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Steve Jobs Confirms Lack of Future Support for Original iPhone

aristobrat said:
They could have written 4.0 to run on iPhone 2G, if they wanted to. They would not have been able to distribute that update for free.
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engadget said:
we don't see why Cupertino couldn't at least allow for an iPod touch-style paid upgrade, especially since the upgradeable iPhone 3G runs essentially the same hardware.
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I'm kind of surprised this question was even asked. I mean, isn't it obvious? They aren't putting 4.0 on the original iPhone, so why would they put 5.0 on it?
 
Spiggles said:
3) The effort involved in creating, testing, delivering and supporting a build of software extends well beyond just hitting "compile". Every test needs to be run on every build, on every supported device. The binaries often need to be manually tweaked per target, the build machines have to be set up for additional deliverables per target device, the App Store needs to have the right binaries delivered, customer support needs to have additional documentation, etc, and when any of this goes wrong internally (as it will at any company), someone needs to clean it up. Then what if the interactions between the app processor and the radio processor are different between 1.0 and 3G (as they obviously are, since the radios are different)? You will have bugs that only surface on the 1.0 devices; will these get fixed? The man-hours that get sucked into supporting a target that is "almost identical" to another target can be staggering.
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Excellent point.

I still use my old 1st-gen, though not as a phone since getting my 3GS. I was just glad it got the upgrade to 3.0, which itself wasn't a certainty before it was officially declared. Largely by that act, Apple raised our standards for phone OS support from where they were in the prehistoric days to where they are now. So I'm glad to see the whining; it's a good sign of how far Apple has taken us. :D
 
The reason is simple: lack of RAM.
That is why the current iPad has only 256 MB of RAM when it should have at least 1 GB to extend its life.
 
Steve Jobs is hilarious, i mean seriously someone asks a question about original iphone support and hes just like "Sorry, No" lol, he doesn't even give a reason, just simply no, all his comments are like that, and therefore he is the man!
 
I just don't see why, the hardware is the same on the 2g and 3g iphone except for the 3g over edge.Same processor power same memory.
 
Sorry for the long reply! Some people just don't understand how this works :p

firewood said:
Bzzzt... Nope. Myth. Not the same hardware.

The 2 phones (1st gen and 3G) have the same application processor. But these phones are really small multi-processor systems. There are thought to be 3 to 5 processors inside each device (and more than one ARM CPU in each, according to EETimes). OS 4.x probably requires and includes significant changes for more than one of those processors (baseband CPU most likely) which are not identical between the two generation devices (different performance, different embedded memory size, different IO registers, etc.)
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I sure as hell hope you're kidding... Any processor other than the application processor will not affect performance of the device at all (except for performance of, for example, the baseband, which you can't see at all).

freefall722 said:
As a programmer for iPhone apps and games I can promise you iPhone 1st Gen does NOT equal the iPhone 3G
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Then you would be entirely incorrect, sir :)

As an avid jailbreaker AND an iPhone developer, I can promise you that the hardware is exactly the same. In iPhone OS terms, they both use the same S5L8900 processor, as does the first generation iPod touch. The second generation iPod touch has a slightly faster clock speed, and the iPhone 3Gs has double the RAM and an even faster clock speed. The iPod touch 3G then has an ever-so-slightly faster processor than the iPhone 3Gs.

freefall722 said:
Every game I've made - exact same code running on both - runs at about 150fps on the 3G and about 45fps on the 1st Gen. Can't give you a breakdown of why - just know from experience it does. (3GS gets around 500fps if you were interested)
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There are many variables (figuratively, not literal variables) other than the hardware that can affect the speed of the device. Consider what you've done on the device, what apps are installed (affects SpringBoard's RAM and CPU) and what apps are running in the background (iPod, SMS, MobilePhone, MobileMail, MobileSafari and others can all run in the background). Try restoring both phones and experimenting then.

GFLPraxis said:
I know iPhone and iPhone 3G use the same processor, but do they run at the same clock speed?
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Yes, 412Mhz.
 
i asked him the same question right after the keynote

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True.


On Apr 8, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Lukas Groh wrote:

Hey Steve,
I just read that you probably won't support my "classic" 1st gen
iPhone with the iPhone OS 4, is that true?


Lukas Groh (Apple Fan)
 
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True.


On Apr 8, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Lukas Groh wrote:

Hey Steve,
I just read that you probably won't support my "classic" 1st gen
iPhone with the iPhone OS 4, is that true?


Lukas Groh (Apple Fan)
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LMAO ahahahah "True" thanks jobs bahahah
 
PandaOnslaught said:
LMAO ahahahah "True" thanks jobs bahahah
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My boss, who's an über-Apple fanboi, said that Steve Jobs is so tightassed, when a group of people see him coming they actually part so Steve doesn't have to change direction and if you even try to talk to him, he would think you just lost the company millions of dollars just for wasting a second of his time.
 
Is there a new iPhone?

Please can someone help. I've noticed a few saying about upgrading in the summer, I'm in the same boat and just out of contract ready for a new update. But I was majorly panicing after they mentioned nothing of any new iPhone hardware updates. I know they usually update june/July but surely the iphone 4.0 preview would have been the perfect time to push the new iphone release. Starting to think the iPad might disrupt the pattern

If anyone can point me to a report that it is coming it will add years to my life atm lol Because otherwise i might as well upgrade to a 3GS right now to run 4.0
 
While this is disappointing to hear, I can't say that I wasn't expecting it.

My 1st generation iPod Touch will not last forever.
 
I think we can assume that people who own an iPad right now will no longer get support or updates after two or three years. Speculation; perhaps iPad v2 will get 512MB RAM, and iPhone OS 5 or 6 will require 512MB RAM at a minimum. ;)

How many people are willing to replace electronics every one to three years? I must be the odd man out in this consumerist environment - I have a three year old iPhone, three year old TV, five year old laptop, five year old DSLR... a ten year old car, 1950's house, etc. Oh well, to each their own - certainly enough such people to keep Apple's stock climbing. :)

In the meantime, I'm waiting at least until iPad v2 to contemplate purchasing one. :cool:
 
SkippyThorson said:
"Thanks for paying $600 for the first iPhone back when we began. We now wanted to say, since the price has dropped $400 for the same model, we'd like to also drop you, and ram a pole through your mouth, in your intestine, and out the other side. Have an awesome day." - Steve-o & Co.

In all seriousness, I understand him. It's time to update for me anyway. My phone has cooked it Wifi chip, and now only works off Edge. In its defense though, it is 2 and a half years old. I want to upgrade anyhow, and it'll still continue to work. It's fine I guess.
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It's a little frustrating that a $600 product (incl. subsidy) is good for only 2-3 years. Yes, I understand new things come along, but if it's physically breaking and its hardware can't keep up . . . it makes me think twice about doling out that kind of dough on a regular basis.
 
There is one part of the MacRumors story that likely needs correction:

"Only the iPhone 3GS and third-generation iPod touch (and future hardware) will support all of the features of iPhone OS 4."

Jobs was very careful to say that the iPhone 3Gs would support the features demonstrated on that day, and I believe did some verbal hedging when he mentioned the 3Gs and features. There will be iPhone OS 4 features that will only appear on the new hardware, just as there are 3.x features on the 3Gs that are not available on the 3G.
 
How can this news been rated positive, should be all negative ratings, how can drop support be a positive thing? Do people really change phone every 6 months like some one mentioned here?

We plan to use the original iphone for 6 years and maybe more if it does not break, is that not possible? My parents' PC is nearly 7 year old and still benefit from a OS (win 7) upgrade and no compatibility issue. While understandable, I don't see why people consider dropping new software support for a 2 year old device is what things should be.
 
macridah said:
I've been waiting for a new iPhone model and/or OS 4 to upgrade my original iPhone, so complaint from me.
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Didn't you notice that the 3G had features the original phone didn't? and the 3GS had features the 3G didn't? You were expecting software that's been designed for the brand new hardware of today to be supported on your 3 year old piece of technology? :confused:

If you've been waiting for a new iPhone model to upgrade, then you shouldn't be complaining, a new one is coming close to the same time the software gets released, it's a good thing you waited... wait sorry, it's a good thing Apple made you wait, you're being rewarded :]
 
MacRumors said:
"...one of his typically terse emails." - "Sorry, no."
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You've got to be a real pu$$y to consider that a terse email. Direct and without fluff? Sure - and who would want a person in his position to be anything less?
 
Big deal. I've had the 1st gen iPhone in use longer than any previous mobile phone I've owned. It's very well put together.
 
I get it too (so why all the negative ratings on this story)?

Back when I owned several different makes and models of PalmOS based smartphones, they never gave me a single OS upgrade for ANY of them! I had to buy a new phone if I wanted a better revision of PalmOS.

It's not a PC ... it's a cellphone. Whether or not you get any upgrades for it, as long as it's not broken, it still makes and takes calls, lets you send and receive your text messages, and all the other stuff such a device is expected to do.

Beyond that? If you keep your iPhone in decent condition, you should have a really easy time reselling it after you get a couple years of use out of it. Use that money to offset the cost of an upgrade to the latest version, and you'll find you really haven't paid that much "out of pocket" to move up to the latest. (Computer users are used to spending $130 or more to move up to a new OS, right?)


dante@sisna.com said:
I get it. We have to upgrade.

I am an original iPhone user and I am not bitter about this.

I understand it's just business.

The first gen iPhone is starting to show it's age; I doubt it's hardware could support the upgrade.
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