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...checked each one out for what panel was in them. The sales guy at the store did not even know how to do this which surprised me.

So... how did you check for which panel was in them? Is this something that you can check on the box before opening or something that has to be checked through "About this Mac" software after purchasing, unboxing, initial configuration, etc.?

Thanks.
 
So... how did you check for which panel was in them? Is this something that you can check on the box before opening or something that has to be checked through "About this Mac" software after purchasing, unboxing, initial configuration, etc.?

Thanks.

Well to check the panel model you go to System Preferences -> Displays -> Color Tab -> Open Profile Button -> Highlight line 13 MMOD in the list box and it will display the panel manufacturer and model code below.

No they will not let you open the box before you buy to check the machine. I asked that over and over. They said if you buy it and open it there and it has defects you can talk to the manager and they MIGHT swap it but really tried pushing the whole genius appointment thing first. BS that is for an expensive machine out of the box but if they do swap it then no big deal unless all their inventory is bad.
 
I guess I got lucky?? My new mbp's screens just so damn vibrant and gorgeous and I'm very very anal about displays.

I've been through 12x 15" 2007 just due to the yellow tint issue and been through lg,samsung, chi mei, auo..

And been through 8x early 2008 15" mbp models.
 
I guess I got lucky?? My new mbp's screens just so damn vibrant and gorgeous and I'm very very anal about displays.

I've been through 12x 15" 2007 just due to the yellow tint issue and been through lg,samsung, chi mei, auo..

And been through 8x early 2008 15" mbp models.

The ones I've seen in the store were beautiful, evenly illuminated, whites were white, good contrast, good viewing angle, no hues etc.. Looked much better than anything I've seen before and I've been through almost as many as you mainly because of display issues...
 
I ended up comparing mine to most of the MBPs at the Apple store last night and I concluded that even though my 9C85 was somewhat bluish and "cool", all of the LG panels had a stronger bluish tint to them, even when sitting next to mine. And yes, images on mine looked a little sharper and the contrast seemed a bit better, with slightly more vivid colors.

The one other laptop with the 9C85 panel had comparable image quality to mine. In the end I wasn't too impressed with the LG panels, and there was no significant difference to merit the hassle of exchanging mine. Pretty much all the panels had uneven backlight (in various ways) so I decided to stay with mine, for fear of getting bigger problems in a replacement laptop. :D

Sounds like the same thing I would do as well if it were me, stay with one you have. Personally I thought both panels were really nice comparatively to other laptops in general and while the LG panel to me is very nice, there is something about the 9C85 that is just a hair nicer in reference to the attributes already discussed. You apparently saw the same as I did in the store. I really like the 9C85 panel and I actually have the same panel in my Dell work laptop and I was very impressed with it. Especially from Dell who historically used what appeared to be the worst screens in the industry for years.

If I were buying a new MBP my desire would be to get one of the 9C85 panels in mine then the LG and hopefully nothing else or dead pixels etc. So to me it sounds like you got what I would consider a first pick panel. And while LG is really nice stuff IMO, In fact I would not be surprised if down the road your 9C85 panel becomes the brand of choice for most people.

During the SR release my I got mine, the screen lottery thing was the biggest issue being reported at the time. I was nervous waiting for mine to arrive when I read all the posts on the poor screens. I was very lucky because I actually received the less desired Samsung panel, but even still mine was perfect.

Enjoy the machine it sounds like it is a nice one and that you made out in the new machine screen lottery. :)

BTW.. I am considering selling my SR MBP which is in absolutely pristine condition, you would never know it was just taken out of the box as brand new, but I don't have a clue as to what its value is on todays market because of both the new design release and the infamous Nvidia GPU fiasco. Any ideas as to what a fair market price for a 15" MBP SR 2.4, 4GB, 160 with approx 1.5 years of Applecare left on it would be? I asked the guys at the Apple store and they for some reason won't say anything about it. Like some kind of policy or something and when I look on the net I see such a range of asking prices it is hard to determine what is a fair price. Keep in mind this machine is perfect and never had a single issue since new. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks...
 
Well to check the panel model you go to System Preferences -> Displays -> Color Tab -> Open Profile Button -> Highlight line 13 MMOD in the list box and it will display the panel manufacturer and model code below.

Great. I just went to the Apple Store armed with this knowledge to see if I could tell the difference. They had 6 MBPs on display. Five of them had the 9C85 panel and one had the 9C84 panel. I honestly could not tell much difference. I agree with Atomic Ed: both are very nice displays. If I was forced to pick, I guess I would go with the 9C85, but then again, if I didn't know how to check, I don't know if I would be able to pick out the difference. I wish I could see one of the others to see how much of a difference there was, but then again, perhaps Apple is mostly using these '84s and '85s, which would be great as I would be very happy with either. (just waiting for either the mini-displayport to displayport adapter or mini-displayport to dual-link DVI adapter before I pull the trigger)
 
I have to beg to differ. Before buying the new mbp I checked the display mbp and found the 9c84 to be more vivid and colorful.

I compared it to the 9c85 and thought the 9c85 has too much overall white in it's colors and looked a bit washed out.

And after reading this thread, I see why because even the previous gen mbp with lg screens looked washed out as well.

I'm so glad I got the 9c84 LCD.

Can anyone tell what 9c84 manufacture is?
 
I can't buy that. Apple has a published specification and a list of qualified vendors to provide products against that specification. If a vendor isn't providing product that meets their signed quality agreement then they are going to be looking for new customers.

It doesn't come down solely to the price of the components, and also takes into account the failure rate of the parts being supplied, the ability of the supplier to meet Apple's capacity requirements, and the relationship between the vendor and Apple.

The manufacturing engineer running the line can shut it down in a minute if he feels that he's shipping bad product, and Apple's got a system in place to test a statistically valid amount of product both during the assembly process and before it leaves the factory. Customer complaints are measured and tracked based on feedback to Apple's help line, customer returns, and forums like this one and people are held accountable and lose their jobs if the issues rise above a specific threshold.

Like I said, I work in a high-end manufacturing environment, and see these issues daily.

It has been know for quite a while that Apple using a few different sources for there screens and other components. To not do it this way would mean more line shut downs waiting for parts. It does not mean that there is a 50% failure rate. It does not even mean that 50% of the screens differ. Ideal they should be impossible to tell the difference, but the different manufacturing it is inevitable the there will be a difference now and again, and that is not saying the the difference is bad. I would be curious to see the screen part numbers on these machine the OP was talking about. I do think some of it just happens to be people messing around.

Until recently I worked in the semiconductor industry and there was a well known client that only purchased through us. We had a problem in the manufacturing process that was able to pass through all of our testing and it shut down their line for almost a month. I can not mention who they are because even though I don't work there anymore I am still under the company confidential clause, but they are a well known tech name. When possible companies will have a few different vendors to prevent shut downs.
 
The 9C84 is reported to be, though I don't believe it's confirmed, the LG panel.

I haven't seen the LG's in person. I was at the Apple store yesterday picking up a case and a mouse, but didn't take the time to check out the laptops. As for mine, I'm happy/content with it.

The screen is a 9C85, the Chi Mei screen. Just gorgeous: I calibrated the colors yesterday and now they just pop. There is definite, but hardly excessive, yellowing from a 45 degree+ angle, and mine has the spotlights along the bottom ranging from left to right. As I reported in another thread they're only visible when the screen is black but lit, and only slightly even then. Still: No dead pixels, brilliant display, functions the way I need it to, and couldn't be happier. :)
 
one thing to note is that my new Mbps screen's viewing angle is much improved as to the last gen mbp. These new screens are gorgeous. I'm selling my 23" cinema displY and will be using the mbp byitself.
 

Hmm are you sure? Other people have said that the 9c85 were the lg.

If the 9c84 are the lg screen WOW lg sure have come around because I didn't even need to calibrate the screen and the colors pop like crazy and ic no yellowing whatsoever, whites look all extremely white and blacks look wickedly black.

The screen reminds me of the 17" hi res mbp screens which were lg as well. And I only thought the 17" hi res mbp with lg looked the best as to the 15"
 
Hmm are you sure? Other people have said that the 9c85 were the lg.

The manufacturer code for the 9C84 is LP154WP3 (you can use software to extract it). Look at the LG-Phillips product chart below.


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The manufacturer code for the 9C84 is LP154WP3 (you can use software to extract it). Look at the LG-Phillips product chart below.


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Yea I just found out from other threads that the 9c84 is the LG and everyone finds them much more vivid than the 9c85! =D

Alot of people are complaining that the new chi mei is not as good as the previous gen (which I thought chi mei was great) and it still has a slight yellowish tinge?!?
 
Is it "just" the MBP's that are affected but different panels, or is it the same story with the MB?

Well keep in mind that the MB is using a 13.3" display panel so they are not going to be the same models as found in the MBPs. However as Apple is clearly using this "pool of parts" tactic, it would be safe to assume they will do this on every model they sell. You can validate this assumption by checking the MBs at the store the same way and look at the codes for each machine. I looked at one of the MB codes while I was there the other day and it was a different MFG and Model but I didn't look at the other MBs to see how many codes they contained between each other as I had no real interest in a machine with that small of a display. With my needs it would be useless. So check it out and see but I would bet money there will be around three different vendors and models within them. Especially since the MB volumes are much larger than the MBPs are.
 
It has been know for quite a while that Apple using a few different sources for there screens and other components. To not do it this way would mean more line shut downs waiting for parts. It does not mean that there is a 50% failure rate. It does not even mean that 50% of the screens differ. Ideal they should be impossible to tell the difference, but the different manufacturing it is inevitable the there will be a difference now and again, and that is not saying the the difference is bad. I would be curious to see the screen part numbers on these machine the OP was talking about. I do think some of it just happens to be people messing around.

Until recently I worked in the semiconductor industry and there was a well known client that only purchased through us. We had a problem in the manufacturing process that was able to pass through all of our testing and it shut down their line for almost a month. I can not mention who they are because even though I don't work there anymore I am still under the company confidential clause, but they are a well known tech name. When possible companies will have a few different vendors to prevent shut downs.

Your correct with what your saying in the sense that having only one vendor could cause manufacturing delays. However, with Just In Time manufacturing that has always been an issue because no one then wants to inventory anything. But for years there have been many Lean Manufacturing techniques available that could provide for a cost effective and less risky means to maintain a specific vendor for a particular panel. Like customer KanBan on the floor along with point of use inventory. If your familiar with these concepts then you know what I am talking about and for those who are not, this is where the vendor agrees with the manufacturer to continually supply a buffer of a part on the floor, such as the lcd, and when the KanBan level reaches the set threshold minimum quantity, the vendor replenishes it. Therefore always ensuring enough inventory to keep manufacturing flowing. This also provides other benefits such as better pricing due to long term larger quantities and allows the vendor to "tool up" for larger runs and then feed them to the KanBans within a set schedule.

Now Apple could easily work out a KanBan agreement with some of these panel manufacturers if they wanted to maintain a single model screen and ensure consistency in their end products, then have a backup vendor only as contingency with its own Kanban to ensure product is always available in the event of an emergency. Then the end users would only see a different vendor screen in their MBP in very small limited instances. only when there is a rare issue with the primary chosen vendors product.

I believe the reason Apple and other manufacturers don't use these techniques is because they truly want to the manufacturing to flow constantly of course, but they also have a primary objective of LOWEST COST vendor products. This means that having multiple vendors and using them against each other in an effort to win Apple's business in larger quantities, it usually ends up in a mini bid war where the vendors try to underbid each other resulting in lower cost to Apple.

This to me is an archaic and non-value-added practice to what should be the most important part of Apple's success, THEIR CUSTOMERS. But alas, nowadays it isn't customer who matter one bit, only stockholders.

Please don't get me wrong and think I am picking on Apple because I am not. I actually really come to love the company in many ways. They are practicing what the majority of manufacturers out there do, I just wish they would see the real value in the Lean Manufacturing approaches that truly work and every wins.

BTW.. I think the whole 50% screen thing mentioned by the original poster has been mis-interpreted along the way. It is my belief he meant that basically half the screen he was seeing were different from each other in image quality. Not that they were defective as would be dead pixes, vertical lines, etc. To me I understood it that way anyhow and I also would expect it when at least three different vendor LCD panel designs are being used in the same MBP model. There is going to be a difference as you know.

Probably the best thing people looking to buy a new machine can do is to go into the Apple Stores or call Apple sales and ask how they can ensure they can buy a machine with the desired lcd model. Of course Apple can't really accommodate this but they will at least be hearing the voice of the customer and realize that panel "A" or "B" is most desirable to their customers and it may just help Apple try a little harder in dealing with that particular vendor as a preference. Anyway just a thought. Good luck to all in the great screen lottery :)
 
Well keep in mind that the MB is using a 13.3" display panel so they are not going to be the same models as found in the MBPs. However as Apple is clearly using this "pool of parts" tactic, it would be safe to assume they will do this on every model they sell. You can validate this assumption by checking the MBs at the store the same way and look at the codes for each machine. I looked at one of the MB codes while I was there the other day and it was a different MFG and Model but I didn't look at the other MBs to see how many codes they contained between each other as I had no real interest in a machine with that small of a display. With my needs it would be useless. So check it out and see but I would bet money there will be around three different vendors and models within them. Especially since the MB volumes are much larger than the MBPs are.

Yeah I spend a few hours reading in the "right forum" (MacBook instead of MacBook Pro) here in MacRumors, which helped a bit :)

But... is there a number on the computer itself, that I can use to determin which screen-code the screen has?
 
Yeah I spend a few hours reading in the "right forum" (MacBook instead of MacBook Pro) here in MacRumors, which helped a bit :)

But... is there a number on the computer itself, that I can use to determin which screen-code the screen has?

Sure as I said above just do this:

Well to check the panel model you go to System Preferences -> Displays -> Color Tab -> Open Profile Button -> Highlight line 13 MMOD in the list box and it will display the panel manufacturer and model code below.
 
But... is there a number on the computer itself, that I can use to determin which screen-code the screen has?

I asked this question (look up on this page)... as far as anyone can tell, the only way to access this information is via software. There doesn't seem to be any serial number or such thing that can determine the display panel that you will get. You'll only know after booting it up and checking via the method that Atomic Ed mentioned.
 
I asked this question (look up on this page)... as far as anyone can tell, the only way to access this information is via software. There doesn't seem to be any serial number or such thing that can determine the display panel that you will get. You'll only know after booting it up and checking via the method that Atomic Ed mentioned.

Thats correct and is what the Apple store people confirmed when I asked them this question. They said booting and doing as I said is the only way for them to tell what panel is in what machine.
 
Some people say 3 out of 6, others 1 out of 2, I happen to believe its more like 5 out of 10 :D
 
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