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Android Smartphone Sales Exceed iPhone in the U.S. for First Time

0092762 said:
"Normal people" are perfectly fine with the iphone SMS app, and getting additional features when Apple releases an OS upgrade.
Only geeks who spend too much time with their phones want all that stuff, not people who have important things to do.
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So normal people will take what Apple gives them and tough **** if they don't like it.

I'm glad I'm not a "normal person" because I like choice.

Max(IT) said:
Cmon, try to be' honest: now you are in love with your Nexus One. It's fine. But it is IMPOSSIBLE to find someone who don't like the iPhone. Only real Apple heaters could say something like that, just because it has an apple on the back cover.
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I don't like the iPhone, and I'm not an Apple hater. Perhaps I haven't drank the Kool-Aid and pledge allegiance to Steve Jobs like everyone else has, but I'm not an Apple hater.
 
yg17 said:
I don't like the iPhone, and I'm not an Apple hater. Perhaps I haven't drank the Kool-Aid and pledge allegiance to Steve Jobs like everyone else has, but I'm not an Apple hater.
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Nice try, but it is very difficult to believe ;)
 
Interesting developments. History does indeed rhyme!

Unlike others, I think this battle does matter to non-geeks because of network effects of a platform. If the iPhone starts to lose it's lead, developers will migrate to other platforms and the pace of grassroots "innovation" may slow. Eventually the iPhone could become a marginalized platform like OSX - relegated to a small percent of users who live in a completely different (and incompatible) world than the rest of the world - who must suffer with second rate ports of a limited number of apps. that is... until the iDroid emulator app comes along. :D

So I disagree that this is a topic only for nerds. But I do think the war will not be won by specific technical features but rather things like marketing, strategic business alliances, breadth of the product category, pricing and service bundles, etc. And on these points RIGHT NOW the Android story is looking a lot more compelling than the iPhone. The carrier issue will eventually be solved, but I just don't see Apple offering the breadth of product for iPhones that will be available across all mfgs for 'droids.

Second, the Flash problem will remain an achilles heel for Apple - I'm no lover of Adobe products, but a phone that can only access parts of the internet is... well... "broken" to most laypersons. You can imagine a salesperson in Verizon in 2011 demoing two phones and visiting different websites and the iPhone showing the lame broken lego brick for hulu.com, etc - which one are YOU going to pick? On this point there is obviously a lot of posturing going on, and God help us if the issue isn't resolved by 2011.

Side topic: Is it possible to ignore posts by single users ( I'm specifically thinking the tedious posts of "wall of text" lagunasol ) or do I just have to scroll past them?
 
harveydumptruck said:
You can imagine a salesperson in Verizon in 2011 demoing two phones and visiting different websites and the iPhone showing the lame broken lego brick for hulu.com, etc - which one are YOU going to pick?
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Newsflash: Hulu doesn't work on Android either (even with Flash).

harveydumptruck said:
Side topic: Is it possible to ignore posts by single users ( I'm specifically thinking the tedious posts of "wall of text" lagunasol ) or do I just have to scroll past them?
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LOL! Wall of text? You may want to look in the mirror (i.e. check your own post). Tedious indeed.
 
ChazUK said:
People were criticizing the G1 for not having Android 2.1 and for Android not being "open". I showed Android 2.1 running on the G1, thanks to it being "open".

The iPhone 2G is currently stuck on 3.1.3 with no way to upgrade whatsoever. Then people start to say someone "might" hack 4.0 onto the 2g.

I have never said that the current OS situation with Android was perfect so I have no idea where you got that from.

Soon we won't have a single OS, we'll be stuck with 2G owners with 3.1.3 and no iAd functionality (what happens to ad supported apps here?), 3G owners with 4.0+ but no multitasking, 3GS owners with 4.0+ with multitasking plus whatever comes extra to the next iPhone that the 3GS is missing. iPad will be stuck on 3.2 until fall and iPod touch owners will have varying splintered OS versions depending on if they want to pay to upgrade.

Hardly a "single OS" situation IMO.
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or people will just throw their 2G iphone in the trash and buy a new one? this is a cell phone, not one of the old overpriced Mac's that people kept and treasured for years
 
alent1234 said:
or people will just throw their 2G iphone in the trash and buy a new one? this is a cell phone, not one of the old overpriced Mac's that people kept and treasured for years
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Wouldn't the same thing apply to G1 owners? We'll criticise HTC for not supporting the G1 but as soon as Apple drops support for one of its handsets, it's considered disposable.

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Hal Itosis said:
What a strange question. Perhaps you don't create and/or modify any playlists (?). I have tons. [but —beyond music —all sorts of stuff (contacts, events, bookmarks, notes, apps, etc.) gets synced.]
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Yes, syncing all those things is great, but being forced to sync through iTunes only is not exactly the best scenario. I'd rather there be an API that allows anyone to write a product that syncs with the device. Being able to sync over the air would be nice too, especially without having to subscribe to the mostly superfluous MobileMe.

Hell, I was glad I could sync my contacts and calendar over-the-air with Google (via the iPhone's MS Exchange support) instead of having to do by connecting my phone to a computer and using iTunes.

LagunaSol said:
Uh oh, it's one of those "I like to drag and drop my music files to my device the ancient WinAmp way" guys.

Probably prefers vinyl records too. ;)
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I'm not against syncing, I'm against being forced to use iTunes only. And I actually thinking having to physically connect to a computer to sync is backwards, there needs to be more over-the-air syncing.

I did like WinAmp 5, back in the day, but ditched it when I switched completely to Linux and started using Amarok. I was able to sync my iPod with Amarok at the time and it was nice not being forced to use iTunes for this. (I know you can now sync iPhones in Linux now, but it took some hacking for them to get that working)

Android has the advantage here. You are not forced into one particular model of syncing. You don't even need a computer to use an Android phone.

I'm not saying that iTunes is a terrible product or anything. It works quite nicely. But it doesn't work exactly how I want. And as a software developer, I could write an app which does, it just wouldn't be able to reliably sync music with the iPhone. And it's not like I could write an app for the iPhone that syncs with my app, because it would duplicate functionality and Apple would never approve the app.

Oh, and I'm ready to ditch my vinyl collection and my 3 turntables. However, my girlfriend isn't :) At home, we mostly listen to music streamed from iTunes to an AirPort Express.
 
Max(IT) said:
Nice try, but it is very difficult to believe ;)
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I think one of my post is appropriate here :

KnightWRX said:
Black or white much ? :rolleyes:

People, stop polarizing posters. I'm not a Apple hater because I don't like their iPhone OS politics. I'm not an Apple fanboy because I like their computer hardware or OS X. I'm not a Nokia fanboy because I think they should get paid their license fees for their patents. I'm not an Apple fanboy because I think Psystar was wrong. I'm not a Google fanboy because I think Android is innovative and a great product.
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Seriously, not liking the iPhone doesn't make you a Apple hater. BTW Laguna, that was the strawman here, not what the other poster replied.
 
if you think Android is "innovative", when it is just another "iPhone wannabe", you are not a fanboy: you are a Google shareholder :D:D:D
 
Max(IT) said:
Apple lost the PC war ? Are you serious ? Name a single computer manufacturer that could influence the pc market more than Apple. Name a single manufacturer that could actually "innovate" and others follow. Hp, Dell ... they have huge market share, but they are simply producing more of the same ...
Apple is not perfect, but sometimes they really change the pc market (and they DID change the phone market).
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What's in the PC sector that apple innovated? Seriously. I see improved devices with big price tag + the iPad that misses 90% of the internet due to the fact that Jobs is scared to let Flash apps run so he can control the content.

Then there's the "rest" of the market with machines that give you 30-50% improved performance at usually lower price.

Just visit alienware (poor HP) and see what you can fit into a laptop. It will take a decade to see that in iWorld.

Hype and looks is not innovation.
 
Max(IT) said:
Nice try, but it is very difficult to believe ;)
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Why is that? I ditched the iPhone for G1 and now I'm loving my nexus.
And you can be sure I'm not going back because Android gives me more than I would ever need and it doesn't cost me a dime apart from my monthly plan bill which is under $70 with everything unlimited.
 
KnightWRX said:
And comments like this shows you're a bigot.
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Oh please. People around here throw the "Apple fanboy" card all day long. They're bigots too I assume.

KnightWRX said:
Android was around in 2005, way before the iPhone.
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Android (the company) was "around" in 2005 (they were acquired by Google in 2005) - but there was no actual product.

iPhone, consequently, was also "around" in 2005.

Claiming a vaporous Android predated iPhone is silly.

iPhone shipped long before Android. I think actual products are what count here, not rumors and innuendo.

D4F said:
What's in the PC sector that apple innovated? Seriously. I see improved devices with big price tag + the iPad that misses 90% of the internet due to the fact that Jobs is scared to let Flash apps run so he can control the content.
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90% of the Web is Flash now? Amazing!

:rolleyes:

(I think what you meant to say is "90% of Internet banner ads.")

D4F said:
Just visit alienware (poor HP) and see what you can fit into a laptop. It will take a decade to see that in iWorld.
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I have an HP laptop (employer-supplied), and not a cheapo model either. I'd take a MacBook Pro over this POS any day of the week.

D4F said:
Hype and looks is not innovation.
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So why do you own one if they are so inferior?
 
LagunaSol said:
Android (the company) was "around" in 2005 (they were acquired by Google in 2005) - but there was no actual product.

iPhone, consequently, was also "around" in 2005.

Claiming a vaporous Android predated iPhone is silly.

iPhone shipped long before Android. I think actual products are what count here, not rumors and innuendo.
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I'm not claiming Android predates the iPhone (even though at least they had something to show in 2005. Apple didn't). I'm claiming Android is not an "iPhone wannabe" since when it got created, the people who did had no clue what an iPhone even was.

Not to mention with everything different about Android over iPhone, I fail to see where the "wannabe" part comes in.

LagunaSol said:
Oh please. People around here throw the "Apple fanboy" card all day long. They're bigots too I assume.
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But a few people around here are Apple fanboys. Real ones, not just "I made one positive comment about this Macbook" fanboy. The "Apple does no wrong" crowd. They're easy to spot, but require astute observation of many threads to identify. I could name a few if you want, and we could go over their posting history to see if they ever have posted something negative about Apple, let alone posted something positive about any other company. I'm sure we'll find no such posts out of them.

There are also Apple haters. Same thing applies to them.

But the greatest majority of people on this site (not the most vocal majority, the fanboys and haters usually have the highest post counts) are balanced and objective. They get called XX Fanboy XX Hater depending on their stance in about every thread. That has really got to stop. We know the real haters/fanboys, no need to point them out. And no need to point fingers at people for 1 post or 1 opinion on 1 subject.
 
KnightWRX said:
I'm not claiming Android predates the iPhone (even though at least they had something to show in 2005. Apple didn't).
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Probably because Apple doesn't demonstrate products in development. I'm sure Apple had plenty "to show" in 2005 had they chosen to do so. That's not how Apple operates.

KnightWRX said:
But a few people around here are Apple fanboys. Real ones, not just "I made one positive comment about this Macbook" fanboy. The "Apple does no wrong" crowd.
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I get called an Apple fanboy all the time just because I don't agree with the endless stream of trollish drivel spewed around here. I hardly think Apple is perfect and I've been critical in plenty of posts. Nonetheless, the fanboy card gets thrown when someone has no intelligent argument to make.

I think a lot of the "Apple does no wrong" commentary is simply in response to the endless "Apple does no right" commentary that seems to be growing in volume. It's hard to have a rational good v. bad discussion with the trolls throwing their stinkbombs in every direction.

There used to be a lot more intelligent discussion regarding Apple (pro and con) back in the days before the troll invasion hit. It seems to get worse around here every day.
 
Max(IT) said:
Android OS is powerfull, but it is a mess ...
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Welcome to the rest of the Linux world. Enjoy your stay in one of our fine hotels, each named after a mental disease that causes mental retardation...

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These numbers still don't mean much to a lot of people outside the US and especially downunder. Getting anything over an HTC Magic is like pulling teeth. Plus CDMA is dead here so that rules out the Motorola Droid.
 
D4F said:
Hype and looks is not innovation.
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Apple by every meaning of the word in an innovative company. Hardware, Software...

innovate |ˈinəˌvāt|
verb [ intrans. ]

make changes in something established, esp. by introducing new methods, ideas, or products : the company's failure to diversify and innovate competitively.

• [ trans. ] introduce (something new, esp. a product) : innovating new products, developing existing ones.
 
D4F said:
Just visit alienware (poor HP) and see what you can fit into a laptop. It will take a decade to see that in iWorld.

Hype and looks is not innovation.
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Thanks God we are not going to see nothing like Alienware crapbook from Apple :rolleyes:

yg17 said:
If you don't have anything constructive to add to the thread, don't post.
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Oh man, I'm so sorry. I know, I know, if you don't bash Apple in this forum you are not so cool .... :eek:

LagunaSol said:
90% of the Web is Flash now? Amazing!

:rolleyes:
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don't you know ? 90% of web advertising is Flash based :D
With an iPad you are going to miss most of it :D
 
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