Hahahahaha. That would be funny if all this hoopla was over the 3.25 version. Maybe it's ther big public announcement over there small update that most of us have had for a few weeks already.
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Hahahahaha. That would be funny if all this hoopla was over the 3.25 version. Maybe it's ther big public announcement over there small update that most of us have had for a few weeks already.
Originally posted by MacBandit
Hahahahaha. That would be funny if all this hoopla was over the 3.25 version. Maybe it's ther big public announcement over there small update that most of us have had for a few weeks already.
I doubt it's something as minor as that. The hype was about a new core, as opposed to a client update. That's why it's an automatic update, and you don't have to do anything about it. Besides, they were talking about SSE etc. optimisations, and the windows client hasn't been updated.
Let's see if our daily figures start rising, now that altivec is apparently supported.....
Got my first Gromacs unit today thanks to mc68k's scripts. Hopefully the AltiVec optimization will speed things up quite a bit.
I was just trying to comprehend the projects page for Folding@Home.
http://folding.stanford.edu/psummary.html
Here's what I think. I don't think we will see any speed increase out of the Gromacs units because they are more complex units. Just look at the number of atoms in them. The biggest number of atoms in the non-Gromacs units is about 675. Now the Gromacs units start with around 12000 atoms. I think they must be using a G4 Mac to determine the points awarded and time required for these units and therefore we will not see a boost to our scores because of these units because the scale has been changed accordingly. Kind of sucks if you ask me.
http://folding.stanford.edu/psummary.html
Here's what I think. I don't think we will see any speed increase out of the Gromacs units because they are more complex units. Just look at the number of atoms in them. The biggest number of atoms in the non-Gromacs units is about 675. Now the Gromacs units start with around 12000 atoms. I think they must be using a G4 Mac to determine the points awarded and time required for these units and therefore we will not see a boost to our scores because of these units because the scale has been changed accordingly. Kind of sucks if you ask me.
I don't know about that. Have you taken a look at the number of atoms in these projects? It seems like they definitely use a different standard for the Gromacs units.
Yes they *obviously* didn't use a 500 MHZ celeron because it aint optomized for, anything!
With such an old model... they have to use something new.
With such an old model... they have to use something new.
Yeah, if you go to Gromacs.org you will see that they recommend AMD systems. I think that's a hint to what they must use for benchmarking.
More importantly if you go there you see Dual G4's kick the snot out of everything else on the list, execpt I think it was dual xeons or something...Itanium? I dunno.
Dual Xeons running two processors at twice the MHz of the G4. Also the G4 outpeforms all the AMD on a MHz to MHz basis in those tests too.
Well I have been processing the gromacs unit P909 for most of today. I just ran the Folding@Home Progress program and it says it will be completed by tomorrow before midnight. This is a 38 point unit. That's approximately 1.1 points/hour. Now I just got done doing p638 which is a TINKER unit and it took nearly 8 full 24 hour days. It's a 70.9 point unit which factors out to be about .37 points/hour. So I definitely think there is a speed advantage to the Gromacs units. I still think that we're doing way more work with the Gromac units then we are with the other units though. Also I know that not all units will process at the same rate but I'll take all of the 909s I can get it will definitely help our overall score.
Sooo wait
the unit hat I am working on now is not a Gromac unit? So I wont see any speed inprovment until my next unit?
the unit hat I am working on now is not a Gromac unit? So I wont see any speed inprovment until my next unit?
Re: Sooo wait
http://folding.stanford.edu/psummary.html
BTW, i just wrote 20 min of stuff saying macbandit it wrong, and then safari desided to make this window disappear.
Probably not. You need to check here:
http://folding.stanford.edu/psummary.html
BTW, i just wrote 20 min of stuff saying macbandit it wrong, and then safari desided to make this window disappear.
Re: Re: Sooo wait
See even Apple is on my side
Hey no really I'll be the first to admit I know absolutely nothing about the processes taken in this whole folding thingamajig.
So what is it I have wrong now?
Originally posted by MrMacman
Probably not. You need to check here:
http://folding.stanford.edu/psummary.html
BTW, i just wrote 20 min of stuff saying macbandit it wrong, and then safari desided to make this window disappear.
See even Apple is on my side
Hey no really I'll be the first to admit I know absolutely nothing about the processes taken in this whole folding thingamajig.
So what is it I have wrong now?
Re: Re: Sooo wait
What he is trying to say before he went on the tirade is that you may get any one of those units each time the folding program downloads a new one. There is no way to choose which one you get.
What he is trying to say before he went on the tirade is that you may get any one of those units each time the folding program downloads a new one. There is no way to choose which one you get.
So I guess you didn't expect someone to actually read through all that did you? Are you planning on being a politician? I say this because you cut out a line that appears to support your statements but when read in complete context doesn't really.
I'm just giving you a bunch of **** I'm not trying to pick a fight.So after reading the whole page what I got from it is the Gromac units do process a lot more data and because of that we will not be processing points quicker. We will be processing a lot more data but the points given will still be based on the overall processor time given to it. Second is that the only thing they are using the Celeron for it to determine the amount of time given to each computer to finish the processing. That's all it has nothing to do with the points alloted for each unit.
Originally posted by MacBandit
So I guess you didn't expect someone to actually read through all that did you? Are you planning on being a politician? I say this because you cut out a line that appears to support your statements but when read in complete context doesn't really.
So after reading the whole page what I got from it is the Gromac units do process a lot more data and because of that we will not be processing points quicker. We will be processing a lot more data but the points given will still be based on the overall processor time given to it. Second is that the only thing they are using the Celeron for it to determine the amount of time given to each computer to finish the processing. That's all it has nothing to do with the points alloted for each unit.
I'm still fairly sure that those of us running G4's will see an increase in our stats. Whilst it's true that stats will continue to be based on the CPU time they require, the benchmarks are set on a non-optimised celeron. That means that if you have a celeron, with none of the optimisations (SSE, 3D-Now, Altivec), then your stats will not increase. However, for those of us using G4's, the inclusion of altivec support will mean that units are processed faster, when compared to the non-altivec tinker core.
Also, they clearly state that benchmarks and credits will be set by the celeron.
Such a shame
God damn, I wish safari didn't close my damn window... I could have nailed that last night!
Small proformance gain, but for ALL.
Small proformance gain, but for ALL.
Originally posted by britboy
I'm still fairly sure that those of us running G4's will see an increase in our stats. Whilst it's true that stats will continue to be based on the CPU time they require, the benchmarks are set on a non-optimised celeron. That means that if you have a celeron, with none of the optimisations (SSE, 3D-Now, Altivec), then your stats will not increase. However, for those of us using G4's, the inclusion of altivec support will mean that units are processed faster, when compared to the non-altivec tinker core.
Also, they clearly state that benchmarks and credits will be set by the celeron.
Such a shame
So I gues that means time will only tell. For my sake I hope I'm wrong we can use all the help we can get.