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DVD Jon Activates iPhone

jg2000 said:
how about this.....use the iPhone as IT WAS INTENDED TO BE USED. I'm tired of all these people trying to cheat the system, there's nothing wrong with it the way that it is. Stop trying to unlock it, put in different SIM chips, breaking it open to see what's inside, activating with secret phone numbers. if you can't afford it, DON'T BUY IT, if you're not with AT&T , YOUR TOUGH LUCK!
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how about this?

jg2000 said:
i agree with you, but give the thing a chance it's been out 4 days and no updates have been released, people need to chill.
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irrelevant - no updates from apple will unlock the iphone. however, i do agree that some folks, especially newbies and iphone fan boys, need to chill.

rjwill246 said:
jg2000-- I agree with you.

Actually, Compile, your attitude is symptomatic of what has gone wrong in society. Respect for property, in this case IP and R&D, from Apple and ATT is attempting to be been trashed. The fact that this phone is here is due in no small measure to an historic linking of Apple to ATT. That involved a lot of money in R&D and more than a little give-and-take for both parties. So, piss on it... after all, it costs you nothing to break something that is not yours.

Why anyone thinks he/she has a right to buy the iPhone, then violate the very agreements that he/she agreed to is beyond my comprehension. This does NOTHING to make the future better and indeed, it is usually this sort of thing that brings in more and more restrictions. To all of you who don't like the iPhone restrictions and ATT's plan-- DON"T BUT ONE. Not one human is twisting your collective arms to have one, so don't!

If Apple and ATT respond in a draconian fashion-- and ATT has a lot to lose here-- I can't see you guys being the first to apologise to the rest of us who would rather play by the rules we agreed to at the time of purchase and who will be the ones to suffer the consequences...

Either greed, egos, envy or stupidity is driving this and none of them is a virtue.

It would be nice, though, to have the phone recognize when it is in a region outside the US and permit a SIM card to to be installed. I see no reason to agree to ATT's gouging when roaming-- that is not part of the US agreement. I just hope a legal means becomes available soon.
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LOL. i like how you are all holly at the start, and then at the end saying it'd be justified to unlock the iphone since roaming "is not part of the US agreement." :D
 
The unlocking though will only work with GSM SIM cards - right? And the only other service out there would be T-moble - Right? So this only benefits T-Mobile people (and maybe some other smaller providers I've never heard of).

Do I have the above correct? I hope not. :)
 
meagain said:
The unlocking though will only work with GSM SIM cards - right? And the only other service out there would be T-moble - Right? So this only benefits T-Mobile people (and maybe some other smaller providers I've never heard of).

Do I have the above correct? I hope not. :)
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You're hopes are right. That is not the only benefit. I live in Canada and don't want to pay roaming for the phone, so it benefits me as I will be able to use the iPhone with a Canadian provider. Same goes for people in other countries.

P.S. xUKHCx I'm having trouble even finding DVD Jon's token... any thoughts? I PM'd you as well. I've just had the hardest time trying to figure out this activation.
 
BiTurboMunkie said:
how about this?



i like how you are all holly at the start, and then at the end saying it'd be justified to unlock the iphone since roaming "is not part of the US agreement." :D
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Er, if you can read, you will notice that I said that signing up for the iPhone does not include an agreement with ATT to use their system overseas... I did not ask for it to be illegally unlocked-- I said LEGALLY!!! Thus, not holy at all. I just detest cheaters (losers) who want to steal and justify it simply because they want it that way. Read what I wrote again!
 
rjwill246 said:
Er, if you can read, you will notice that I said that signing up for the iPhone does not include an agreement with ATT to use their system overseas... I did not ask for it to be illegally unlocked-- I said LEGALLY!!! Thus, not holy at all. I just detest cheaters (losers) who want to steal and justify it simply because they want it that way. Read what I wrote again!
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er... if you can read, perhaps you would notice that people have already told you that unlocking phones in the US is not illegal.

perhaps your holiness can tell us the difference between unlocking the phone "legally" and "illegally."
 
@ g.c. replied

One slightly odd thing is that the iPhone filesystem is HFS+ case-sensitive.
 
Ugg said:
The fact that this thread hasn't been deleted is proof that Apple expected this and is going to let it pass, for now at least. Apple wants to sell as many iPhones as possible.
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Or maybe the fact that Federal Courts are closed today....
 
edesignuk said:
Or (as has already been said) unlocking mobile phones is not illegal!!!!!

<deep breath>

:rolleyes:
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True. But I was pointing out the folly of saying that the fact that this thread was still open/not deleted was proof that apple wanted the phone unlocked.

Besides, it's not like Apple has ever been shy about throwing lawsuits around.
 
appleii2mac said:
True. But I was pointing out the folly of saying that the fact that this thread was still open/not deleted was proof that apple wanted the phone unlocked.

Besides, it's not like Apple has ever been shy about throwing lawsuits around.
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I think that, If Apple had the way to stop this (i.e. if unlocking the phone was illegal), the usual "cease and desist" letter would have already been out.

If it is true that maybe courts are on vacation today, it is also true that you do not need to go to court to send a "cease adn Desit" letter. You just need a lawyer... and usually you can find a nice lawyer willing to write such a letter for a correct amount of money (even if it is the 4 of july...).

By the way.. I think those guys over there are doing a really nice and Damnly fast job...

I thought it would have taken more time...
 
i didn't mean to get everyone all bent out of shape about this. I realize that hackers are going to hack and that's fine. My point is if they want to hack, hack something like a Zune so it actually works.
 
BiTurboMunkie said:
er... if you can read, perhaps you would notice that people have already told you that unlocking phones in the US is not illegal.

perhaps your holiness can tell us the difference between unlocking the phone "legally" and "illegally."
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True, from Nov 27 2006 it is legal to unlock a phone-- perhaps it would have been better had I said that it is not part of the agreement with ATT. So, technically it is not illegal, but a circumvention of the agreement. You are right. I would not do it as it is not part of my agreement with ATT.

And I agree, nerds are going to do it regardless of the consequences.
 
Ghibli said:
I think that, If Apple had the way to stop this (i.e. if unlocking the phone was illegal), the usual "cease and desist" letter would have already been out.

If it is true that maybe courts are on vacation today, it is also true that you do not need to go to court to send a "cease adn Desit" letter. You just need a lawyer... and usually you can find a nice lawyer willing to write such a letter for a correct amount of money (even if it is the 4 of july...).

By the way.. I think those guys over there are doing a really nice and Damnly fast job...

I thought it would have taken more time...
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It's possible that Apple doesn't have a legal leg to stand on, but that's a far cry from not caring.

Assume the following:
Apple gets $10/month from AT&T for each subscriber.
Over 2 years that's an extra $240 in revenue per iPhone sold.

So if 10% of subscribers decide to hack their phone, that's the equivalent of reducing Apple's projected revenue per phone by ~$25. If they sell 10 million phones/year, that's $250 million/year they're losing.

Will apple make this up in extra volume from people who don't want to switch carriers or whatever? Maybe.


But their agreement with AT&T (and other carriers) may require them to take additional action in order to prevent this sort of thing.

What if apples response it to delay any additional shipments of iPhones until the problem is fixed. Or maybe Leopard is delayed until January while it's fixed. Or the rollout in additional markets is delayed. Maybe the iChat update is delayed while they fix it. Would the "hacking" be worth it if any of those were their response?

Mostly a rhetorical question, and I can't say that I believe any of those responses is likely, but they're certainly possible.
 
rjwill246 said:
perhaps it would have been better had I said that it is not part of the agreement with ATT. So, technically it is not illegal, but a circumvention of the agreement.
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What agreement are you talking about?

Purchasing an iPhone does not require a service contract to be signed, that's optional after the fact. You buy an iPhone at full retail price, you pay your monies and leave the store, the contract of sale is complete. The iPhone is now yours to do with as you wish. You may lick it, smash it, hug it tenderly, hack it or sign up to an AT&T 2yr service agreement. None of these options are a requirement and I'm sure there are many more possibilities. Why don't you try and think of some at home?
 
Ya know, I love Apple as much as the next guy but the exclusive with AT&T and Edge makes it so many folks can't get the iPhone. I have no problem with unlocking to give people choice and avoid this ridiculous lock in. I'd like for anyone who wants an iPhone to be able to have one and use it. As it should be.
 
Finiksa said:
What agreement are you talking about?

Purchasing an iPhone does not require a service contract to be signed, that's optional after the fact. You buy an iPhone at full retail price, you pay your monies and leave the store, the contract of sale is complete. The iPhone is now yours to do with as you wish. You may lick it, smash it, hug it tenderly, hack it or sign up to an AT&T 2yr service agreement. None of these options are a requirement and I'm sure there are many more possibilities. Why don't you try and think of some at home?
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Obviously you don't know what an EULA is so there is no point responding.
 
rjwill246 said:
Oh, silly me!!! Of course, THAT makes it right!!!
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Who said it makes it "right"? They're just working for the consumer.

If you don't want to use the iPhone until it's properly released on other carriers, no one is forcing you to get an AT&T iPhone and hack it.
 
Let me put it this way. I have Cingular right now, if iPhone gets fully unlocked, I will buy the iPhone and stick with Cingular. If it doesn't, I'm getting one of those new phones from Europe and switching to T-Mobile. I want my phones unlocked so I'm not tied down to a carrier or their 2 year contract. 1 Year contract I've done, but 2 year is too excessive.
 
appleii2mac said:
True. But I was pointing out the folly of saying that the fact that this thread was still open/not deleted was proof that apple wanted the phone unlocked.
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Apple may not want the iPhone unlocked. After all the trouble they've gone to with AT&T they probably don't. None of that changes the fact they have no right to tell people what they can and can't do with their iPhones that they have bought and paid for.
 
Update

we can't get the dmg onto the phone yet but we might look at that later today
we can however
do some very interesting things with restored
and we got out of the sandbox
we have made some good progress on the serial side of the device and today will be brutal, we have some crosscompiling to do and some other **** in order to try to get the device in an accessible state
yesterday's work was not for naught but it was a lot of dead ends
I hope today will be better
most of us are sleeping now
expect another update around noonish
 
SIM locks shouldn't be legal

One thing that bothers me about this discussion about unlocking phones is that I think that SIM/Network locks shouldn't be legal to begin with.
Here's a little story:
Joe User buys a phone locked to AT&T in the USA. For the upcoming 24 months he's going to pay US$20 per month for a number of minutes talk time;
Joe goes to Portugal for 6 months;
Joe has a look around on the market and realizes that there are 3 mobile network operators which are licensed to provide GSM services. This is a state awarded license, there will be no other operators in the next 10 years;
Joe needs to talk to people locally and compares the prices of phone calls:
National charges: EUR0.15 per minute;
Roaming charges with AT&T: EUR1 per minute.

Now, Joe could remove his US SIM card and use a new one from a local operator, he'd still pay his US$20 per month as his contract with AT&T dictates and get minutes that he wouldn't use. But no. Since his phone is locked, this consumer cannot choose between AT&T and other supplier, losing some functionality (he cannot use his US number if he chooses another SIM card) but also losing the possibility of paying less for a different service.
Who makes this restriction for the user in Portugal? a company that has a license to operate a GSM network in the USA. How's that legal?

Back to the iPhone case:
If I understand correctly, the user may or may not activate AT&T services (with their monthly fees) after purchasing the iPhone. In that case, user ends up with a wi-fi enabled media player and there is no money to be paid to AT&T or Apple after the purchase.

So, exactly why are people fearing for the long term profitability of Apple in the case that people activate some other SIM card instead of AT&T? It's not like Apple has a right of demanding people to use iPhones to make phone calls.
 
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