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Okay, here is my update doing a "2G only" day/s

Here is my update from the 2G data only test.

If you recall the details above, I have done three tests now.

Full day, full data 3g, LBS on, etc.
Full day, push mobileme off,
Full day(s) 2G data only, but with WIFI on, no LBS, no mobileme push, but YAHOO PUSH on.

I did a lot of stuff, emails, texts, wifi web browsing, downloading applications, etc.

Here are the results.
 

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Okay, so today I did the final test (alrightly, one more test coming)

This test was 3G ON all day, WIFI ON at work and home, and I turned off the final PUSH email account, my yahoo account.

I used the phone quite a bit, 40 minutes calling, about 15 sms, a fair amount of web browsing, etc. Went through towns, many with 2G, most with 3G.

And, the phone lasted at LEAST the whole day, it is still running this AM now after 24 hours on.

My final test, will be to now keep the PUSH off, and go back to 2G. Since, if that last PUSH account was making an issue, then doing 2G should get me even MORE than the 36 hours I got a couple days ago.
 

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Any problems on my end?

Usage- 1 hour, 11 minutes
Stand by- 2 Hours, 37 Minutes

Push on
Email check manually
3g on
Wifi off
20 sms
2 emails
alot of i'ms


And Im at 84%

Is this a cause for concern? Should I get on the phone with apple?
 
Here's where mine was last night:

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I did plug it in to sync some songs over to it but it was only for a couple of minutes.
 
I forgot to mention something weird happened this morning. I followed my usual morning procedure and when I left for work my iPhone was already at 99%. Most days it stays at 100% until after I've been at work for a while.
I listened to a podcast on the way and after I was there for a bit I noticed it had already dropped to 96%! This is probably 30 minutes have it had been taken off the charger. So I figured something was running in the background and I restarted the phone. When it came back on it was at 98% again and now it's at 97% (about 90 minutes later - mostly standby).

Also, a few times now I have noticed that my Bluetooth headset is not connected to the phone even though I had it connected before. When I go to the Bluetooth settings in the phone it won't connect and just shows the spinning thing as it's trying. I have to power cycle the headset to get it to connect. If this is happening, I assume it would drain the battery trying to reconnect, right? This never happened on my 2G iPhone. Could be something wrong with the headset but I don't think so.
 
After a week of ownership i had a fully or near fully charged iPhone 3GS.

yesterday i went out later afternoon and in the space of 2 hours it wouldn't start. Got home plugged it in and it showed the battery 'in the red'. Fully charged it again and made sure it was fully charged before bed at 11pm. Got up at 7:30 to find the same thing.

Put it in to charge and when it booted it showed 47% battery.

Something not right so off to Apple store to swap it out i think this am.

I have no apps with push notification apart from Mobile Me enabled. Location services switched off. The battery in fact surpassed all my expectations in the first few days. I have no apps or changes over my 3G which would make it through the night quite happily.

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Edit

Took it into the Genius Bar - 10 minutes later walked out with a new one - bloke there saying that yes the battery was discharging far too quickly.
 
Actually the battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge. Frequent full discharges should be avoided when possible. Instead, charge the battery more often. There is no concern of memory when applying unscheduled charges.

This is partly true. The portions of the battery that go unused for long periods of time will lose their ability to discharge at all so it is recommended to occasionally use nearly the entirely battery (usually down to 8-10% is enough to touch all cells)

Apple's own website suggests once per month. Otherwise it is best to charge whenever it's convenient. I charge at my desk at home, at my side table, in my car, and at my desk at work. Even when I'm out for long periods of time I've never had my phone go under 40% and I use it quite a lot.

Another thing to consider is that these batteries actually charge better over time, after a few complete cycles.

Another factor to remember is that battery life remaining is an estimate that is calibrated over time and the charge remaining as the voltage in the battery decreases over time will vary from battery to battery, this is why calibration is necessary, the chip in the battery will remember certain intervals that lasted longer than others and compensate in percentage estimates.

Another factor about lithium ION batteries such as those in the iPhone is that they have two phase batteries to support quick charge, this results in a portion of the battery discharging more quickly than the rest (and also takes a charge faster).

Another thing to consider is that high temperatures reduce charge retention.

Another thing to consider is certain conditions such as low signal strength drastically boost the power gain on the antenna and dramatically lower power. Also with 3G antennas other conditions can lead to additional reassembly processing and thus more power.

Brightness is a key factor in battery life.

The fact of the matter is, a phone like the iPhone, particularly the 3G S with the additional horsepower it's packing, even lasting more than two hours of casual use is amazing. At this point almost all casual and many professional tasks of mine are now done almost solely on the iPhone and my phone will easily get to 5 hours of usage without using 60% of the charge.

The best way for you to determine if you have battery problems is to shut off every radio, go into airplane mode, disable all possible features and internet, etc. Charge to full, choose a single song in iPod and set it to repeat. Time how long it takes to run out your battery (note this could take 20+ hours if estimates are met).

This demonstrates regular constant load on the battery which should eliminate spike loads and excess heat from your tests. You should expect quite a long playtime and probably what apple's numbers say with the setup I specified. If you are getting quite a lot less playtime (less than half the published estimate) then you should take your phone in to a Genius or call Apple for support.
 
One thing I noticed with my new 3GS: I had Wifi on, because I'm spending most of my time at the university at the moment and Wifi disconnects, it you are on standby; you can see it coming back a few seconds after waking it. A few times now however, I noticed that the Wifi seemed to b still on after waking it up. I don't know why this is, but I think it drains the battery a lot. What do you think? Could this be a bug in 3.0?
 
This is partly true. The portions of the battery that go unused for long periods of time will lose their ability to discharge at all so it is recommended to occasionally use nearly the entirely battery (usually down to 8-10% is enough to touch all cells)

Apple's own website suggests once per month. Otherwise it is best to charge whenever it's convenient. I charge at my desk at home, at my side table, in my car, and at my desk at work. Even when I'm out for long periods of time I've never had my phone go under 40% and I use it quite a lot.

Can you, or someone else, provide a link to this? I was just reading Apples pages on batteries and I did not see that mentioned. I probably missed it.

Thanks.
 
Can anyone that has brought their 3gs to an apple store explain the way they diagnos whether your battery is good or not. Do the just plug it in and check with some program or is it more based on what you tell them about your usage/experience. Is it worth bringing it in just to have them check it out?
 
Can you, or someone else, provide a link to this? I was just reading Apples pages on batteries and I did not see that mentioned. I probably missed it.
They're probably talking about the bottom of this page:


However, some of the comments in this thread are wrong (not the Apple page). See the wikipedia article (if you don't want to believe wikipedia, read the references in the article):


Key points:
  • Lithium ion batteries don't suffer from any "memory effects", like older batteries. The battery itself doesn't need a deep discharge and a recharge.
  • However, the battery meter circuitry (NOT the battery) does need periodic recalibration, to properly read the battery level. Over time, without recalibration, the incorrect battery readings can appear to be a "memory effect" to a user.
  • While frequent deep discharges aren't good for the battery, the battery meter circuitry does need an occasional deep discharge for recalibration purposes (so that the battery meter gives you correct readings). This is likely the reason for Apple's "once per month" recommendation.
  • Lithium ion batteries are supposed to have protective circuitry that protects against a true deep discharge. What appears to you as a "deep discharge", is actually a partial discharge to the battery (but to a low level). The iPhone should shut off completely to prevent any real damage to the battery.
  • Heat and time are significant causes of loss of battery capacity (yes, time). Current batteries start to (slowly) degrade as soon as they are made.
 
There is something definitely wrong with the 3Gs battery life - at least for me. I had a 3G for a year. Battery would consistently last at least a full day. I would take it off the charger in the morn and by the time I went to bed at night around 1 or 2, it would be in the red - usually between 10% and 20%. That worked fine for me as it would at least last an entire day. Upgraded to the 3Gs on Saturday and it has not even lasted a half day since I've owned it. I did a restore from my 3G backup so none of the settings should have changed but here is what I'm running:

1) Brightness at around 15%,
2) Bluetooth on,
3) Location services off,
4) 3G on,
5) Fetch data every 15 minutes.

Exact same settings I used for the last year with my old 3G. I have run it all the way down and then charged all the way back up 3 or 4 times now but the battery still sucks. As a perfect example, I took the phone off the charger tonight at 11:00 and have not used it at all other than to update 2 apps. Getting ready to turn in and the battery meter says 90%. In 2 hours of standby, 10% of the battery was used! The other day, I charged it all the way up before I went to bed, took it off the charger, obviously didn't use anything over night and woke up to 50% charge. How is this even possible? Don't think any apps are still running (i.e. not closed down properly). Do I just have a defective unit? Does 3.0 burn through battery faster? I think I'm going to have to return this as half day battery life just won't cut it. This blows.

How many email accounts do you have setup on your iPhone? I ask this because over 2 hours, you would have checked for, plus downloaded any messages 8 times and that will be multiplied by the number of email accounts you have. You also have bluetooth on which drains the battery to some extent. Depending on the number of mail accounts you have on your iPhone I wouldn't be totally surprised at a 10% loss over 2 hours.
Also, I never trust the 100% mark, I always charge for 1-2 hours beyond it reaching the full mark. Since the battery may not be perfectly calibrated at all times, the charge indicator may show full when it really isn't. I understand that you might really have a bad battery but can you tell us how many email accounts you have on your iPhone and how long after reaching 100% did you take it off of the charger?
 
My batt. on my phone also dies very very quick. Was listening to liveatc for about 10 minutes i went from 100% to 80% =(
 
New Test I'm running...

Ok, I'm at 100%, charged for approx 2 hours beyond getting to 100%.

Bluetooth-off,
Wifi-off,
Push-off
2 mail accts set to fetch hourly
Location service-off
Brightness at approx. 45%
Auto brightness-off
3G-on.

Will browse internet for 2 hours at a fair clip to try to match standby as best as I can... then when I leave work I'll use iPod through aux input in car for approx. 30 minutes... also use phone for approximately 15-30 minutes... when I get home, I'll turn wifi on, then browse internet at a fair clip for approx 1 hour and play peggle for approx 30 minutes to 1 hour. Will post results! Will take pics on the hour as well to post here.
 
I REALLY hope that this is a software problem and not a hardware problem. Hopefully 3.0.1 will fix some of these problems. I just got my 3GS today and I'm restoring it but I'm not entirely sure how the first discharge is supposed to go.
 
I was having the same battery issues as others, by 6pm or so the battery was at less then 20%. Took it to the genius bar and they ran a diagnostics test on it. They said it had a issue and then gave me a new phone.
 
my guess

Ok, I'm at 100%, charged for approx 2 hours beyond getting to 100%.

Bluetooth-off,
Wifi-off,
Push-off
2 mail accts set to fetch hourly
Location service-off
Brightness at approx. 45%
Auto brightness-off
3G-on.

Will browse internet for 2 hours at a fair clip to try to match standby as best as I can... then when I leave work I'll use iPod through aux input in car for approx. 30 minutes... also use phone for approximately 15-30 minutes... when I get home, I'll turn wifi on, then browse internet at a fair clip for approx 1 hour and play peggle for approx 30 minutes to 1 hour. Will post results! Will take pics on the hour as well to post here.

my guess is that you'll get between 24 and 30 hours standby, with the six hours of usage. maybe a little less since your brightness is at 45%, might be a good 24 hour standby total.
 
I've been doing a LOT better. I get between 5-6 hours of usage with 1 day standby before I hit 10%-20%. Of course everyone would like better but I don't think that's bad. I do notice what others have said about like 100-90% discharging a lot faster that other intervals. I think we'll probably see future software updates give us a bit better performance too. Like right now I have 9 hours, 41 minutes standby with 2 hours 30 minutes usage and 66% battery life left.
 
Ok, so I understand now about "calibrating" the battery once a month, but should we really have to do this with a brand new phone?

Now, I have ready that turning off 3G can save a lot of battery time so I am trying that now, with WiFi on. Apple says 5 hours talk time on 3G and 12 hours 2G talk time. When it comes to talking, what is the difference between 2G & 3G? Obviously 3G data is much faster but what about voice?
 
I've noticed after about a week of usage, the battery seems to be draining substantially slower than it was when I first got it. When I first started using my 3gs I could visually see the battery drain, and now that I've used it (and therefore naturally cycled the battery a few times), the battery is MUCH stronger... So my recommendation for those who feel the battery is draining fast is to just use the damn thing for a week and see what happens.
 
Power User Results (Update)

my guess is that you'll get between 24 and 30 hours standby, with the six hours of usage. maybe a little less since your brightness is at 45%, might be a good 24 hour standby total.

Ok, time to post results... I dogged my 3GS at work and when I left work, taking pics pretty much on the hour for the first 5 hours to show drain... This all happened in under 9 hours today as you can see. Plenty of internet use, 1 hour of iPod use, downloaded four songs on 3G, one on Wifi because it was too large of a file. Remember, battery was charged for about 2 hours after it hit 100% to be sure it was really maxed out because you can't really trust the percentage meter or the battery indicator icon.

Bluetooth-off,
Wifi-off,
Push-off
2 mail accts set to fetch hourly
Location service-off
Brightness at approx. 45%
Auto brightness-off
3G-on.
 

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Restored as a new phone and got much better battery life today.

-3G on all day
-wifi on, but not connected to a network
-A few very brief (<1 min) phone calls
-4 hours of tethered 3G internet usage (screen was off during most of this) over bluetooth to my macbook
-iPod playing during tethering for about 2 hours
-About 20 minutes of watching Braveheart during study break with brightness all the way up :p
-Bought a song on the iTunes store over 3G too
-brightness at 50% with auto-brightness on
-1 gmail account fetching every 15 min; also pushing contacts/calendars over the air with Google Sync
-no apps with push notifications, so that wasn't enabled (although I do plan to reinstall beejive soon)
-location services on

overall, much better than the crappy ~3 hours I was getting when I was using the 3GS restored from a 3G backup. I was very, very close to calling AppleCare and asking them to send me a replacement. Hopefully it just needed to break-in a bit, and maybe using a 3GS from a 3G backup is just asking for trouble.
 

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