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I have only purchased one Mac in my life. I am a custom built PC guy and I have to say that my IMac will be the last Apple computer I will purchase. I do not like how Apple has changed their product line. For the price of my iMac I can build a nice mini HTPC the will blow away the Mac Mini in every benchmark. I could have an optical drive and be custome modified. Apple needs to recognize they are starting to push away their customers. But who am I to say? I am just the customer.

If benchmarks is what you want, go for it! If you're still hung up on 20 year old optical drives, go for it. Apple is currently driving the bleeding edge of technology. If you want the latest and greatest, buy Apple. If you want obsolete technology, don't buy Apple. It's that simple. Apple is simply providing customers with a choice. Choose as you wish.
 
It does look like they are spending a lot on extra manufacturing capacity overall. They just outspent Intel of all people last quarter for CapEx

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Unfortunately we're not sure how much of that is toward the new Cinema Display.

Still not good enough, is it? I had the iPhone 5 for 2 weeks now. It feels old and is already scratched up. Most people didn't even receive theirs yet.

This just should not happen.
 
And you can always argue the other way around. What cannot be achieved by keeping the old design?

Continued sales growth.

Consumers are more motived to upgrade a new design than and old design. Otherwise companies would have no need to spend R&D on aesthetics. They'd just take the same case and design new internals like Apple has done with the Mac Pro for years. But that is a pro machine. Consumer market is different.

The "sleek" factor sells product. Don't think for a moment that internals alone moves stock. Most consumers have no clue about what they are buying, especially when they buy a computer. It's 89% emotion.
 
Never!! You should abandon all hope of ever getting a new computer...ever. An abacus this year for Christmas! CURSE YOU APPLE!!!!![


WTF man, seriously, chill the heck out. Are you 12?

Looks like you're the one that needs to chill out.
 
It's because if everyone shared your train of thought we would still be using computers the size of warehouses or Zack Morris sized cell phones.

Change is constant. Embrace it or be left behind.

Change should be progressive and evolving based on the function of an item defining its form, rather than apples approach of wanting a certain form and then reducing the functions to fit.

Apple is not progressing or evolving its desktop lines, its regressing and devolving them.
 
How can we call something a fiasco if we don't even know it exists? :confused:

It was already a fiasco. This could bump that up to super fiasco status. ;)

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It is still upgradable. It might take a little bit of magic.


Imagine what pulling the glass off this beast would be like after all the problems they have had sealing it up. :eek:
 
Apple can still use Fusion Drive within the old chassis, maybe even can sell 2 of them in one package since it can fit in replacing the SuperDrive bay.

Not. iMacs have issues with getting rid of head. Even the "old" design. It probably would be far more effective to service lifetime to take some of the SuperDrive space and have it assigned to something that still spins. Only that would be yet another fan ( or a bigger fan ).

If look at the new picture of the iMac ineternals

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I wouldn't be surprised if there are more fans under those two plastic coverings on either side. Essentially, they create three thermal zones inside the new iMac design and do a better job of getting heat out the box.

If keep the ODD that is harder to do with a fixed amount of space. Even harder if reduce the amount of space.

The other issue is that Apple's prices for the SSD part of Fusion drive as so high that there probably would be very few that would take twice the mark-up hit to have a "fusion , fusion drive". So two is probably overkill in terms of those sold.

Room for a 2.5" SDD ( like the Mac mini) would be better if trying to repurpose toward Flash storage. A flash drive with larger, but more affordable ( less dense ) Flash components would be better than two, limited capacity mSATA modules.
 
Yeah but then some analyst comes out and says Android increased its market share and you get people saying Apple needs more than one model of iPhone or they need to release new iPhones every six months to compete. Apple can't win these days. If there was no iPad mini, if the iMac was just a spec bump and looked just like the 2009 iMac people would complain about it and we'd get posts asking what Jony Ive does with all his time (like we got with the iPhone 5 leaks), and how Apple' going download the tubes and isn't innovating any more blah blah blah.

There are only a few diehards left here that still believe that Apples "Mac Desktop" line is in good order at this point.
 
If benchmarks is what you want, go for it! If you're still hung up on 20 year old optical drives, go for it. Apple is currently driving the bleeding edge of technology. If you want the latest and greatest, buy Apple. If you want obsolete technology, don't buy Apple. It's that simple. Apple is simply providing customers with a choice. Choose as you wish.

The only thing Apple products are better than the others is that they look good.
And that was it. Nothing about bleeding edge technology or whatsoever you mentioned of..
Having said that, I'm still waiting for the iMac 27. It really would look good for my flat.
 
Change should be progressive and evolving based on the function of an item defining its form, rather than apples approach of wanting a certain form and then reducing the functions to fit.

Apple is not progressing or evolving its desktop lines, its regressing and devolving them.

Sorry but the optical drive is dead. Move on from it.
 
So the bulge size on the back of the iMac is the critical spec for your buying decision?

No.

I think as a design it's stupid to make a computer whose volume is X cubic centimeters, but distribute that volume in a rounded, tapered shape -- and claim it's "thin," when in fact it's just redistributed to appear thin as an optical illusion when seen from the front.

If the volume were distributed in a more rectangular solid form, then the components, which are naturally more rectangular, would be easier to fit in efficiently. Do you use spherical suitcases to pack for travel? Do you know why rooms in offices and houses tend not to be circular? Have you ever tried to furnish a round or triangular room?

The slight bulge on the backs of the iMacs a few years ago was a nice design accent. At this point it's grown so big that it's preposterous. If they can make the whole thing that thin, then do it. But they can't.
 
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Apple are really slipping... Why would you announce something for which you had any doubt about the manufacturing process. It'll be out of date before it's even shipped.

Glad I built a Hackintosh. Built it using the money I made selling my late 2011 MBP, and still had change left...

Ivy Bridge Quad i7 3770K Overclocked to 4.5Ghz
NVidia GTX 670
16GB 1600Mhz RAM
Samsung 830 SSD
 
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Apple is currently driving the bleeding edge of technology. If you want the latest and greatest, buy Apple. If you want obsolete technology, don't buy Apple. It's that simple. Apple is simply providing customers with a choice. Choose as you wish.

I couldn't disagree more. Their current desktop lineup is far away from "the bleeding edge of technology":
- mobile GPUs in desktop computers
- obsolete magnetic drives
- glossy screens that you can't even elevate
- unreliable casing, prone to heat and dust
- non-upgradable designs (it might be new, but its function is very bad)
- a bad mouse design...

Not to speak about the totally outdated Mac Pro.
The only serious desktop these days is the Mini.

The one and only thing where Apple excels on their desktops is the OS.
 
are carpenters suddenly building crappier desks ?

why does my desktop need to be "thinner and lighter" ??

how are those supply side logistics working out for ya Tim... isnt that your strong suit ?

what a joke
 
this is crazy . I've been waiting since April to buy a new iMac to make the jump from PC.

Wonder if the mini is good enough for photoshop and illustrator???:confused:

I don't know what to do now.... maybe a refurb mac is in my future.
 
I couldn't disagree more. Their current desktop lineup is far away from "the bleeding edge of technology":
- mobile GPUs in desktop computers
- obsolete magnetic drives
- glossy screens that you can't even elevate
- unreliable casing, prone to heat and dust
- non-upgradable designs (it might be new, but its function is very bad)
- a bad mouse design...

Not to speak about the totally outdated Mac Pro.
The only serious desktop these days is the Mini.

The one and only thing where Apple excels on their desktops is the OS.

I thought apple made the new glass non reflective, that should take the gloss off a bit surely, and I love the trackpad. Don't think I could live with a mouse now.

Tbf, if there was a full on GPU in the back of the mac, it would surely be noisy, and probably run hotter?
 
This thing does not even have a retina display, why does it take such a long time to manufacture?

Next year:"We are going to introduce a revolutionary iMac with this amazing retina display.":D

If you actually read the article beyond the title, you would understand that the retina display has nothing to do with why it's taking a longer time. The article points out the new welding process being used as being the culprit.
 
Apple should offer the option of a genuine and true matte display for health and productivity reasons. Just search Google for MacMatte to get the facts!
 
if benchmarks is what you want, go for it! If you're still hung up on 20 year old optical drives, go for it. Apple is currently driving the bleeding edge of technology. If you want the latest and greatest, buy apple. If you want obsolete technology, don't buy apple. It's that simple. Apple is simply providing customers with a choice. Choose as you wish.

lol

Is that why the iMac I bought in June 2012 had such bleeding edge 2011 tech in it?
 
C´mon Apple!

By NO means am I going to switch to Windows, but I need a new iMac NOW!! My 2009 iMac (which still works flawlessly, BTW) needs a brother. I was going to get the 27" on Christmas :(

The only way I´ll forgive you moving the shipping date is if you upgrade the specs a little.
 
It's because if everyone shared your train of thought we would still be using computers the size of warehouses or Zack Morris sized cell phones.

Change is constant. Embrace it or be left behind.


Not true....There is a point of diminished returns and there is a point where form can get ahead of available technology to effectively implement what is currently available....

Apple is close to the point of getting ahead of itself.
 
I couldn't disagree more. Their current desktop lineup is far away from "the bleeding edge of technology":
- mobile GPUs in desktop computers
- obsolete magnetic drives
- glossy screens that you can't even elevate
- unreliable casing, prone to heat and dust
- non-upgradable designs (it might be new, but its function is very bad)
- a bad mouse design...

Not to speak about the totally outdated Mac Pro.
The only serious desktop these days is the Mini.

The one and only thing where Apple excels on their desktops is the OS.


I agree with you partially. But PLEASE don't push them even further with calling stuff "obsolete". For a lot of applications I don't consider magnetic drives to be obsolete. Actually, that is the main reason I'm still waiting to see what can actually go inside the new iMac instead of just buying the Mac Mini. I do in fact want and need a fast second drive for audio data and I don't trust smallish SSDs with that yet. And the new hybrid drive looks not good at all either. So this is not obsolete yet.
Neither is a fully functioning Firewire port and an optical drive. The people who originally made Apple who they are still need this kind of stuff for lack of alternatives. I still need to have my audio on CDs first. I still have clients who want a CD or DVD with their photos. Professional grade audio interfaces still on FW with not much else on the horizon really.

So please don't push them further in the direction of catering 100% to the sitting-around-at-Starbucks-with-a-latte-surfing-the-interweb-on-a-pretty-retina-toy-crowd.
 
are carpenters suddenly building crappier desks ?

why does my desktop need to be "thinner and lighter" ??

how are those supply side logistics working out for ya Tim... isnt that your strong suit ?

what a joke

Here you go. This might be a better fit for your needs:
 

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