[Merged] iPhone and Radiation Safety

Here's some scientific information for all of you regarding cell phones:

Cell phones do not emit IONIZING radiation. Ionization is the key, as that's what causes DNA damage which can cause the cell mutations which can "potentially" lead to cancer. The truth is we're exposed to ionizing radiation every day. Those of us who live in the mountains are exposed to more than those of us that live at sea level, all due to cosmic radiation. The amounts are small, and don't lead to an increased cancer risk however, which is why I'm careful to say "potentially". There is no ionizing radiation emitting from your cell phone. The radiation everyone is getting all worked up over isn't nearly of a high enough energy to cause the DNA mutations that lead to cancer. So if it's cancer you're worried about, it's not induced by your cell phone. Read up on cancer biology. That's all the information you need to rest your mind... and perhaps a basic understanding of physics wouldn't hurt either.

To add to that, since ionization is the only known mechanism whereby radiation of any sort could cause cancer, another concern is the heat produced by the cell phone. However, the heat produced at the depth of the brain would be only a fraction of a degree, which is less than the heating produced by exercise. No one is saying exercise causes brain cancer. The truth is RF radiation, and in fact anything below x-ray and gamma ray radiation for the most part (which means things such as microwave radiation and RF radiation) don't have enough energy to break the chemical bonds in the DNA to cause damage to cause cancer.

Of course this myth is scary, no one wants cancer. Cancer is elusive, most of us know someone who has had the unfortunate experience of suffering through cancer, and the prognosis for certain types, brain cancer in particular, can be very poor. Most of us also use cell phones. And those big bad power towers and cell towers seem to be popping up everywhere. However, this is not the result of a government conspiracy or cover up. The science behind this all explains away the fears. RF radiation is NOT causing cancer, in fact, it CANNOT cause cancer because it doesn't have enough energy. Period.

And one further clarification. The energy of radiation is NOT determined by the amount. It's determined by the type (x-rays, gamma rays, microwaves, radiofrequency waves, etc). SO even if you're right next to the biggest RF emitting tower in the world, the cumulative effect would not turn it into ionizing radiation.

SchrodingersCat said:

Here's some scientific information for all of you regarding cell phones:

Cell phones do not emit IONIZING radiation. Ionization is the key, as that's what causes DNA damage which can cause the cell mutations which can "potentially" lead to cancer. The truth is we're exposed to ionizing radiation every day. Those of us who live in the mountains are exposed to more than those of us that live at sea level, all due to cosmic radiation. The amounts are small, and don't lead to an increased cancer risk however, which is why I'm careful to say "potentially". There is no ionizing radiation emitting from your cell phone. The radiation everyone is getting all worked up over isn't nearly of a high enough energy to cause the DNA mutations that lead to cancer. So if it's cancer you're worried about, it's not induced by your cell phone. Read up on cancer biology. That's all the information you need to rest your mind... and perhaps a basic understanding of physics wouldn't hurt either.

To add to that, since ionization is the only known mechanism whereby radiation of any sort could cause cancer, another concern is the heat produced by the cell phone. However, the heat produced at the depth of the brain would be only a fraction of a degree, which is less than the heating produced by exercise. No one is saying exercise causes brain cancer. The truth is RF radiation, and in fact anything below x-ray and gamma ray radiation for the most part (which means things such as microwave radiation and RF radiation) don't have enough energy to break the chemical bonds in the DNA to cause damage to cause cancer.

Of course this myth is scary, no one wants cancer. Cancer is elusive, most of us know someone who has had the unfortunate experience of suffering through cancer, and the prognosis for certain types, brain cancer in particular, can be very poor. Most of us also use cell phones. And those big bad power towers and cell towers seem to be popping up everywhere. However, this is not the result of a government conspiracy or cover up. The science behind this all explains away the fears. RF radiation is NOT causing cancer, in fact, it CANNOT cause cancer because it doesn't have enough energy. Period.

And one further clarification. The energy of radiation is NOT determined by the amount. It's determined by the type (x-rays, gamma rays, microwaves, radiofrequency waves, etc). SO even if you're right next to the biggest RF emitting tower in the world, the cumulative effect would not turn it into ionizing radiation.

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Attached are two files one shows how RF is used to Ignite salt water and may find a cure for cancer the other is a picture of a RF burn now RF burns you like a Microwave so it takes a long time to heal and can cause serious damage.RF is NON-ionizing Radiation meaning it cannot change the structure of your DNA as i stated earlyer but still doesn't mean its not dangerous. OHSA has found it to be a "physical Hazard" so it should be taken serious.

rsisafety said:

Attached are two files one shows how RF is used to Ignite salt water and may find a cure for cancer the other is a picture of a RF burn now RF burns you like a Microwave so it takes a long time to heal and can cause serious damage.RF is NON-ionizing Radiation meaning it cannot change the structure of your DNA as i stated earlyer but still doesn't mean its not dangerous. OHSA has found it to be a "physical Hazard" so it should be taken serious.

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Attached is a word document I made with a youtube link and wikipedia as a reference



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As I stated before if you carefully read the research ( provided earlier in this thread... go ahead and read it yourself and decide on your own ) no research has ever proven that low levels of RF will cause cancer... but here it is incase you missed it

NO article, and i mean NOT A SINGLE one will support the idea that a 1.5W/kg of sar radiation will cause cancer. Sure they found some signs or reduced oxidation with SAR of 6 W/Kg, but no phone puts out that much radiation

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rsisafety said:

Attached are two files one shows how RF is used to Ignite salt water and may find a cure for cancer the other is a picture of a RF burn now RF burns you like a Microwave so it takes a long time to heal and can cause serious damage.RF is NON-ionizing Radiation meaning it cannot change the structure of your DNA as i stated earlyer but still doesn't mean its not dangerous. OHSA has found it to be a "physical Hazard" so it should be taken serious.

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I work in the radiation therapy field. I know all about those "techniques" to ablate cancer, and I'm well aware that the heating can cause cellular damage. In fact, prostate seeds (radioactive) for prostate cancer have been proposed to be tied into a metal that can vibrate due to RF fields and heat up the tumor, causing cell death. Death is not cancer though. Yes it can harm tissue. The key though is that these are at resonant frequencies, which means it's exactly the right frequency to vibrate a specific metal to create heating. RF can do those types of things in skin, I've no doubt of it, however it would have to be at high intensities, or the perfect frequency, and all these things are closely monitored. Those pictures, if that's from RF, we're talking about insanely intense, focused beams (like a laser beam for example). Not something that arose from cellular phone usage.

SchrodingersCat said:

I work in the radiation therapy field. I know all about those "techniques" to ablate cancer, and I'm well aware that the heating can cause cellular damage. In fact, prostate seeds (radioactive) for prostate cancer have been proposed to be tied into a metal that can vibrate due to RF fields and heat up the tumor, causing cell death. Death is not cancer though. Yes it can harm tissue. The key though is that these are at resonant frequencies, which means it's exactly the right frequency to vibrate a specific metal to create heating. RF can do those types of things in skin, I've no doubt of it, however it would have to be at high intensities, or the perfect frequency, and all these things are closely monitored. Those pictures, if that's from RF, we're talking about insanely intense, focused beams (like a laser beam for example). Not something that arose from cellular phone usage.

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no thats not from a cell phone thats direct contact with a tower. a cell phone can't do that but a cell tower thats charged can and Am towers not only admit rf but since the tower is fully charged it could shock bad as in stope your heart bad. as the good Dr. Cabrera from the previous quote pointed out neither RF burns or shock can cause cancer. thanks Doc that should rap it up we can all go home now. thanks

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rsisafety said:

no thats not from a cell phone thats direct contact with a tower. a cell phone can't do that but a cell tower thats charged can and Am towers not only admit rf but since the tower is fully charged it could shock bad as in stope your heart bad. as the good Dr. Cabrera from the previous quote pointed out neither RF burns or shock can cause cancer. thanks Doc that should rap it up we can all go home now. thanks

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If cell towers are so dangerous, why aren't there more reports of injuries stemming from exposure to the radiation that they emit?

ppc750fx said:

If cell towers are so dangerous, why aren't there more reports of injuries stemming from exposure to the radiation that they emit?

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unless you work in the industry you don't hear about these injuries. those reports go directly to OSHA they go out and investigate and if the injury is proven to be the employers fault then OSHA provides a fine like this
1. 01001 Serious 19260503 A01 08/24/2005 09/01/2005 $5000 $3500 $0 09/12/2005 F - Formal Settlement

you hear more about people falling from towers now there are several reason someone would fall off a tower and here is one of them your first reaction when you get burned or shocked is to pull your hand back so if your not 100% tied off and you pull your and off the ladder away from whats shocking you they its that much easier to fall and get hurt.

rsisafety said:

no thats not from a cell phone thats direct contact with a tower. a cell phone can't do that but a cell tower thats charged can and Am towers not only admit rf but since the tower is fully charged it could shock bad as in stope your heart bad.

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Sorry but you are WRONG

This is direct from the FCC

Measurements made near typical cellular and PCS installations, especially those with tower-mounted antennas, have shown that ground-level power densities are thousands of times less than the FCC's limits for safe exposure. This makes it extremely unlikely that a member of the general public could be exposed to RF levels in excess of FCC guidelines due solely to cellular or PCS base station antennas located on towers or monopoles.

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As stated before the threshold level for injury is a SAR of 4 W/ KG

The NCRP, IEEE and ICNIRP exposure guidelines identify the same threshold level at which harmful biological effects may occur, and the values for Maximum Permissible Exposure (MPE) recommended for electric and magnetic field strength and power density in both documents are based on this level. The threshold level is a Specific Absorption Rate (SAR) value for the whole body of 4 watts per kilogram (4 W/kg).

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But the FCC will not allow a phone that puts out more than 1.6

The safe limit for a mobile phone user is an SAR of 1.6 watts per kg (1.6 W/kg), averaged over one gram of tissue, and compliance with this limit must be demonstrated before FCC approval is granted for marketing of a phone in the United States.

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What is so difficult to understand, only high levels ( enough to heat tissue) of radiation have ever been shown to cause damage

Biological effects can result from exposure to RF energy. Biological effects that result from heating of tissue by RF energy are often referred to as "thermal" effects. It has been known for many years that exposure to very high levels of RF radiation can be harmful due to the ability of RF energy to heat biological tissue rapidly. This is the principle by which microwave ovens cook food. Exposure to very high RF intensities can result in heating of biological tissue and an increase in body temperature. Tissue damage in humans could occur during exposure to high RF levels because of the body's inability to cope with or dissipate the excessive heat that could be generated. Two areas of the body, the eyes and the testes, are particularly vulnerable to RF heating because of the relative lack of available blood flow to dissipate the excess heat load.

At relatively low levels of exposure to RF radiation, i.e., levels lower than those that would produce significant heating; the evidence for production of harmful biological effects is ambiguous and unproven. Such effects, if they exist, have been referred to as "non-thermal" effects. A number of reports have appeared in the scientific literature describing the observation of a range of biological effects resulting from exposure to low-levels of RF energy. However, in most cases, further experimental research has been unable to reproduce these effects. Furthermore, since much of the research is not done on whole bodies (in vivo), there has been no determination that such effects constitute a human health hazard. It is generally agreed that further research is needed to determine the generality of such effects and their possible relevance, if any, to human health. In the meantime, standards-setting organizations and government agencies continue to monitor the latest experimental findings to confirm their validity and determine whether changes in safety limits are needed to protect human health.

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This is not youtube, this is not wikipedia, this is directly from the FCC

http://www.fcc.gov/oet/rfsafety/rf-faqs.html

Dr. Cabrera said:

Sorry but you are WRONG

This is direct from the FCC



As stated before the threshold level for injury is a SAR of 4 W/ KG



But the FCC will not allow a phone that puts out more than 1.6



What is so difficult to understand, only high levels ( enough to heat tissue) of radiation have ever been shown to cause damage




This is not youtube, this is not wikipedia, this is directly from the FCC

http://www.fcc.gov/oet/rfsafety/rf-faqs.html

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actually you just proved me rightIf the "threshold level for injury is a SAR of 4 W/ KG" and the "FCC will not allow a phone that puts out more than 1.6 " then "everyone hold on for this one" as i stated before a cell phone cannot cause the type of rf burn in the picture.

and as for this quote "Measurements made near typical cellular and PCS installations, especially those with tower-mounted antennas, have shown that ground-level power densities are thousands of times less than the FCC's limits for safe exposure. This makes it extremely unlikely that a member of the general public could be exposed to RF levels in excess of FCC guidelines due solely to cellular or PCS base station antennas located on towers or monopoles." ground level is the key word how about at mid or top level of tower were the antenna's are that would cause some rf burns if the antenna's were not powered down before climbing the tower.


also AM towers are "charged" that's how they send out a AM signal the whole tower is a Antenna so the RF admitted at the Am frequency caused electrical shock if you touch a AM tower with it powered up. now the RF readings fcc is referring to are low just 5-10 feet away from a AM tower but not on the tower its self.

its very easy touch a Am Tower you'll get shocked,climb a cell tower or FM tower you can get a rf burn if your not trained to work safely around RF.
but thank you doc for quoting directly from FCC to prove my point that cell phones will not hurt you.

lol wait a sec ( sorry but your language was pretty poor so I was a bit confused)

You mean touch.. as in actually physically touching a cell phone tower... that's like saying Don't touch high voltage lines



those signs are pretty self-explanatory

Dr. Cabrera said:

lol wait a sec ( sorry but your language was pretty poor so I was a bit confused)

You mean touch.. as in actually physically touching a cell phone tower... that's like saying Don't touch high voltage lines

those signs are pretty self-explanatory

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your right but people do it every day to make sure your cell phone gets that signal you need to make your phone call. thats why i refer to OSHA's guidelines more then FCC because i'm referring to people that "work on towers every day" and around "RF producing equipment"

i'm glad you relize how dangerous a job tower climbers have now and maybe people will have more respect for the job they do when they are using that cell phone.



any way that sign does not meet ANSI or OSHA CFR 1926.200 Standards
or PCIA Signage Standards so you would not see that at a tower site and if you do call FCC & OSHA because there in volation of standards

a voice of reason in a sea of denial...(PS-get an iPod touch and ditch the cell radiation).

Brain tumors are everywhere these days. S Jobs-extremely wealthy and powerful-yet still dying of cancer.

These are facts. Sorry if you cannot cognitate facts...

danvlarsen said:

Thanks, mieichho, for your sane response. There seems to me to be quite a bit of ignorance in this string. We're exposed to RF radiation at a macro level so we shouldn't care about localized RF exposure? That's a bit like saying that our neighbors play their music too loud, so we may as well as invite them over to blast Scorpion in our house at 1000 decibels 24/7.

Exposure to RF radiation causes cell damage. Fact.

RF radiation localized to specific organs causes cell death in those organs. Fact. Constant RF exposure to the brain will cause neuron death. Constant exposure from an RF device in a pocket will likely cause testicular cancer, gynecologic cancer or prostate cancer.

Cell damage from RF exposure reduces dramatically the further you get away from the source. Fact.

In the case of cell phones and other RF-emitting devices, even a matter of feet can make a dramatic difference. While huge macro exposure from satellites and repeater towers does scare the **** out of me, there really isn't much I can do about it. There's devices I can get to supposedly deflect those waves away from my home, but I don't think the scientific evidence is out on whether or not they're effective. But ... that doesn't mean I'm going to make the matter worse and add constant localized exposure to the constant macro exposure. Maybe our bodies are strong enough to fight off the weaker macro exposure (or maybe they simply create more systemic biological effects like depression and fibromyalgia), but they're not strong enough to fight off intense localized exposure.

There's going to be a veritable boom in the neurosurgery industry in the coming years. Removing brain tumors from cell phone radiation is going to become like the Jiffy Lube of oncology procedures. All of these people walking around with bluetooth headsets on 24/7 (this has suddenly skyrocketed in states that don't allow using cell phones while driving) - aside from looking like complete 'tards - are future neurosurgery customers. Good luck with that.

To tie this back to the iPhone ... I recently bought one and love the convenience of having unlimited data and taking web apps with me wherever I go (getting Pandora.com 24/7 wherever I want it was the tipping point for me). But I also realized immediately that I was now walking around with a device that was emitting and receiving RF signals 24/7. Unlike my previous cell phone, whose RF radiation spiked only when it was actually in use (as evidenced by its heating up during phone use), the iPhone was now sitting in my pocket and feeding me radiation full time.

When docked next to my PC, it's bluetooth (the first bluetooth device I've owned) would also constantly mess with my land-line phone calls. And if the energy the iPhone emits can disrupt the energy pattern of a phone, it is most certainly having the same disruptive effect on my own energy flow.

All of these people who choose to bury their heads and ignore the scientific evidence on RF radiation exposure (and there is reams of it) because using their devices is simply more convenient than worrying about long term medical effects (while deal with today what you can put off till you're 50?) will, in historical view, be laughed at just as we now look back and laugh at the doctors who told people in the 50's that smoking was not only good for you, but also gave you a manly, gravelly voice that women swooned over. It's ignorant, plain and simple. These people are buying into cell phone industry misinformation just as everybody bought into the global warming misinformation that we now know for a fact was a deliberate campaign by the groups representing the oil and auto industries.

I love my iPhone. Awesome device. But I will be keeping it in Airplane Mode (they should just called it "Disconnected Mode" or "Off-Network Mode" or something) whenever I'm not out and about and needing it to receive and transmit. i.e. whenever I'm sitting at my desk, it'll be in Airplane Mode. That will, at least, reduce my exposure.

I would be interested in the hardware specs on it, to know for sure that 100% of its RF emission is shut off. I guess it would be relatively easy to test with an RF meter.

I'm really glad Apple added that feature. They should reposition it, though, and make it more prominent.

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doug in albq said:

a voice of reason in a sea of denial...(PS-get an iPod touch and ditch the cell radiation).

Brain tumors are everywhere these days. S Jobs-extremely wealthy and powerful-yet still dying of cancer.

These are facts. Sorry if you cannot cognitate facts...

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Sorry your post might make since in a "sea of Denial" that your in But your flaw is this is earth and to prove a point you need to base it on facts i think even those of us that disagree will agree on that.

so just by saying the word "fact" doesn't make it a fact, did you get your information from OSHA,FCC,IEEE,NATE, And if you read the thread you'll see everything you said has been said before this thread has grown in to a useless slamming page were more "opinion" then "fact" is posted.

so with that i say good bye forever i'll be removing my self from this site as i'm only here to provide facts about RF not opinions based on theory.

have a great life and to those that have debated with me good luck god bless and thank of a world without RF admiting devices and how simple and nice that would be.

rsisafety said:

i'm glad you relize how dangerous a job tower climbers have now and maybe people will have more respect for the job they do when they are using that cell phone.

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Nobody (to my knowledge) said they had no respect for these people. Men and women risk their lives doing dangerous jobs every day, from people who work in construction to astronauts or doctors that work around highly infectious patients.

rsisafety said:

Sorry your post might make since in a "sea of Denial" that your in But your flaw is this is earth and to prove a point you need to base it on facts i think even those of us that disagree will agree on that.

so just by saying the word "fact" doesn't make it a fact, did you get your information from OSHA,FCC,IEEE,NATE, And if you read the thread you'll see everything you said has been said before this thread has grown in to a useless slamming page were more "opinion" then "fact" is posted.

so with that i say good bye forever i'll be removing my self from this site as i'm only here to provide facts about RF not opinions based on theory.

have a great life and to those that have debated with me good luck god bless and thank of a world without RF admiting devices and how simple and nice that would be.

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Wow. #1, this guy only quoted a post. #2 the post he is quoting sides with you in this debate.

And, just to clear a few things up: Antenna burn is caused by the difference in voltage between your feet (touching the ground) and the antenna.

Also, at danvlarsen: It is impossible for an electronic device to emit no radiation. It is possible for the antenna to be unused.

darkspym7 said:

My leg sometimes bothers me when I keep my iPhone in my pocket. I'm curious if this has anything to do with the radiation it's putting out.

My last phone sometimes did the same (it had around the same SAR level), but I've never experienced anything else with my previous phones.

Has anyone else experienced anything similar?

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I have had the same experience people think your nuts,had in shirt pocket after 6 to 8 hrs discomfort in upper chest????Going to keep it out of pocket for a couple of days and try again. I think the settings can be turned down to reduce the radiation. This phone really messes with me my other phone was not bad.

Too much Radiation from Macbook and Iphone, Dizzy??? Blisters on face, EMF damage!

Until last summer I was, like most people nowadays, very fond of all my modern communication gadgets from wifi to mobile, from Palm to laptops and all their advantages.

From 2006 onwards I went several times to see a doctor for heart palpitations, but they couldn’t find anything wrong with me.
Then in July 2008 I suddenly started experiencing dizziness on numerous occasions, till it got so bad one night, suffering even from speech problems, that I ended up in A&E thinking I had a stroke or heart attack; in the following weeks I underwent many tests. The results showed I was absolutely fine, but the symptoms stayed. The doctors told me I just had been stressed, but the thing is I wasn’t stressed at all prior to this.

To my own shock and confusion I realized that my dizziness always occurred, when I was in close vicinity to Wifi, mobiles, Blackberries and mobile masts.

Other symptoms added themselves to the list: excessive sweating during the night, memory and concentration problems, a pain in my head, pins and needles in my hands, a feeling of being static (I gave people electric shocks in that early period, when I shook their hands), prickly skin and even skin rashes. The latter, when I was sitting in front of my computer or the tv. Even certain light sources (energy saving light bulbs and neon lights) caused the skin problem to occur.

After medical professionals weren’t able to help, I started my own research and found many websites and blogs by people, with exactly the same problems as mine. They are sufferers of electro-sensitivity (ES), a condition fully recognized in Canada and Sweden as a medical impairment (with 300.000 sufferers in Sweden alone) but unfortunately ridiculed in the UK. I had never heard of it (this to show I am not a hypochondriac), but once I realized that this was the source of my problems, I started clearing my home environment from Wifi, DECT phones and non-essential electrical items. My problems immediately started to get noticeably better.

Since I am suffering from this condition, I have spoken to many people about it and even if not everyone has fully blown symptoms of ES, I have encountered many people who have some of the described symptoms.

So the problem might lie on a bigger scale than the assumed 3-5% of sufferers worldwide. This is the main reason of me contacting you, as I have the feeling that more awareness needs to be raised, as many many people suffer of a small portion of ES symptoms. Especially prevalent seems the following:

Most men carry their mobile in their jacket or trousers for easy access. I used to carry mine in my motorbike jacket’s front left pocket. When I stopped doing that the unexplained palpitations I suffered from for 2 years vanished immediately.

In conversations with friends, colleagues and fellow bikers I heard that many of them experience similar symptoms like pain or tremors in the chest area or what the American media refers to as “phantom text messages”. Every now and then I’d think I had a text message, when carrying my phone in my trouser pockets, but when I checked there was nothing there.

According to Swedish scientist and ES expert Olle Johansson this is caused “by high intensity bursts of extremely-low frequency electromagnetic field charges that your phone is producing and (that are) affecting your nervous system.”

This seems to affect mainly men, as men are more likely to carry their phone on their body than women, who mainly carry them in their handbags.

Of course I don’t know, if carrying your mobile is a cause of ES or if these phantom text messages are just another symptom and the causes could lie somewhere else, like problems with your immune system for example, which could to make you more susceptible to all the electromagnetic radiation around us, but in any case I guess it can’t be good to have heart palpitations.

I know: I have heard every joke about “vibrating pockets” and have been many times referred to Ben Goldacre’s “Bad Science” column. There are definitely pseudo-scientists out there making a lot of money from scaremongering, but we have to distinguish between those and the victims in all this.

Retrospectively I am convinced that my heart palpitations were an early warning sign for what was happening later on. I might have been able to avoid to come to down with electro-sensitivity, if I had known more about it. And believe me: ES is not an easy thing to live with.


During all this happening I thought for a short period of time, that it might just be my ancient phone causing trouble, so I opted for an iphone, but that just made things far worse, which brings me to another issue of widespread problems nobody seems willing to be talking about.

Now I know that the radiation emitted from an iphone/ Blackberry is far higher than the one of my old Nokia. (Measured in SAR ratings: iphone a whopping 2.0, the ancient Nokia a mere 0.57) In the US for example the guidelines are much tighter, the iphone on the market there has a lower rating.

Since then I have spoken to many proud owners of an iphone. Many of them experience sleep problems (most of them seem to wake up in the early hours of the morning (around 4.30) and find it difficult to get back to sleep) and/ or feel ill. Even though some of them admitted, that their problems started shortly after acquiring their new gadget, they are of course unwilling to put two and two together. As I was when it all started happening to me.

Our fast communication tools are just so wonderfully convenient, that we are very reluctant to think, there might be a problem.

And I’m not talking about some weird conspiracy theory. Just the reluctance to let go of something making our lives so much easier. But maybe the price we are all paying on the long run will be too high?
Even though it should be said, that of course the revenue of the communications industry is vast.

But smoking used to be a relaxing pastime, didn’t it?

If you are still sceptical, while reading this, maybe you can suspend your disbelief and convey an easy test: Maybe ask around in your office, if people are experiencing sleep problems and/ or the phantom text messages? Maybe ask willing participants to switch off their mobile and Wifi during the night, remove the DECT phone from the bedroom and not to carry the mobile on their bodies for a period to see if it makes any difference? The phones, if kept switched on by your bed (i.e. used as an alarm clock) will not let your brain go into a proper sleep pattern and thus not allowing for your body’s necessary recuperation process to work over night.
There should be warnings on phones: Do not keep by your bed.
I am sure that the results of such a test will be very convincing.

Since all this has happened to me I have spoken to many fellow sufferers, as well. Many people, completely left alone by the NHS, forced to leave their jobs and in some cases even their homes. I am in writing contact with a woman who is now living in a tent, as it is the only place, where she can be symptom free. A desolate and lonely existence.

The people I have spoken to come from all walks of life: lawyers, bankers, actors, lighting technicians, librarians etc. They all suffer the same symptoms. If they were all hypochondriac, how come they all have the same set of symptoms? Surely this can’t be some sort of mass hallucination or hysteria.
Even the though numbers are growing ES sufferers and anyone trying to ask for more research are being ridiculed.
So far research hasn’t come up with any conclusive results, but as a sufferer of ES I know, that has just to do with the fact that the scientists undertaking the trials don’t understand (or worse don’t take it seriously) and so the lab environment is a problem in itself for most sufferers.

The whole scenario reminds me very much of the case of ME (especially because of some of the similarities in symptoms between the two illnesses). Sufferers of ME were ridiculed for years as having “yuppie flu”. Maybe there is even a link?

For more information:

2 British websites about ES:
www.electrosensitivity.org
http://www.es-uk.info

A Canadian website about ES:
www.weepinitiative.org

The Swedish website about ES:
http://www.feb.se/FEB/feb_techman.html

The following website and articles are about the (proven!) negative effects of energy saving lightbulbs (for everyone, not just ES sufferers) and the planned ban of tungsten bulbs by the government this year:
http://www.spectrumalliance.org.uk
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article4915472.ec
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hes-swelling-sensitive-skin-warn-experts.html
This might be another thing you’d like to look into for a spread on your programme?

Other problems to come include the widespread ideas of rolling out wifi over whole cities and the installation of so-called smart-meters, that will send your electricity usage reading wirelessly to the providers.
I am already scared, how I will be able to live my life and cope at my job with the increasing EMFs and Wifi everywhere.


Looking back it would have been great, if I had known more about the possible problems of overexposure to modern communication. So I am trying to raise awareness wherever I can. For example I have contacted my local MP (with no result unfortunately), talked to age concern (who were interested in some of the scenarios), had an article published in two Motorbike magazines etc. and I will keep going…


We all should be more careful until it is really proven that there are no dangers involved in using wireless technology to the extent we do at the moment.

Personally I'm really worried for the future of all my friends and family living in this country. I believe we are sleep walking into a really big problem for our health.

Mr G. UK

Those who just mock, please carry on using your WiFi and Mobiles! Late comers to ES are most welcome. You just wont want it!!!

Take your heads out the sand!

iPhone and Radiation Safety

It's my opinion that this is an AT&T thing. It has been happening to me for at least 3 years since I've been with AT&T so I don't think it has anything to do with the iPhone. I think it has something to do with AT&T's technology. Bugs me because I am a musician and don't like to hear the noise in recordings.

Gp1 said:

SNIP

Take your heads out the sand!

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How about you do the same? You haven't quoted one reputable link from any recognized scientific organization. I'm sorry you've had the problems you've had, but maybe you might try looking for other causes for your problems. For example, maybe diet or heredity caused your problems. Maybe you just got unlucky and there's no cause to blame.

WallyHanson said:

It's my opinion that this is an AT&T thing. It has been happening to me for at least 3 years since I've been with AT&T so I don't think it has anything to do with the iPhone. I think it has something to do with AT&T's technology. Bugs me because I am a musician and don't like to hear the noise in recordings.

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Right. It's AT&T's fault. See the guy above.

Your phone: Apple iPhone 3G S

see better PDA phones
MAXIMUM RADIATION: 1.19 W/KG
[based on reported radiation level when held up to your ear]

WORKS WITH THESE CARRIERS

AT&T *

*Phone is currently available from the provider's website.
SPECIFIC ABSORPTION RATES (SAR) (BY NETWORK MODE)

The Specific Absorption Rates (SAR) is a measure of how much radiation is absorbed by the body when the phone is sending a signal to the network. Different cell tower networks use different frequencies. The phone changes modes depending on which network has the strongest signal. Contact your service provider to determine which mode you are using.
UTMS II 1900 MODE
SAR when held at the ear 1.19 W/kg
SAR when worn on the body 0.33 W/kg
GSM 1900 MODE
SAR when held at the ear 0.79 W/kg
SAR when worn on the body 0.26 W/kg
GSM 850 MODE
SAR when held at the ear 0.63 W/kg
SAR when worn on the body 0.52 W/kg
UMTS V 850 MODE
SAR when held at the ear 0.56 W/kg
SAR when worn on the body 0.67 W/kg
WI-FI MODE
SAR when held at the ear 0.52 W/kg
SAR when worn on the body 0.06 W/kg

Data source: Federal Communications Commission (FCC)

http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone/Apple/iPhone+3G+S/

Here is a list of all cell phones, ranked on radiation:

http://www.ewg.org/cellphoneradiation/Get-a-Safer-Phone?allavailable=1

(just some personal feedback: Whenever I talk on my iPhone for more than 15 minutes, I get a headache. I'm serious. I love my iPhone, and I use the speaker phone now if I go over 15min, but if I hold it to my head for more than 15min, I get a headache. Serious.)

southcounty949 said:

I was sitting in the lobby of a dentist office ... during my wait, I decide to watch some YouTube on the iPhone. The minute I start downloading a video clip, the speakers around me start going crazy! (you know when you have your phone close to speakers and it makes that annoying noise.) The speakers were a few feet above me. Also, I have one of those old CRT monitors at work. When my iPhone is next to it, it goes crazy!!!!! Does anyone else have these problems? I hope that in a few years I don't have a tumor in my head the size of a bowling ball, lol

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This happens to me too. Whenever my phone rings, my computer speakers go crazy.

I saw this popping up recently in the news

One side of the argument has scientific papers and the FCC saying that cell phones do not cause cancer

The other side of the argument are correlation studies and people who are hypochondriacs saying that cell phones do cause cancer

Weird

This Christmas I bought two iPhones, one for me and one for my wife, the things is she complains that when she uses hers it burns her ear/head after around 5 minutes use. When I had a go on her phone it also made my ear really hot!! But my iPhone doesnt do it to me weird
Christian

christianredhat said:

This Christmas I bought two iPhones, one for me and one for my wife, the things is she complains that when she uses hers it burns her ear/head after around 5 minutes use. When I had a go on her phone it also made my ear really hot!! But my iPhone doesnt do it to me weird
Christian

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Placebo. You imagine your ear will become warm, then blood vessels in your ear open up, causing your ear temperature to rise. The radiation from the iPhone is not the right frequency to heat up water, and no amount of it will heat you (basic particle physics). Don't worry about it.

Please, please, let this thread die. I don't usually say this, but if you want to ask a question, start a new thread. There's a lot of bad blood here that doesn't ever need to see the light of day again.