Senseotech
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It actually does have the HD300/4000 GPU, its just not exposed to the OS in any meaningful fashion as a user-visible GPU. Thats what allows them to do AirPlay Mirroring.
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It actually does have the HD300/4000 GPU, its just not exposed to the OS in any meaningful fashion as a user-visible GPU. Thats what allows them to do AirPlay Mirroring.
Yes it does. It has HD3000/HD4000 on the CPU die. Please look up CPU spec before posting again.
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Comments like these absolutely kill me. It's like a combination of a) a user does not experience the problem his/herself and therefore it must not be a global issue, and b) a user assumes that OSX is infallible and any issue must be a hardware fluke.
I've had four rMBP 15" now: first one suffered from the battery time reduced to 2.5 hours after ML came out and Apple replaced it instead of insisting I wait for an update; second one had a broken hinge where the monitor was not firmly attached; the third one did not have 2-3 of the cells glued to the chassis resulting in clunking and ratting; the fourth one has been dandy from a hardware standpoint.
Why am I saying this? Because ALL FOUR had nasty issues with Safari where CSS rendering was wrecked, gifs loaded all jacked up, audio had periodic stuttering, keyboard / mouse would occasionally become unresponsive, background resets after every restart, GUI animations are stuttering between workspace transitions (though this was improved greatly in 10.8.2), shut down is occasionally delayed, etc.
This is absolutely not a hardware issue. These are software issues, and at this point I'm convinced there are only two ML developers working in a basement cubicle in Cupertino currently preoccupied with a NERF gun war and probably haven't used a retina model Macbook since they've been employed by Apple (via a temp agency). /rant
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Another Wednesday goes by..."Crushed Whites" over HDMI Problem on the Mac mini since 4 months now. Oh well...
Even if the Retina MacBook Pros did not have hardware problems, I still would not want to buy one, because they are almost impossible to upgrade. You cannot upgrade the RAM. You can, however, upgrade its SSD, but not very easily.
I am perfectly fine with my Mid-2009 MacBook Pro, because it's still very fast and I can easily upgrade both the RAM and the hard drive. I could even switch so an SSD if I want to. Plus, it is still supported under the latest version of OS X, which is OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion and I'm pretty sure that it will also be supported under OS X 10.9 when it is released later this year. However, my MacBook Pro does not support AirPlay nor does it support PowerNap, but I'm not crazy about those two features. Based on the history of OS X releases, my guess is that 10.9 will support MacBook Pros that are late 2008 and newer.
I would say the rMBP is the best laptop I've ever owned, but for $2k+, it falls short in some areas that just seem incredibly silly. As for the SSD, it's incredibly easy. You just need a pentalobe screwdriver. Unfortunately the price of a new drive is ridiculous.
That's what I meant about an SSD upgrade. You need to purchase a certain, specific one and it's more expensive compared to the ones that fit into PC laptops. The ones that fit into PC laptops will not fit into a Retina MacBook Pro.
You are right, though. The Retina ones have a higher resolution and they perform better, so I don't blame you, but upgradeability and customizability are the only things that are holding me off. I want to hold off on a Retina MacBook Pro until it's really time to upgrade unless Apple releases a version that is just as upgradeable and customizable as the regular MacBook Pros. It would also be great if they make the battery user-replaceable. At any of those points, I really would be interested in upgrading, of course, I would need the money for it. The tech world moves fast.
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If they come out with something like that, I'll dump this one in a heartbeat. Not being able to upgrade anything makes this thing unrepairable, and makes it seem like I won't get as many years out of it (whereas my wife's 2009 MBP is screaming fast with an SSD and upgraded RAM). Sadly, I think Apple is heading in the direction of disposable machines with far too much glue.
If you are not willing to post informative information and or truthful information then it would be greatly appreciated that you do not post on such matters that you do not completely understand or informed about. Being obtuse about such things is not appreciated.
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FrancoisC
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You should know that all of 2012's iMac do in fact have an integrated GPU, and that it it used for AirPlay purpose, using some of intel's feature; quicksync if I'm not mistaken.
One easy way to prove it; OS X only load the kext it require to work; it won't load radeon kext on an nvidia machine, and vice versa.
At the bottom of my post is a screenshot taken on my 27' iMac with the 680MX, you'll notice that there are loaded drivers (or more accurately "kext") for both the GeForce and the Intel HD 4000.
Also, on PC motherboards with thunderbolt, if you disable the on board GPU (HD 3000 or HD 4000) you lose the ability to use the port for display purpose, it become a data only port.
Lastly, here's intel page about the CPU used in the top of the line 27' iMac:
http://ark.intel.com/products/65719/
You'll notice that even there, it state that the CPU has the HD 4000 onboard.
PS: Newer Xeon do have a GPU on board, not sure the name, so they are fine for a future Mac Pro with Thunderbolt.
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When you use the DP aspect of the iMac Thunderbolt port, what GPU is getting hit, the on-die, or the dedicated one?
mattonthemoon
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Has Apple ever released a patch on Thursdays?
I don't recall.
First no 10.8.3 in February, nor any 10.9 announcements...what a let down.
I don't recall.
First no 10.8.3 in February, nor any 10.9 announcements...what a let down.
Thunderbolt spec allows for GPU pass threw so you are still getting the Dedicated card. The standard currently requires the IGPU to be present in order to function and Intel has stated that they do not wish to change this at this time. See Asus Thunderboltex and how Intel denied the adaptor for sale.
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That is only on LGA 1155 versions which do not support dual CPUS. Thus a iMac and or Mac Mini would be fasted so LGA 2011 will be the logical choice.
Yes, they've released OSX patches every weekday but Friday (at least not any friday in the last few years).
swissmann
macrumors 6502a
If my quick glance at wikipedia is accurate then the 10.8.2 supplemental update was released October 4, 2012 which is a Thursday.
mattonthemoon
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Sky Blue
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Here's something useless for you 🙂
The time in days between OS X updates, here's the top 10, not including betas of any kind.
1. 165 days, 10.4.8 - 10.4.9
2. 148 days, 10.5.6 - 10.5.7
3. 148 days, 10.6.4 - 10.6.5
4. 148 days so far,10.8.2SU - 10.8.3
5. 147 days, 10.4.10 - 10.4.11
6. 140, 10.6.2 - 10.6.3
7. 133, 10.7.4 - 10.7.5
8. 112 10.7.2 - 10.7.3
9. 111, 10.4.2 -10.4.3
10. 107, 10.5.2 - 10.5.3
You can see the 10.x.2 - 10.x.3 is one of the longest cycles.
If you go by the original 10.8.2, not the supplemental update, it's been 163 days.
The time in days between OS X updates, here's the top 10, not including betas of any kind.
1. 165 days, 10.4.8 - 10.4.9
2. 148 days, 10.5.6 - 10.5.7
3. 148 days, 10.6.4 - 10.6.5
4. 148 days so far,10.8.2SU - 10.8.3
5. 147 days, 10.4.10 - 10.4.11
6. 140, 10.6.2 - 10.6.3
7. 133, 10.7.4 - 10.7.5
8. 112 10.7.2 - 10.7.3
9. 111, 10.4.2 -10.4.3
10. 107, 10.5.2 - 10.5.3
You can see the 10.x.2 - 10.x.3 is one of the longest cycles.
If you go by the original 10.8.2, not the supplemental update, it's been 163 days.
MarcusCarpenter
macrumors 6502a
i really do hope it's released today, I'm sick of the laggyness and slow shutdown on a SSD that boots the system in 2 seconds.
swissmann
macrumors 6502a
Great stats. Thanks for looking this up. I can understand why later in the OS life the time in between updates would be longer but from .2 to .3 you'd hope that it is shorter or at least that the .2 release is very stable. Whats strange about this one is how many betas and how long it's been listed as no known issues. These factors have made the time seem longer in my mind.
On a side note I just realized how much more posting I have been doing in these forums lately than usual. It is because I'm holding off on my work projects until 10.8.3 is released for a clean install from 10.7.5. I thought it would be released weeks ago so in preparation I moved everything over to an external HD - things are kind of in limbo for me. I hope it is ready soon.
Same here.
But the big issue is that absolutely all Mac OS X versions (now sadly renamed as just OSX) since version 10.0 until 10.8 are plagued with bugs. Absolutely all. Even today. Just Google for it. Not in all Macs, but in many of them.
I rather prefer that Apple stayed on each version much longer to leave it completely stable and bug-free.
And if they want to move quickly, that is OK, as long as they also fix all --and I mean all- the bugs and issues of all --and I mean all-- major OS previous versions. There are millions still using Mac OS X 10.6.8 because they need Rosetta, for instance.