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Anyone else think the "future product transition" is actually the elimination of the "Pro" moniker?

With aluminum, LED, and (presumably) multitouch on the 13" Macbook there is very little difference between the 15" and 17" MBP except for a GPU. And the next iteration of Intel's integrated graphics are pretty good.

I predict there will just be a 13", 15" and 17" Macbook. That simplifies things and makes room for a whole new line, say "Touch", for the new Macbook tablets.

Without a dedicated GPU, I'll buy a refurb and skip this revision. Integrated graphics simply aren't anywhere near the same class as dedicated chips.

And it would make *no* sense to do this when Apple's building a new API to allow programs to access the GPU chips (the Mac Pro doesn't sell enough to make the effort worthwhile).
 
Better to Worse

iBook G4 > MacBook > PowerBook G4 > Macbook Pro

On the fringes you're not going to get a signal on Intel hardware. My Intel iMac was pathetic compared to my iMac G5.

Well that's part of my argument - how often are you on the fringes? I can understand if the Wi-Fi you're trying to hop on is under powered and you're always on the fringe but how often does that happen? And what's to keep you from sitting closer to the source?
 
By your logic there would be no reason for a person to use a laptop on a plane since they aren't using Wi-Fi. There's way more reasons than just being able to surf the web at the library to buy a laptop. So it's your anecdotal evidence vs my anecdotal evidence - where does that leave us?

Perhaps your university needs to give their Wi-Fi a little more juice, when I was at MY University I never had any problems.

That wasn't my point at all. Defend it all you want, but the fact remains the aluminum Pro doesn't have as good range as the Macbook. It really isn't such a big deal for most people though, but for some it is.

My University has a great wifi network. Plenty of "juice." Thanks for your concern though. None needed though.
 
Most people buy laptops for their portability which means they take them away from their houses/apts. Pure common sense. Maybe you need some. I know a number of people at my University and work who have Pro's and have connection problems while I'm blazing away with no problems. This has been a common problem. Any search on any Mac site indicates that.

I get great reception on my Verizion wireless card - let's me work darn near anywhere (and not pay for temporary access at a single hotspot, or risk eavesdropping on a public connection). Relying on wi-fi for remote access is always a hit or miss proposition.
 
you mean the best advertised.... there are a lot of other music players that sound better....

"Sound better" means good headphones and good bit rate..everything else is close to irrelevant.

iPods are supreme in a market that already existed but whose demand Apple reinvented for the whole world, since every other player was a crap and continues to be a crap to this day.
 
I've been so skeptical these days about all things Apple, I guess it's the lack of Steve's distortion field in the last few events... Anyway, I digress:

1) But still lame drives that won't burn DVDs on the entry level machine

2) Crappy onboard graphics card


So I might just wait until January to get the new MBPs...

Btw, by "agressive pricing" I think they mean they'll cut like US$100 from the price, and will get all fanboys shouting how good Steve is to the poor mortals.

$100 off sounds GREAT?! You would rather pay $100 more? I don't get it. What's bad about $100 off. 1400 instead of 1500 for the model I want sounds great. I hope they still have blackbooks in aluminum though...:confused:
 
That's good for you, but most people I know use wireless in a lot more places than just home. Speak for yourself and save us from the "overwhelming majority" because many use wireless everywhere they go. I have had a Pro and the wireless wasn't nearly as good as the Macbook I have.
I travel and on a cruise in port in PR I can pick up Wi Fi from the casino on land, never going to happen with my MBP.:(
 
I get great reception on my Verizion wireless card - let's me work darn near anywhere (and not pay for temporary access at a single hotspot, or risk eavesdropping on a public connection). Relying on wi-fi for remote access is always a hit or miss proposition.


Good for you, but we aren't talking about that.
 
I want a new MBP. Though if they'd offer a 15" MB with FW800 and good graphics i'd be tempted.
 
What about Air?!

What bugs me about rumors of a thin aluminum Macbook is that the Air IS a thin, aluminum Macbook. What's the deal? I wonder if there is any point in selling the Air if the Macbook gets much thinner, gets aluminum and has an LED backlit display.
 
Anyone else get the feeling we've seen the last of Firewire - 400 or 800 - on the MacBook line?

No - there's too many digital cameras that are FW400.

FW800 though, I could see them dumping that and putting in an eSata port on the pro (not on the MB).

I just hope you don't have to buy one of the overly large 17" models to get the good GPU/HD options.
 
It seems odd that they would be shipping a month before release. How much can we rely on the source?

They would probably be shipping stock to the stores, not individual units to the consumer. On top of that, we're probably not talking about Fed Ex here, we're probably talking about container ships. :)

I've said this before and nobody bothered to reply but what's the point of better reception if you're never far from the base station anyway? I mean, I'd say the overwhelming majority of people use Wi-Fi in their house. You'd be hard pressed to find any laptop that wouldn't be able to get at 3 "bars" even if you house is fairly large. I just don't see the big deal - I'm never really at a point where I'm thinking "oh man, I wonder if I can get free wi-fi from that hotel over there, dang, bummer." Does that really happen that often?

Go buy yourself an iPod Touch, and in three months you and I will be swapping specs for Wifi-swiping Pringles Cantennaes.
 
$100 off sounds GREAT?! You would rather pay $100 more? I don't get it. What's bad about $100 off. 1400 instead of 1500 for the model I want sounds great. I hope they still have blackbooks in aluminum though...:confused:

I agree that they probably will only cut them $100, and that that's a nice discount - but the poster you quoted is right: 75% of the people on this forum will be complaining that $100 isn't "aggressive" enough and that they've been misled.
 
Aggressive Price for me is more than $200 to $300 cut to start.

Hopes are getting far too high for possible price cuts.

Apple has stated that it expects profit margins to fall from 34.8% to 31.5% in the near future, and down to around 30% next year.

That may give us some modest price cuts, but it certainly doesn't translate into these huge price cuts that some are hoping for!
 
im not trying to be pessimistic or anything but if macbooks were to come out, "TOMMOROW" then wouldnt we have seen way more reliable sources making these claims?

i guess what i mean is, usually when lets say, a new ipod is coming out, we get a whole buncha rumors leading up to that point

but what we have hear is just one rumor..
of course however this has been going on since may..etc for a long time but stil...
 
That wasn't my point at all. Defend it all you want, but the fact remains the aluminum Pro doesn't have as good range as the Macbook. It really isn't such a big deal for most people though, but for some it is.

My University has a great wifi network. Plenty of "juice." Thanks for your concern though. None needed though.

And that was exactly my point - for most people it isn't a big deal.

Also, I'd say if all your MBP buddies are having problems getting on then the network isn't that good (that's not meant as some kind of insult, unless you take offense to your universities Wi-Fi I suppose).
 
Aluminum crumples

Show of hands... how many people have an aluminum PowerBook or MacBook Pro, and how many of those have a dent in a corner and/or a crumpled bit around the ports?

Now how many people have a plastic iBook or MacBook with any sort of case damage?

I used to work in an all-Mac company, and most, yes most, of our aluminum laptops got damaged by the users. Even relatively careful users would eventually bump it off a table or plonk down a backpack that it was in.

We never had a single plastic iBook/MacBook with case damage. After a while, we stopped buying aluminum 'books altogether, unless the user absolutely demanded it. And all of those got damaged.
 
And that was exactly my point - for most people it isn't a big deal.

Also, I'd say if all your MBP buddies are having problems getting on then the network isn't that good (that's not meant as some kind of insult, unless you take offense to your universities Wi-Fi I suppose).


For those who need it, it is a big deal. Doesn't matter we won't convince the other. Not worth it.
 
im not trying to be pessimistic or anything but if macbooks were to come out, "TOMMOROW" then wouldnt we have seen way more reliable sources making these claims?
I think you are realistic. I think also that there would be more "movement" if it was for tomorrow.
 
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