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So, exactly why are people fearing for the long term profitability of Apple in the case that people activate some other SIM card instead of AT&T? It's not like Apple has a right of demanding people to use iPhones to make phone calls.

Well, it is a phone after all. And if you're not going to use the iPhone to make phone calls, what's the point of putting other SIM cards in it?
 
AT&T should offer to buy out contracts of other carriers. I know I would switch right now if AT&T would offer to pay my verizon early cancelation penalty fee. It may be expensive for AT&T in the short term, but they would only gain from it in the long run.
 
AT&T should offer to buy out contracts of other carriers. I know I would switch right now if AT&T would offer to pay my verizon early cancelation penalty fee. It may be expensive for AT&T in the short term, but they would only gain from it in the long run.

Why should they do that? People are already switching, and they can't supply enough phones. They can just wait for your current contract to expire. No need to have everyone switch at the same time.
 
Why should they do that? People are already switching, and they can't supply enough phones. They can just wait for your current contract to expire. No need to have everyone switch at the same time.

let's do the math....they pay $150 to end my verizon contract (of which I have a year and a half left).

they (AT&T) have me paying $80 a month * 18 months = $1440 - 150 = $1290 in their pocket that I would have been giving someone else.

And that's JUST me. Let's say they do this for at least 1000 people. Now we're looking at $1,290,000 (roughly of course).

Of course there would have to be stipulations that would ensure they don't loose money (say someone only has 1 month left on their onther plan yet AT&T pays $150 for them...then they loose money).

But you know what...maybe you're right. I really want more space on my iPhone and I might be tempted to get one now, if AT&T offered this option, instead of holding out for the next revision.
 
Paying termination fees was a tactic used years ago - when people actually PAID for their phones. Now days it not benificial since phones have become much more subsidized to the point where many are offered free.
 
let's do the math....they pay $150 to end my verizon contract (of which I have a year and a half left).

they (AT&T) have me paying $80 a month * 18 months = $1440 - 150 = $1290 in their pocket that I would have been giving someone else.

And that's JUST me. Let's say they do this for at least 1000 people. Now we're looking at $1,290,000 (roughly of course).

Of course there would have to be stipulations that would ensure they don't loose money (say someone only has 1 month left on their onther plan yet AT&T pays $150 for them...then they loose money).

But you know what...maybe you're right. I really want more space on my iPhone and I might be tempted to get one now, if AT&T offered this option, instead of holding out for the next revision.

You act like all the money you pay them is pure profit. Like I said, they are having problems keeping up without paying to terminate people's contracts. There is also a shortage of phones.

Feel free to wait. I'll be enjoying my phone for the next 6+ months.

Besides, one of the "game changing" things about the iPhone was that it wouldn't be subsidized by the carrier.
 
Cool

Followed Jon's instructions and got my iPhone activated on my windows machine - but was worried as all my pics, movies, tunes etc were on my mac.

I'd heard people say that it was still ok and just ignore the not activated message then drag music across in itunes. But i wanted to sync movies, contacts etc.

So when i got the not activated screen i just simply hit 'Cancel' It said warning this will stop current activiation so I took a gamble and hit ok. It did not 'deactivate' the phone. So know its happily syncing away putting on my contacts, music, photos, 24 season 6 and a few movies

Now if I can get it working as a phnoe with my UK Sim at some point i'll be well chuffed.
 
Telco Profits

You act like all the money you pay them is pure profit.

That isn't so far from the truth. Each incremental customer has almost no incremental cost to the company. Since they have gotten heavy subsidies from the government over the years to build their networks, the only reason they have the overhead they do is bad management.
 
Cool

Followed Jon's instructions and got my iPhone activated on my windows machine - but was worried as all my pics, movies, tunes etc were on my mac.

I'd heard people say that it was still ok and just ignore the not activated message then drag music across in itunes. But i wanted to sync movies, contacts etc.

So when i got the not activated screen i just simply hit 'Cancel' It said warning this will stop current activiation so I took a gamble and hit ok. It did not 'deactivate' the phone. So know its happily syncing away putting on my contacts, music, photos, 24 season 6 and a few movies

Now if I can get it working as a phnoe with my UK Sim at some point i'll be well chuffed.

How much did you manage to get one for ?
 
That isn't so far from the truth. Each incremental customer has almost no incremental cost to the company. Since they have gotten heavy subsidies from the government over the years to build their networks, the only reason they have the overhead they do is bad management.

There is some incremental cost. I'm not sure exactly how GSM works but with CDMA there is a limit of users on each tower. So as more customers are added in each area your cell company has to add new towers or you won't get a signal since the tower capacity is reached. But you are right that much of their income should be profit, if the companies were managed well.
 
Has anyone managed to get Youtube working under Wifi with your iPhone activated using this method? Thanks.
 
Has anyone managed to get Youtube working under Wifi with your iPhone activated using this method? Thanks.

Nope

Not heard of anyone who can either

Does anyone know if a normal AT&T customer who activated properly can use the application over WiFi when theres no EDGE coverage?
 
Does anyone know if a normal AT&T customer who activated properly can use the application over WiFi when theres no EDGE coverage?

You mean YouTube over WiFi? Ya, works fine under normal activation. I dont see why it would not activating the other way too. Its just another "app" like the widgets.
 
I've had the same problem with YouTube. Not too important, as I hate that site anyway. Oh, and any way to have iPhone NOT sync with iTunes EVERY TIME I PLUG IT INTO MY COMPUTER? It deletes what's no longer on my iMac on itself. I kind of just want to have it plugged in to charge and don't want all my music on my iMac at once. That's what my Nano (and supposedly my iPhone) are for! Oh, and hurry it up with that unlocking of the SIM.* I need to wow my friends with a Verizon-based iPhone. :cool:

*All readers must realize that this is, in all honesty, a joking comment. Those programmers working tirelessly to unlock the iPhone are doing their best, we both know that. It will be unlocked when it's unlocked. My guess? Before the month is out.
 
I've had the same problem with YouTube. Not too important, as I hate that site anyway. Oh, and any way to have iPhone NOT sync with iTunes EVERY TIME I PLUG IT INTO MY COMPUTER? It deletes what's no longer on my iMac on itself. I kind of just want to have it plugged in to charge and don't want all my music on my iMac at once. That's what my Nano (and supposedly my iPhone) are for! Oh, and hurry it up with that unlocking of the SIM.* I need to wow my friends with a Verizon-based iPhone. :cool:

*All readers must realize that this is, in all honesty, a joking comment. Those programmers working tirelessly to unlock the iPhone are doing their best, we both know that. It will be unlocked when it's unlocked. My guess? Before the month is out.

There is a tick box to automatically sync on main iphone page in itunes - just untick it
 
...and in doing so, you delete all music on your iPhone. No. The opposite of what I want. Also, the same for pictures, but in this case I don't want the pictures on my iPhone at all. Could someone assist me on the proper way to cheat the system?

Edit: Got what I wanted with photos. Sorry, I'm better than I thought I was... So music-wise, why can't we just drag and drop without synching?
 
Oh, and hurry it up with that unlocking of the SIM.* I need to wow my friends with a Verizon-based iPhone. :cool:

Verizon? They don't work on GSM technology.. so they don't use SIM cards. An unlocked iPhone would only work with Cingular, T-Mobile in the US, and other GSM providers.. it won't work with sprint or verizon.
 
So how hard is it to modify this? Forgive my lack of phone knowledge, but until I won my iPhone I couldn't have cared less about how my cell worked. Are these technologies hopelessly incompatible or has someone managed to write Verizon tech to a SIM card ever? If the former is the case, then I suppose I'll be keeping my old phone for longer than I thought...
 
So how hard is it to modify this?
Working on Verizon's network would require changing the radio equipment inside the phone, so we would need to replace the entire circuit board.

Forgive my lack of phone knowledge, but until I won my iPhone I couldn't have cared less about how my cell worked. Are these technologies hopelessly incompatible
Yes.
...or has someone managed to write Verizon tech to a SIM card ever?
You're comparing Apples and Oranges (or Lemons since we're talking about Verizon). CDMA does not use SIM cards at all and does not support them at all, and as I said above CDMA uses a different radio than GSM. What keeps the iPhone off T-Mobile is politics. What keeps the iPhone off Verizon is that the current iPhone model cannot speak to a CDMA (Verizon, Sprint, Alltel) network.
 
Has anyone that's used the DVD Jon activation hack upgraded their iPhone's software to 1.01, and then 1.02?

If so, any problems, and were you forced to restore? If so, did the hack work again after the upgrade(s)?
 
Working on Verizon's network would require changing the radio equipment inside the phone, so we would need to replace the entire circuit board.


Yes.

You're comparing Apples and Oranges (or Lemons since we're talking about Verizon). CDMA does not use SIM cards at all and does not support them at all, and as I said above CDMA uses a different radio than GSM. What keeps the iPhone off T-Mobile is politics. What keeps the iPhone off Verizon is that the current iPhone model cannot speak to a CDMA (Verizon, Sprint, Alltel) network.
Well technically there is a version of SIM for CDMA it is called RUIM. Now the real question is who is going to be the first to implement it.
 
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