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10.9 to be the last of the old school ?
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We've seen this depiction of Safari in the browser window for some time now. I can't figure out why it hasn't migrated to the actual icon yet.
I've wondered about this, but, iOS & OS X may not meet until iOS X (10.0), which means there will be OS X 10.10 & 10.11 before they merge. But, then again, how could you run the same OS on the upcoming Mac Pro as well as the iPhone? 
However, the newest iPhone supports 64-bit architecture...two more of those and we have 3 generations of 64-bit iPhones too, so maybe this will line up in about 3 years/generations? But, no, not next year.
However, the newest iPhone supports 64-bit architecture...two more of those and we have 3 generations of 64-bit iPhones too, so maybe this will line up in about 3 years/generations? But, no, not next year.
Personally, I feel it's just a matter of time. However, with OS X, there are less restrictions and can offer more customization... So, hopefully, users will be given the ability to choose which look we prefer.
If nice fresh = iOS 7, i don't!
I prefer the current UI.
But there might be other alternatives.
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I will begin conder that, as well.
That's right.
I'm craving for iOS 8, already.
I know... dream on...
Do you fancy that watch you paid several hundred dollars for?
We made it better for you. Same functionality, just a look we feel moves it forward. You're welcome.
LOL at all the iOS 7 complainers. You're a vocal forum minority who's opinion counts for little. Apple is thankfully moving on regardless and the vast majority likes/loves it.
I wouldn't fret too much though. Apple treats OS X updates very much evolutionary and if it was to get a major overhaul I would have expected it this time round. As they've left so much the same in Mavericks they obviously aren't aiming for consistency for consistency's sake.
I wouldn't fret too much though. Apple treats OS X updates very much evolutionary and if it was to get a major overhaul I would have expected it this time round. As they've left so much the same in Mavericks they obviously aren't aiming for consistency for consistency's sake.
Mourning a loss of sanity within Apple
If I had known in September 2013 what I know now sigh
I never paid much attention to iOS stuff. Reading that quoted claim now, for the first time, makes my blood boil. WTF
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=19504927#post19504927
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That mention of Panther is the reason for me finding this topic. Something that I set aside a few weeks ago:
Every time I view that image, I appreciate the beauty of what's there. A little of QuickTime Player was easy to ridicule true but with one exception, I see nothing to dislike about the UI. The one exception: I never understood why windows were not more easily resizable.
An interesting choice of words, because the alien interface of Yosemite was pretty much the reason for its rejection by me.
Yep.
pastrychef, did you try Yosemite and if so, do you plan to stick with it?
Finding amusement in that way is frankly despicable.
Hmm
I hope not
If I had known in September 2013 what I know now sigh
I never paid much attention to iOS stuff. Reading that quoted claim now, for the first time, makes my blood boil. WTF
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=19504927#post19504927
+1
That mention of Panther is the reason for me finding this topic. Something that I set aside a few weeks ago:
Every time I view that image, I appreciate the beauty of what's there. A little of QuickTime Player was easy to ridicule true but with one exception, I see nothing to dislike about the UI. The one exception: I never understood why windows were not more easily resizable.
An interesting choice of words, because the alien interface of Yosemite was pretty much the reason for its rejection by me.
Yep.
pastrychef, did you try Yosemite and if so, do you plan to stick with it?
Finding amusement in that way is frankly despicable.
Hmm
Yosemite-style third party app: first sighting on Mavericks. Alarmingly fugly.
W . T . F ..
I shan't name the app, but I just launched a beta of something from a third party developer. First impression: ****ing hideous. Like something ported from … I don't know what, but it bore only partial resemblance to one of the Yosemite experiments.
Sheep-like behaviour of developers, I suppose I shouldn't diss that side of things, plus inferior human interface guidelines from Apple that try but fail to hide the lack of explanation of inconsistencies within OS X 10.10, offensive glaringly bright, I mean REALLY bright overall interface, reduced usability … and so on. I literally yelped when I saw it, a high-pitched "No!". Readers, go ahead and laugh – if you find it funny that shockingly ugly apps – apps that can not be consistent with either Mavericks or Yosemite – are in the pipeline from third party developers …
… so soon after Apple's dismal work. A few weeks ago I wondered whether cack-handed lobotomy had been too caustic a description, especially considering the pre-release/beta status of the software. Since launching, for the first time, a third party fruit of Apple's new guidelines, I have to say, no regrets. Yosemite is unforgiving and now it seems that the unforgiving side of it is rubbing off on things that might be used beyond Yosemite.
I'm about to sign off, but first I've gotta share something.
Sir Jonathan Ive, if ever you read this: I tried, really hard, repeatedly, to discourage the disappointed customers in this forum from targeting any individual within Apple with complaints about the development of Yosemite. After seeing the ****ing state of what I just saw, I'm inching towards a suspicion that you were the mystery person – the STARK RAVING BONKERS PERSON ON THE DESIGN TEAM – who I uncharacteristically screamed about in my feedback months ago. Nice ****ing work, mate. A really, really nice ****ing precedent you set there. If what I just saw is the shape of things to come, it can only accelerate the abandonment of Apple by people who truly appreciated what was done in the company's past. Pfft.
W . T . F ..
I shan't name the app, but I just launched a beta of something from a third party developer. First impression: ****ing hideous. Like something ported from … I don't know what, but it bore only partial resemblance to one of the Yosemite experiments.
Sheep-like behaviour of developers, I suppose I shouldn't diss that side of things, plus inferior human interface guidelines from Apple that try but fail to hide the lack of explanation of inconsistencies within OS X 10.10, offensive glaringly bright, I mean REALLY bright overall interface, reduced usability … and so on. I literally yelped when I saw it, a high-pitched "No!". Readers, go ahead and laugh – if you find it funny that shockingly ugly apps – apps that can not be consistent with either Mavericks or Yosemite – are in the pipeline from third party developers …
… so soon after Apple's dismal work. A few weeks ago I wondered whether cack-handed lobotomy had been too caustic a description, especially considering the pre-release/beta status of the software. Since launching, for the first time, a third party fruit of Apple's new guidelines, I have to say, no regrets. Yosemite is unforgiving and now it seems that the unforgiving side of it is rubbing off on things that might be used beyond Yosemite.
I'm about to sign off, but first I've gotta share something.
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Think bubbles
After listening to Sir Jonathan Ive speak, seeing him in interview, I struck through the last part of my previous post.
The emotional response to Yosemite and its consequences is heartfelt, but "I don't think it's okay" to have made the written response so personal, against an individual.
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(Would I have spoken in that way to anyone from Apple if they had been with me at that time on 2nd November? Hand on heart, yes: I probably would have hollered, cursed and then walked away in a state of deep frustration. And I would have regretted it eventually. So that paragraph is struck through, but not removed. That's not as much of an apology as it should be, but Yosemite is unforgiving )
After listening to Sir Jonathan Ive speak, seeing him in interview, I struck through the last part of my previous post.
The emotional response to Yosemite and its consequences is heartfelt, but "I don't think it's okay" to have made the written response so personal, against an individual.
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(Would I have spoken in that way to anyone from Apple if they had been with me at that time on 2nd November? Hand on heart, yes: I probably would have hollered, cursed and then walked away in a state of deep frustration. And I would have regretted it eventually. So that paragraph is struck through, but not removed. That's not as much of an apology as it should be, but Yosemite is unforgiving )
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Wow, I've seen a lot of your posts lately and you sure like to stay professional.
Loyalties of voters in MacRumours: 49% NPS® for Mavericks, -17% for Yosemite
October 2013
Today
Based on recent votes in MacRumors:
October 2013
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Despite Apples rank as the #1 brand WW by Interbrand, the NPS score for the company is weak (-3% NPS score). Nearly 40% of consumers would not recommend the Apple brand.
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Today
Based on recent votes in MacRumors:
- +49% NPS for OS X Mavericks
- -17% NPS for OS X Yosemite
This!
This. This is part of why I ranted.
That's one of the reasons for my passion about the terrible looks of OS X Yosemite.
This. This is part of why I ranted.
That's one of the reasons for my passion about the terrible looks of OS X Yosemite.
App Store ratings for OS X Mavericks
2.5 stars for the initial release of 10.9?
A few weeks ago:
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US
2.5 stars for the initial release of 10.9?
A few weeks ago:
Postscript
US
- 2013-10-23: 5.0 stars
- 2013-11-09: 4.5
- 2014-01-22: 3.5 for OS X 10.9.1
- 2014-05-02: 3.5 for OS X 10.9.2
- 2014-06-25: 3.0 for OS X 10.9.3
- 2014-09-12: 3.5 for OS X 10.9.4
- 2014-09-24: 4.0 for OS X 10.9.5.
- 2013-10-24: 4.5
- 2014-09-12: 3.0 for OS X 10.9.4
- 2014-10-16: 4.0 for OS X 10.9.5.
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From a 2011 session, yesterday I restored a fourteen-tab window:
I like that. Neat, predictable.
(Yosemite's flat overlapping of wordless fractions of tabs never pleased me.)
This is my reason for purchasing an older MBA or MBP just to install 10.9. 10.10 with its flat, no shadowing, lack of contrast is ugly and disorienting to use on a consistent basis. And contacts is a mess in 10.10, but 10.9 isn't much better.
But all this is my opinion. apple will do what they want to do.
edit: didn't realize this thread was so old. wouldn't have posted had I known. sorry for resurrecting this.
There's an old school aspect to the question, but Mavericks is not an old operating system; I should not treat this as an old thread.
You didn't resurrect it, @grahamperrin did. No worries.
To those of us who have been using Yosemite for a while, it is
However, what is truly the last of the old school? Mac OS 9. 10.9 is nothing unique, in fact to me 10.6 has more significance as the last OS before the iOS-ification of OS X and deterioration of Aqua.
I'm not complaining about Yosemite though, it's a fine-looking OS for Retina displays.
The Mavericks mixture of old school, maturity – and much more – is most pleasing.
I can't expect to sway the opinion of any MacRumors member who thinks of Mavericks as generally old (or too old)
I do find that the older i get ( i started with macs on OS 8 ) - all i really want is a system that is a pleasure to use & that doesn't constantly give me grief.
I have found Mavericks to be very stable & easy on the eyes and cant see myself upgrading again. I tried Yosemite when it was released & was back with Mavericks within a couple of weeks.
Not possessing iPhones/ ipads or iPods, i don't have to have all the latest OS gizmo's that seem to be encroaching on Mac OSX nowadays.
One thing that does concern me is that Apple appear to be tying down the system more & more, making it harder to easily tweak the system to ones own wishes.
Having said that - at least we are not forced to upgrade - unlike the mobile side, where Apple stop signing the signatures for older systems. A small mercy for while that freedom lasts.
I have found Mavericks to be very stable & easy on the eyes and cant see myself upgrading again. I tried Yosemite when it was released & was back with Mavericks within a couple of weeks.
Not possessing iPhones/ ipads or iPods, i don't have to have all the latest OS gizmo's that seem to be encroaching on Mac OSX nowadays.
One thing that does concern me is that Apple appear to be tying down the system more & more, making it harder to easily tweak the system to ones own wishes.
Having said that - at least we are not forced to upgrade - unlike the mobile side, where Apple stop signing the signatures for older systems. A small mercy for while that freedom lasts.
I had, and enjoyed, a very old refurbished iPhone. As I withdrew from seed testing of Yosemite, so it no longer made no sense to consider a more modern iPhone.
I expect the things that are most important to me to be more pleasant with Mavericks than with any other desktop/notebook operating system. I plan to share more information under https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1849595/ …