why? Blu-ray is limited to specific players whereas you can download a digital version on iTunes which you can play on ANY computer, laptop, iPhone/iPad etc. etc. It's also cheaper, does not break or scratched by little kids, is weightless and can be redownloadble when you get a new computer.

There's no advantage to using CDs except for maybe the nostalgia of using it. It is inferior to technology offerings available today.
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Um, there's lots of places in the U.S. that have "broadband" but it's still mega slow...Perhaps some don't want an internet connection or will be in a situation where they can't use one....Not to mention, blu ray is FAR better quality than anything you can stream...

I'd always prefer to have my own long term physical media for storing home movies of my family.
 
7enderbender said:
I agree with you partially. But PLEASE don't push them even further with calling stuff "obsolete". For a lot of applications I don't consider magnetic drives to be obsolete.
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I totally get your point and I have to agree.

It's just that I don't understand their design decisions. They remove the optical drive because they consider it to be "outdated technology" but on the other side they use 5k magnetic drives in a 2k$ desktop computer. Insane.
They put a glass panel in front of a superb IPS display and get a glossy screen with reduced functionality. Man, we've 40 years of experience with desktop computers now and everybody knows that glossy screens are unergonomic.
The rest of the world is building 27"-displays without any problem, but Apple takes the burden of putting a glass panel in front, reducing screen functionality while at the same time drying out its supply chain and delaying a new product iteration right before xmas.
They put a quad core i7 in their low end desktop to give it a super-fast CPU, but they add a 5k 2.5" magnetic drive to make it super-slow.

These things just don't fit.
 
gmanist1000 said:
Because it's Tim's fault that the welding process is causing problems.
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Tim's fault is failing everything this year

Tell me something that doesn't have serious problems.

MBPr, iPhone, Maps, iPad Mini, and now iMac. Bad reviews and problems everywhere.
 
Drunken Master said:
It's a good thing you posted, I hadn't read anything irrationally negative on here yet today.
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How was it irrational ?

I'm pretty sure I rationalized my position. Clearly too !

Maybe you have comprehension problems ?


Or GOD FORBID anyone say ANYTHING cross about the all mighty Apple. Or present an opinion that isn't mindless ass kissing ......

Good Grief :rolleyes:
 
deconstruct60 said:
It is only significant if those folks buy other stuff. If the vast majority simply wait and buy in the subsequent quarter there is no long term significance at all.


This isn't even a blunder. The month of November isn't even over. Even if the 21" launches on December 4th and the 27" on Januarary 3-8th it isn't that large of a deviation from the announced timeframes.




A design that is difficult and unpredictable to manufacturing would exactly be the point. It can't possible be a good design if it cannot be made in volume well and predictably.



iPhone sales drop but not to zero. Secondly you seem to be myopically focused on the quarter. Even if apple hit the Dec target for the 27" model they'd still be hurting for the quarter.




So 3.5 GHz from 3.4GHz is a significant difference? Not really. That isn't going to be seen as significant by the vast majority of iMac users. There was far more moaning and groaning when the Mac Pro 2012 models came up than cheers for joy.
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1. It's significant either way because it will 100% for sure affect Apple's quarterly earnings in a negative way. Also, in retail, you can't count on customers to come back. New customers wanting to buy a holiday gift and thinking of switching to Mac but forced to buy a Win 8 desktop instead. Old customers that waited so long they decide to wait for another cycle. All sorts of factors here. Bottom line lost sales are lost sales. Apple might recoup some in a future quarter but this quarter, the biggest in retail, is hurt. You can't argue out of that truth.

2. First, that's IF. Black Friday is almost a week away and Apple hasn't even started pre-orders yet. Doesn't look good. Most people don't give delayed holiday gifts...they just buy something else.

3. Design difficultly IS NOT the point. Knowing when it's ready to announce IS the point. Why can't you understand that? The iMac announcement was premature and that was a judgment call by Cook, not Jobs. Jobs was already 6ft under when Cook made the decision to announce.

4. Yes, I'm focusing on this quarter because this is the quarter the iMac is suppose to ship... the biggest quarter in retail. Do you notice when companies announce lower than expected quarterly sales the company's stock drops? It's a big deal. Sequential quarterly growth and Year-Ago Quarter growth is important to every company.

5. 3.5 from 3.4 might not be significant but Apple still charges plenty for those type of CTO upgrades. Also the upgrades would start at the bottom of the line. They'd see more impact than the top of the line because there is more room for upgrade there.
 
deconstruct60 said:
It is only significant if those folks buy other stuff. If the vast majority simply wait and buy in the subsequent quarter there is no long term significance at all. For those who speculate on Apple stock it may be significant. But that has nothing to do with running the company. The company isn't run for the benefit of short term speculators.
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I do think it is fairly significant in the scheme of things when these sport of things start to erode.
 
dennno said:
I'd like to see that blu-ray's quality when you scratch that disc, lose it on a house fire/natural disaster or lend it to a friend who never gives it back. That's right it's gone forever. Are you seriously arguing that a few levels of quality increase (which is barely noticeable to the average person) is worth more than longevity and reusability?

Using your first statement:


It seems you contradict yourself. Blu-ray is certainly not a value for money in comparison to a digital download which is:
1: re-downloadable (lifespan is forever)
2: can be stored in multiple devices
3: safely and securely stored on Apple's servers

So either your arguments for blu-ray is baseless or you're just complaining about value for money. Which is it? :rolleyes:
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Dude..You are polarized here...Nothing wrong with cloud media as there are nice benefits to it but not at the expense of losing user controlled long term physical media...At this point physical media is FAR BETTER quality, there's no comparison really....

Sure lets go cloud, but lets keep physical for the user too...There are benefits to both, there are also big negatives when the user no longer has physical control over their content.
 
DitteVilladsen said:
No.

I think as a design it's stupid to make a computer whose volume is X cubic centimeters, but distribute that volume in a rounded, tapered shape -- and claim it's "thin," when in fact it's just redistributed to appear thin as an optical illusion when seen from the front.

If the volume were distributed in a more rectangular solid form, then the components, which are naturally more rectangular, would be easier to fit in efficiently. Do you use spherical suitcases to pack for travel? Do you know why rooms in offices and houses tend not to be circular? Have you ever tried to furnish a round or triangular room?

The slight bulge on the backs of the iMacs a few years ago was a nice design accent. At this point it's grown so big that it's preposterous. If they can make the whole thing that thin, then do it. But they can't.
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Ok, I guess you don't like the lack of the optical drive which is of course caused by the slim design.

But besides, should the whole iMac as a consequence of your thoughts be as thick as the bulge is right now or the G5 was back in the days? I don't think that this would be a solution either.
 
gmanist1000 said:
Because it's Tim's fault that the welding process is causing problems.
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If Tim okay'd announcing a product, and pulling the current models before being sure all the issues were worked out, then yes it is his fault

Slow and steady is one thing. Dead stop because of a major issue is another
 
does the French site that is reporting this delay rumor have any track record of rumors that turned out to be true???
 
Spent too much time and energy on the ipad and iphone. Forgetting their mac line is the starting to become normal. I'm not even in the market for an iMac, just an observation.
 
yeah, but I'll wait anyway with a buying one till I hear about some eventually issues
(sad to say issues with Apple products becoming the new standard both hardware and software)

xgman said:
At the bottom is still says Nov and Dec. Unless they change that or make a statement . . . . . . :confused:
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iMcLovin said:
I think blaming Tim cook for doing his job poorly is stupid though.
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When you are dong it based in the word of some blog that can't prove they are telling the truth about an event that might maybe happen but we won't know for a good six weeks, it's double stupid.

What next, a theory that Apple is leaking out these rumors to get folks to sell so they have fewer stock shares for this week's dividends?
 
sza said:
Because they want to cut the cost on the materials.
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Aesthetics my friend, aesthetics. People are attracted to Apple products because of their style, perceived higher quality and user friendly software. If you want to increase or maintain sales you must change or improve the product often. The new iMac is a beautifully designed product. some customers will buy it for that reason alone.
 
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