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As many many people have pointed out (not just this website): the iPad lacks clear direction of what it wants to be.


If the other tablet manufacturers provide a "tablet" that truly has a FOCUS, unlike the iPad, the tablets will sell regardless of price.

Not sure about other direction, but given the number of games in the App Store, I will be surprised if the iPad will not be a real game changer in the video game console arena.
 
I have a laptop. Why do I want anything else?

This is going to sound a bit elitist, and I apologize in advance, but what's with the sudden rash of newbie posters ragging on a device that was just announced and that only a handful of people have even touched?
 
Ipad

I'm usually very anti - microsoft and pc, I am usually a drunk when it comed to apple and always drinking the koolaid. But seeing some leaked photo's of courier, has me wanting one...I think this would be a priceless addition as far as my consulting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIgNfp-MdI

My only question is when, this could be the 1st item I've seen in years that may sell better to creatives than a mac item...
 
As many many people have pointed out (not just this website): the iPad lacks clear direction of what it wants to be.
In some ways, it really doesn't matter. The marketplace will decide what they want the iPad to be by the demand for applications.

Apple has created some basic apps for the iPad (iWork) as well as a content distribution system for eBooks (iBooks). Now it's up to 3rd party developers to write apps that appeal to the users.

Remember, the original iPod touch (pre-App Store) was just a really expensive music player with e-mail, Safari, and a few other apps. After the opening of the App Store, consumer demand for games really focused the device as a mini-game console (with other functionality of course). Apple added the volume rocker and speakers missing from the original iPod touch in subsequent models. Apple wasn't convinced from the outset that this was going to be a gaming device.
 
Ugh this is ridiculous.... it's not even on sale yet, how on earth has this re-invented the industry and all this BS? Didn't Microsoft demonstrate the various slate pc's just a few weeks ago, until these beasts and the iPad (sounds like a feminine product) are out and competing then we shall see which one re-invents the market.

Personally, i'd take the HP/Archos slates running Windows 7 and Media Centre

I don't remember, it was such a boring keynote from Steve Ballmer with boring tablet products, I can hardly remember what brands he showed. BTW, HP/Archos slates, speaking of boring. :p
 
I'm usually very anti - microsoft and pc, I am usually a drunk when it comed to apple and always drinking the koolaid. But seeing some leaked photo's of courier, has me wanting one...I think this would be a priceless addition as far as my consulting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIgNfp-MdI

My only question is when, this could be the 1st item I've seen in years that may sell better to creatives than a mac item...

I'll personally give you $100 if you can show me a WORKING courier demonstration like the one you linked to and not a concept video.
 
Can you describe what that focus is ?

Nope...that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Define "tablet"...the word tablet has been thrown around the computer industry for at least 20 years. Some invisioned it to be a fully functioning computer OS but with a pen instead of a mouse to click around...some thought it should be mainly a drawing/presentation tablet that an owner could show someone a graphic design or Powerpoint presentation or sales pitch...others (nowadays) thought it should be touchscreen...

Apple hasn't really defined what their iPad *IS*. To most of us, it's some kind of all-in-1 iPod, iTunes, game player, video player, music player, ebook reader, partial computer, partial drawing pad. It clearly does not have a USB port or camera or webcam or memory chip reader or a way to expand the internal memory or storage space or a way to print or provide a cover to protect my precious glass screen when I travel with it...so it's really not competing with laptops/netbooks.

I could go on and on...and I have in other threads on this site. You can click on my username to view the past few posts over the past few days to read them...

Time will tell if the iPad is a total flop or just another AppleTV. Personally I think Apple missed the mark on this iPad thing...too many things stuffed into it (which is nice) but each thing is only mediocre...and that's ALWAYS what happens when you try to make an all-in-1 device. Add to the mix that soooo many consumers already have a laptop (I lump netbook under the laptop main category) and/or an iPhone and/or an iPod Touch and I doubt this iPad will sell well. I really thought it was going to be a more focused product...say only an ebook reader and a web surfing device which would have competed with the Amazon Kindle and possibly competed against Netbooks (since netbooks are mainly web surfing machines).
 
Can you describe what that focus is ?

I think its focus overlaps the iPhone's greatly. Which doesn't mean that it lacks purpose—rather, it means that the iPhone will, eventually and for many people, lack purpose.

Assuming the Apple tablet succeeds (I give it 70% chance), iPhone sales will very possibly drop. Instead, people with the tablet will make calls using voice over IP—or, eventually, video over IP. People would just take their tablet with them everywhere.

And, I think, devices—even desktop devices—similar in concept to the Apple tablet will replace normal computers for most (even for me for my everyday—not programming related—tasks). The tablet OS has a ton of room to grow, especially to add more sophistication but in simple ways (for instance, ways for applications to access each others' files safely, ways for safe plugins, etc).

I mean, honestly, computers are pretty terrible things at the moment; being accustomed to them, we just don't realize it.
 
If they can make and sell a Netbook with a physical keyboard for $250 then they can make a net book with no keyboard for even less.

All they have to do is remove the keys and place the LCD where the keys were and save the cost of not only the keys but the hinged cover too.
Right, because keyboard is expensive and touchscreen is dime a dozen.
 
Nope...that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Define "tablet"...the word tablet has been thrown around the computer industry for at least 20 years. Some invisioned it to be a fully functioning computer OS but with a pen instead of a mouse to click around...some thought it should be mainly a drawing/presentation tablet that an owner could show someone a graphic design or Powerpoint presentation or sales pitch...others (nowadays) thought it should be touchscreen...

Apple hasn't really defined what their iPad *IS*. To most of us, it's some kind of all-in-1 iPod, iTunes, game player, video player, music player, ebook reader, partial computer, partial drawing pad. It clearly does not have a USB port or camera or webcam or memory chip reader or a way to expand the internal memory or storage space or a way to print or provide a cover to protect my precious glass screen when I travel with it...so it's really not competing with laptops/netbooks.

I could go on and on...and I have in other threads on this site. You can click on my username to view the past few posts over the past few days to read them...

Time will tell if the iPad is a total flop or just another AppleTV. Personally I think Apple missed the mark on this iPad thing...too many things stuffed into it (which is nice) but each thing is only mediocre...and that's ALWAYS what happens when you try to make an all-in-1 device. Add to the mix that soooo many consumers already have a laptop (I lump netbook under the laptop main category) and/or an iPhone and/or an iPod Touch and I doubt this iPad will sell well. I really thought it was going to be a more focused product...say only an ebook reader and a web surfing device which would have competed with the Amazon Kindle and possibly competed against Netbooks (since netbooks are mainly web surfing machines).

I don't know about you but I know exactly what the "focus" of the iPad is.

Now can you please tell me what the "focus" is for the slate?

A video demonstrating ( NOT an artist rendering ) it will suffice.
 
Remember, the original iPod touch (pre-App Store) was just a really expensive music player with e-mail, Safari, and a few other apps. After the opening of the App Store, consumer demand for games really focused the device as a mini-game console (with other functionality of course). Apple added the volume rocker and speakers missing from the original iPod touch in subsequent models. Apple wasn't convinced from the outset that this was going to be a gaming device.

Yes. I had a first-gen iPod Touch for a while, back before the App Store. It was cool, but it hit the "so, what?" status quite quickly and I found myself not really using it. Yes, there was jailbreaking, and a couple of neat little apps, but nothing really that impressive. Perhaps the most entertaining thing available was MAME... my friend's 9-year-old son had a field day borrowing my iPod (and killing the battery very quickly). I ended up selling it because I wasn't using it.

Now, with the newer generation hardware, the App Store, and all the neat things the iPod can do as a result, I'm very tempted to buy one again. That or an iPad, we'll see... :)
 
Sweet. Hopefully this means I'll be able to get something other than a glorified smartphone that won't fit in my pocket for less than $500.
 
Assuming the Apple tablet succeeds (I give it 70% chance), iPhone sales will very possibly drop. Instead, people with the tablet will make calls using voice over IP—or, eventually, video over IP. People would just take their tablet with them everywhere.
No way.

If I'm going out (dinner, date, whatever), I just need my keys, wallet and phone. There is no way I'd schlepp the iPad around; it doesn't fit in a pocket.
 
As many many people have pointed out (not just this website): the iPad lacks clear direction of what it wants to be.

That's the beauty of it. "Here's a 10" blank slate for you to make it what you want. When you think you have something good, we have millions of people with their credit cards waiting for the next killer app."

Lack of direction? More like lack of imagination...
 
In some ways, it really doesn't matter. The marketplace will decide what they want the iPad to be by the demand for applications.

Apple has created some basic apps for the iPad (iWork) as well as a content distribution system for eBooks (iBooks). Now it's up to 3rd party developers to write apps that appeal to the users.

Remember, the original iPod touch (pre-App Store) was just a really expensive music player with e-mail, Safari, and a few other apps. After the opening of the App Store, consumer demand for games really focused the device as a mini-game console (with other functionality of course). Apple added the volume rocker and speakers missing from the original iPod touch in subsequent models. Apple wasn't convinced from the outset that this was going to be a gaming device.

And I totally agree with you...in a few months we will see how the public likes the iPad.

I'm not saying it's going to be a flop or refer to it is epic fail. :) My bet is it will be another Apple TV unless Apple comes out with a slamming iPad 2.0.

Most people these days own a cell phone and a computer and an iPod...getting them to plunk down another $500 for a device that mainly merges 3-5 technologies is going to be a hard sell...especially in a recession.

People buy iPods for a reason...ditto for the iPhone...ditto for netbooks/laptops...ditto for a printer. This iPad thingy is trying to please too many people. It's attractive for people who own nothing mentioned above because it's their all-in-1-device-and-I-don't-own-anything-else. That's fine. But that's what, 20% of the US population if that? Does anyone on this board know a legal US resident between the ages of 14 and 55 that does NOT own a cell phone AND does NOT own a laptop/netbook AND does not own an iPod?! More people own desktops than laptops...I'll give you that...but laptops are quickly becoming the preferred computer.

Let's all wait till June or July and see how the public responds to it.
 
I don't know about you but I know exactly what the "focus" of the iPad is.

Now can you please tell me what the "focus" is for the slate?
Go on...

That's the beauty of it. "Here's a 10" blank slate for you to make it what you want. When you think you have something good, we have millions of people with their credit cards waiting for the next killer app."

Lack of direction? More like lack of imagination...
Would it have been easier for you to call someone blind? :D

In some ways, it really doesn't matter. The marketplace will decide what they want the iPad to be by the demand for applications.

Apple has created some basic apps for the iPad (iWork) as well as a content distribution system for eBooks (iBooks). Now it's up to 3rd party developers to write apps that appeal to the users.

Remember, the original iPod touch (pre-App Store) was just a really expensive music player with e-mail, Safari, and a few other apps. After the opening of the App Store, consumer demand for games really focused the device as a mini-game console (with other functionality of course). Apple added the volume rocker and speakers missing from the original iPod touch in subsequent models. Apple wasn't convinced from the outset that this was going to be a gaming device.
We're at the top and still trying to figure out what to do with it. It's disturbing that Apple is taking such a gamble to "let the marketplace decide" when they've already done so much in infrastructure. I'll go as far as to say that even Apple doesn't have much confidence in the product.
 
Yet nobody accused Apple of copying HP...

Seriously dude, how much copying can one do in terms of aesthetics on a Tablet. It's a very plain and simple design. Maybe you should take a look at the Apple Cinema Display screen, maybe you'll get an idea where Apple's design for the iPad came from. :p
 

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No way.

If I'm going out (dinner, date, whatever), I just need my keys, wallet and phone. There is no way I'd schlepp the iPad around; it doesn't fit in a pocket.

Point. Also a bit big to take out at the dinner table or such.

I guess there is a reason why you need an iPod Touch (or iPhone) too...

But my point still stands: it is meant to fill many of the same purposes as iPhones and iPod Touches, but do so more intuitively and with a bigger screen.
 
Yes. I had a first-gen iPod Touch for a while, back before the App Store. It was cool, but it hit the "so, what?" status quite quickly and I found myself not really using it. Yes, there was jailbreaking, and a couple of neat little apps, but nothing really that impressive. Perhaps the most entertaining thing available was MAME... my friend's 9-year-old son had a field day borrowing my iPod (and killing the battery very quickly). I ended up selling it because I wasn't using it.

Now, with the newer generation hardware, the App Store, and all the neat things the iPod can do as a result, I'm very tempted to buy one again. That or an iPad, we'll see... :)

What killed the iPod touch for me was the new MBP battery. I'm sitting outside Panera right now on Safari for this and have a Parallells virtual machine running and I have 5+ hours left on my battery. I can fly Orlando to LA and watch movies the whole time. Why do I need apps? I don't. Why do I need an iPad? I don't. Having an iPad flat on the table here would be massively annoying.
 
And, I think, devices—even desktop devices—similar in concept to the Apple tablet will replace normal computers for most (even for me for my everyday—not programming related—tasks). The tablet OS has a ton of room to grow, especially to add more sophistication but in simple ways (for instance, ways for applications to access each others' files safely, ways for safe plugins, etc).

I mean, honestly, computers are pretty terrible things at the moment; being accustomed to them, we just don't realize it.

Agree. It is the beginning of the end of personal/mobile computing as we know it. Metaphors like desktop, folders, typewriter, directories, drives, etc. (or in other words Mac OS and similar), will disappear.
 
Now can you please tell me what the "focus" is for the slate?

A video demonstrating ( NOT an artist rendering ) it will suffice.

I have no idea what you are talking about...I never mentioned a slate or even know what that is (other than it was rumored to be part of Apples naming scheme).

I think you're missing my point: My point is that the "tablet", as an electronic device, has not been defined...and that while Apple has released (I guess) it's definition of a "tablet" other vendors are getting ready to release their definition of a tablet.

Since I do not work at those other vendors, no, I have no idea what their tablets will do and how they will work. However, I believe (my gut) that the other vendors' tablets will likely be more focused on FEWER features/functions...they will not try to be as many things as the iPad. Is that wrong? No. Is it right? Maybe...again, we'll see how the year and the tablet war goes.
 
Yet nobody accused Apple of copying HP...
So on one side, we have tons of people crying out that the iPad is just a big iPod. On the other hand we have this poster saying that Apple has copied HP's look.

Hmmmmmm.
 
I tell you what, how about we just iForget about the iPud, it won't ship until iApril, where's my re-vamped MacBook Pro?!
 
That's the beauty of it. "Here's a 10" blank slate for you to make it what you want. When you think you have something good, we have millions of people with their credit cards waiting for the next killer app."

Lack of direction? More like lack of imagination...

Only time will tell if the consumers have the time and imagination to turn the iPad into something they want to use. I'm not slamming the iPad...I personally feel it's an all-in-1 device that is mediocre (in order to be all in 1, you need to drop features of each main selling point). I think it will be a FANTASTIC ebook reader. I think it will be a POOR game device. I think it will be a FAIR "computer" since it lacks USB connections and all the other normal computer hardware and OS/application support. I think it will be an above average web surfing device depending on if it supports Flash and where the web goes for web technology. I think it will be a poor video player since it's nowhere close to HD yet.

I think it will sell well for a few months (mostly Apple enthusiasts and folks who do not own an iPod Touch and/or iPhone and/or netbook)...come July or August we will see how people like it. Me?...I'm gonna see what version 2.0 looks like.
 
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