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Interstellar Movie 2014 (SPOILERS)
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I completely agree. I recently watched Interstellar - 3 times in a row. I was completely blown away!Spoiler!
We just streamed Interstellar, second time seeing it. I am happy with this movie, it's epic, beautiful, and to some extent spiritual. The music is a bit oppressive during the gee-whiz part and I'll acknowledge that I have no insistence everyone love or like it.
Mostly it all makes sense, however, regarding time paradoxes, the blatant one is getting the coordinates for the secret NASA facility through the bookshelf. I can live with that, but I don't see that part as important to the story. There could have been other better ways for the story teller to have them discover the NASA facility. Like the drone they capture, instead it could have easily led them there.
The other part of the info transferred by way of the bookshelf and the wristwatch is not so much a time paradox as it is communication over long distances and some time discontinuity allowed by relativity. This process allows Coop to send the quantum data needed to allow Cooper's daughter to complete Dr. Brand's equation to defy gravity, allowing large ships to launch off Earth taking, I assume, most survivors with them. And the message that love transmits across the universe. This was easy for me to buy.I'm still deciding if I want to purchase the disk.
Think of the body of water as a fluid that encompasses and flows on top of the planet, and can thus rotate independently of the underlying surface while still being influenced by it.
The extreme gravity of Gargantua pulls this body of water towards it on one side of the planet, and the rocking back and forth of the planet itself is what, I assume, disturbs what would otherwise be a uniform body, and creates peaks and valleys.
Think of doing the same thing with a tub of water. Flipping it about to the left and right creates waves. The pull of gravity fixes these waves into a static position to the point that even if you were to rotate the tub while rocking it, the waves would stay in their same location, even though the rocking itself is what's creating them. Anyone standing on the bottom of the tub would be slammed into them over and over again as it rotates them through it.
edit:...or maybe it's better to say that the body of water isn't rotating at all, but the planet underneath it is. The rocking of the planet creates a consistent pattern of waves that the gravity of Gargantua freezes into position. You're being pushed through the waves as Miller's Planet orbits around Gargantua, which I think it'd have to do fairly quickly.
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johnnyturbouk
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Yep I was a bit lost too! I'll have to wait until I read Kip's book, but the following provides some insight and clarity.
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/101543-Calculating-tidal-forces-(Interstellar)
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Finally got round to watching this (I avoid cinemas because other people aren't nice in them ). Totally blown away! That scene where the main guys watching those videos from years before really got my bawling my eyes out!
Phenomenal film.
Oh! One thing I absolutely loved about this film was how "old" Michael Caine was, and how he moved. I know it's just a tiny detail to show that he's old but I've never really seen that used in such an (kinda-)action epic like this.
). Totally blown away! That scene where the main guys watching those videos from years before really got my bawling my eyes out!Phenomenal film.
Oh! One thing I absolutely loved about this film was how "old" Michael Caine was, and how he moved. I know it's just a tiny detail to show that he's old but I've never really seen that used in such an (kinda-)action epic like this.
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I like the dimensional theories (11 dimensions), because it makes time travel paradoxes not so paradoxical.
However, it is contrary with the terms of our existence when referenced above the atomic level. It makes boot strap paradox stories more acceptable, but as far as personal existence in our model, we witness nothing like this in our lives so it still requires a leap of faith, which for the purpose of entertainment and speculation, I'm willing to make. The idea of 5d beings, who could interact with us, turns our concept of how we exist on our heads, but not necessarily if they exist in another "space"/parralel dimension. We know from a practical standpoint how we exist, we are on rails, seemingly individual rails capable of experiencing time at different rates, not able to change our perception of time, just the relationship of our time as compared to others by means of movement and relativity.
A 5th dimension would be a completely different means of existence, so alien, I wonder if besides identifying it, can it be imagined? As 3D creatures, we navigate space by means of time and speed. My impression is besides proposing it as a possibility to explain phenomena, no one understands how it would work. Btw, I have no issue with atomic theory, something as mind blowing as the idea of particles testing all possible paths before being observed on a particular path. But here again there is a barrier of sorts, although by means of instruments we view the results in our material world and have to theorize why the results appear the way they do.
If you remember Coop interacted with the tesseract while in the black hole. This was the mechanism in a location, a black hole (where limits as we know them cease to exist), where he could exist and function in 5d space (sort of) where 3d space+time flowed like bands, and he could jump around in this "extra" dimension to interact with them at different points, yet he still appeared to be functioning in 3D space himself moving around the tesseract. This is an outstanding representation, I think the best if can be illustrated and still make sense to us. But instead of being an extra 3D space, I think it would be far more alien to us, as I said something which would be very difficult to imagine because it means we are free of time and would be functional in a manner we have never knowingly experienced before. If you can jump around time, what restraints are there on your existence.
Shockingly, this could be the spiritual existence, the proverbial other place some might call heaven, deity not required, but can't be out ruled either.
Shockingly, this could be the spiritual existence, the proverbial other place some might call heaven, deity not required, but can't be out ruled either.
Now move it to PRSI already!
Still think the 2d (
) representation of the tesseract was very poor and is probably my biggest complain - although I prefer not to think too much about that movie altogether. That and the whole LOVE thingy..
Now move it to PRSI already!
Still think the 2d (
No don't move it to PRSI.
Personally, as I can't imagine a better way to show 5d space as I can't really imagine it, to begin with.
And maybe there is an emotional connection that connects us all at a level that is not readily understood beyond attraction.
No don't move it to PRSI.
Personally, as I can't imagine a better way to show 5d space as I can't really imagine it, to begin with.
Oops, sorry thought it'd stand for Pseudo-Realistic Science: Interstellar, my fault.
And you bring up a good point: maybe this idea is sooo deep, it's impossible to show on a 2d screen..even if that's a really, really huge screen. Was it that what you've meant?
Oops, sorry thought it'd stand for Pseudo-Realistic Science: Interstellar, my fault.
And you bring up a good point: maybe this idea is sooo deep, it's impossible to show on a 2d screen..even if that's a really, really huge screen. Was it that what you've meant?
Yes, with something so speculative it boils down to personal preference. But if you are unhappy with Interstellar's depiction, you'd have to be able to imagine something more appealing.
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Yes, with something so speculative it boils down to personal preference. But if are unhappy with Interstelkar's depiction, you'd have to be able to imagine something more appealing.
Alright, "Back to the mancave!"
jk. I was just messing around. Don't think those that liked the movie will change their opinion because of me.
The foliage of Paris in Inception, a movie I almost equally dislike , was incredibly more creative and of higher fidelity imo, and even that got old pretty fast.
Interstellar in comparison is like a prize winning novel versus Gravity, a picture book. Gravity was terrible, and George Clooney ruins every movie in my mind because he plays the exact same suave, haughty and horney jerk that attracts a woman through his sarcasm. The woman is always turned off by his pompous attitude but he wins her over every time with his incredible charm and abilities. Every ef-ing movie - same character, same story.
I lose interest quickly with most all movies, but Interstellar held my attention very well. I'm not sure if was because I was in a funky emotional state of mind going in to watch it, but something REALLY disturbed me when I watched Interstellar. I'm not sure if the whole 'letting life pass you by' theme stuck a cord within me but I got teary eyed (very rare) and felt like I was going to vomit and die. I've never been so affected by a movie. It's impressive to me that they could take the science fiction genre (I don't particularly like sci-fi and usually handles emotion terribly) and successfully turn it into a beautifully romantic and spiritual movie. It's almost a paradox of what a science fiction movie is supposed to be.
It reminds me very much of this bizarre and lengthy Norwegian educational philosophy novel I read years ago, "Sophie's World" by Jostein Gaarder. It starts becomes increasingly interesting/intriguing, then absolutely bizarre to the point of saying (this is too weird the story is ruined), and then ending with an absolutely powerful and spiritually inspiring ending that makes you appreciate the story more than ever.
When Cooper is sent to the alternate dimension within the bookshelf that was the point when I felt like the story became too ridiculous (not to mention an onslaught of paradoxes) almost to the point of turning it off. I too thought the depiction of the Tesseract was a bit stupid and me nauseous, but then again I don't know the first thing about 4-demensional geometry. I stuck with it and eventually became psychologically very connected with his struggle to communicate with Murph and his frustration was making me frustrated.
Again I had a very weird couple days during and before watching this movie so my psyche could have been affected most certainly. It's honestly the first movie I've seen in ages that actually evoked a profound emotional response. There was definitely some corniness to it, but the overall theme, message, and acting was excellent. Matthew McCoughenskdfkj (I'm not going to try) is a brilliant actor, one of my favorite right now, and it's surprising because southern accents drive me nuts.
I lose interest quickly with most all movies, but Interstellar held my attention very well. I'm not sure if was because I was in a funky emotional state of mind going in to watch it, but something REALLY disturbed me when I watched Interstellar. I'm not sure if the whole 'letting life pass you by' theme stuck a cord within me but I got teary eyed (very rare) and felt like I was going to vomit and die. I've never been so affected by a movie. It's impressive to me that they could take the science fiction genre (I don't particularly like sci-fi and usually handles emotion terribly) and successfully turn it into a beautifully romantic and spiritual movie. It's almost a paradox of what a science fiction movie is supposed to be.
It reminds me very much of this bizarre and lengthy Norwegian educational philosophy novel I read years ago, "Sophie's World" by Jostein Gaarder. It starts becomes increasingly interesting/intriguing, then absolutely bizarre to the point of saying (this is too weird the story is ruined), and then ending with an absolutely powerful and spiritually inspiring ending that makes you appreciate the story more than ever.
When Cooper is sent to the alternate dimension within the bookshelf that was the point when I felt like the story became too ridiculous (not to mention an onslaught of paradoxes) almost to the point of turning it off. I too thought the depiction of the Tesseract was a bit stupid and me nauseous, but then again I don't know the first thing about 4-demensional geometry. I stuck with it and eventually became psychologically very connected with his struggle to communicate with Murph and his frustration was making me frustrated.
Again I had a very weird couple days during and before watching this movie so my psyche could have been affected most certainly. It's honestly the first movie I've seen in ages that actually evoked a profound emotional response. There was definitely some corniness to it, but the overall theme, message, and acting was excellent. Matthew McCoughenskdfkj (I'm not going to try) is a brilliant actor, one of my favorite right now, and it's surprising because southern accents drive me nuts.
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Alright, "Back to the mancave!"
jk. I was just messing around. Don't think those that liked the movie will change their opinion because of me.
I like Inception too because it intrigued me!
Agree on Clooney/Gravity, a pretty, visually impressive movie, weak on substance, along with a pretty boy who plays GC in every movie.
Regarding 4 dimensional geometry (I need to look at your link), it's something difficult to imagine, so my opinion is that Interstellar does a good job visually depicting 4D where time can be navigated like a physical dimension. If it's ridiculous, it's because you consider the idea of 4D to be beyond your ability to suspend disbelief. Not a criticism, just an observation. But by your description, it appears you were able to navigate past the premise and stay engaged. I don't see as many paradoxes as you do. The primary paradox is the coordinates of the NASA Base. My brain asks, how did they find the NASA Base the first time to get this ball rolling?! Such is the nature of paradoxes.
I could be mistaken, but I don't consider the information in the wrist watch to be a paradox as much as a straight transfer of information because the search for solution to the mysterious gravity equation had been ongoing before they were aware of the secret NASA base/program, Coop discovered from Dr Mann (as I recall) that quantum data was required from the black hole, to make Plan A viable, which he obtained and sent back to his past. Let's just not dwell on what and how he gathered the required info. Just like Inception (which I like) where the foundation of the story relies on a physics/scifi concept, including vague unnamed technology which must be glossed over/accepted, like building dream architecture, to make such a story work. Fortunately for the sake of intrigue and entertainment, I'm willing to accept such vagueness.
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