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wheelhot

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So it seems that the next MBP revision will likely uses USB Type C ports, question is, how many ports will Apple give since that same port is USB, Thunderbolt 3, DisplayPort as well. I love the amount of ports that the rMBP has but this is Apple we're talking about who loves to reduce the number of holes from their notebook. Look at how they unified the headphone and microphone jack in their MB and 13" rMBPs. And I wonder does this mean Skylake will be the big update.

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As long as USB-C isn't mainstream in that data sticks/mice/other peripherals don't use it or are widely available without the need for expensive adapters Apple shouldn't even consider it. Sure, add 2 of them on your machines but don't remove any other ports from it. Hell, an extra USB3 port wouldn't be a bad idea.
 

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As long as USB-C isn't mainstream in that data sticks/mice/other peripherals don't use it or are widely available without the need for expensive adapters Apple shouldn't even consider it..
But they have - the MacBook. The very reasons you post were not considered when they rolled out a brand new computer line (that looks a lot like the old MBA computer line ;) )

Apple's done this in the past, take USB - they adopted USB in the Bondi Blue iMac over legacy ports that they had previously.

I'm not saying they'll do it with the MBP redesign, but I won't put it past them
 

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But they have - the MacBook. The very reasons you post were not considered when they rolled out a brand new computer line (that looks a lot like the old MBA computer line ;) )

Apple's done this in the past, take USB - they adopted USB in the Bondi Blue iMac over legacy ports that they had previously.

I'm not saying they'll do it with the MBP redesign, but I won't put it past them
I sort of disagree here, the adoption of USB C was to further their vision for an ultraslim computer to it's logical conclusion, the macbook is an ultraportable with no pretensions at needing to be plugged into anything at all, in fact apple are discouraging it. That can't be said of the MBP I would expect 4 USB C ports and they'll take up less space.
 

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Four ports would make sense. Hopefully not fewer.
Eventually Type-C will be everywhere. I don't think Apple will keep some old ports around just for the transition period. Not really Apple's style.
 

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I could see Apple replacing all of the USB ports on the Macbook Pro with this new port. It would allow them to make the device thinner and deliver more functionality. If you have an old USB or thunderbolt device, buy an adapter. I think Apple will have at least 3 of these ports on the Skylake model, maybe 4.
 

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I sort of disagree here, the adoption of USB C was to further their vision for an ultraslim computer to it's logical conclusion,
But that's apple in a nutshell - they bend over backwards to make their products thinner. Its not just limited to the MBA/rMB. They've been doing that for years. I mean why make an iMac so thin - its not even portable.

They also have a history of quickly adopting such things, as I mentioned previously.
 

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But that's apple in a nutshell - they bend over backwards to make their products thinner. Its not just limited to the MBA/rMB. They've been doing that for years. I mean why make an iMac so thin - its not even portable.

They also have a history of quickly adopting such things, as I mentioned previously.
I just thought iot was because they hate optical drives and wanted a good excudse to get rid of them...
 

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Look at how many times they changed the connector for the monitor.
An incomplete listing of what appled had used over the years.
  • Apple Display Connector (ADC)
  • mini-VGA connector
  • DVI connector
  • micro-DVI connector
  • mini-DVI connector
  • mini DisplayPort
  • Thunderbolt
There was a lot of complaining when apple dropped the ADB connector for USB and dropped the Floppy disk in the Bondi Blue mac. I don't see the USB-C being any different. Apple embraced a standard well before anyone else did, and when they did that, there was a lack of peripherals
 

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4 ports please!!!

And my guess is apple can either do:
  1. All 4 port is USB-C + thunderbolt
  2. 2 ports USB-C and 2 ports USB-C + thunderbolt with the thunderbolt symbol to denote that this is an extra special port
  3. 2 ports USB 3 and 2 ports USB-C + thunderbolt
  4. 2 ports USB-C + thunderbolt (please NOT this one!)
 
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leman

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Yes, USB-C is the best thing that has happened to computer interfacing in a long long time. Truly great and fleexible design!

As long as USB-C isn't mainstream in that data sticks/mice/other peripherals don't use it or are widely available without the need for expensive adapters Apple shouldn't even consider it. Sure, add 2 of them on your machines but don't remove any other ports from it. Hell, an extra USB3 port wouldn't be a bad idea.
You should know better by now how Apple operates :) They do not wait for tech to become mainstream, they make tech mainstream. I am fairly sure that Mac laptops will go all USB-C next year. The peripherals will follow very quickly.
 

Binarymix

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4 ports please!!!

And my guess is apple can either do:
  1. All 4 port is USB-C + thunderbolt
  2. 2 ports USB-C and 2 ports USB-C + thunderbolt with the thunderbolt symbol to denote that this is an extra special port
  3. 2 ports USB 3 and 2 ports USB-C + thunderbolt
  4. 2 ports USB-C + thunderbolt (please NOT this one!)
If they are going Thunderbolt 3 I can't see them using plain usb c ports at all, other than the cost (which they'll just pass onto the consumer) what would be the benefit?
 

leman

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4 ports please!!!

And my guess is apple can either do:
  1. All 4 port is USB-C + thunderbolt
  2. 2 ports USB-C and 2 ports USB-C + thunderbolt with the thunderbolt symbol to denote that this is an extra special port
  3. 2 ports USB 3 and 2 ports USB-C + thunderbolt
  4. 2 ports USB-C + thunderbolt (please NOT this one!)
I am quite sure that all USB-C ports Apple uses will have TB backend. Anything else would be very Apple-unlike.
 

Gildarts

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It's going to be epic. Redesigns for the Macbook Pros. And the next Mac Pro! Gosh, I wonder how many ports they'll put on it. Hopefully they won't make it a lot thinner (battery life).

I think the Macbook Air will stick around as a legacy product and that there will be a new line of MacBooks that will be the future.
 

Will0827

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If they are going Thunderbolt 3 I can't see them using plain usb c ports at all, other than the cost (which they'll just pass onto the consumer) what would be the benefit?
My thought for the next MBP was to have 3 ports, 2 being thunderbolt and a single USB 3.1, and for the MB 2 ports one thunderbolt and the other USB 3.1, it is a good point you bring up as to why not have all the ports be thunderbolt. It does also make the most sense, the user will know that all the ports do exactly the same thing.

ETA: I wouldn't be surprised if the MBP's got redesigned this year to USB-C, having just released the Macbook with a single USB-C port why not come out in front with their main machine.
 
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MacRazySwe

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I look forward to the day when we use one port for everything. Also, this is great for the future of notebooks, seeing as they will be able to get vastly thinner without really sacrificing much in terms of usability.

However....

I think it'll be a while before TVs start to adopt USB-C for video input, printers exchange USB for USB-c ports, external drives et c, heck even the iPhones ship with normal USB to lightning cables and even Apple has yet to come out with a USB-c to lightning...Schools, institutions, and large firms probably won't transition to USB-c products in 5-10 years.

So what this means really is that if Apple releases new computers with only USB-c, I will be forced to upgrade all old peripherals such as printers, external drives, thumb drives, et c, OR be stuck with plenty of adapters on my desk, neither of which I'm looking forward to really.

Sure, they may release new cables and all that but it will probably be a while..
 

Binarymix

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My thought for the next MBP was to have 3 ports, 2 being thunderbolt and a single USB 3.1, and for the MB 2 ports one thunderbolt and the other USB 3.1, it is a good point you bring up as to why not have all the ports be thunderbolt. It does also make the most sense, the user will know that all the ports do exactly the same thing.
Exactly. It's Apples style. Simplicity.

In another thread I read about the power port issue, being that which port would you charge from? When technically it could be any. Maybe we'll see the return of the magsafe just to thwart the confusion of charging (or on the MBPro's case, keeping magsafe).
 

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So it seems that the next MBP revision will likely uses USB Type C ports, question is, how many ports will Apple give since that same port is USB, Thunderbolt 3, DisplayPort as well. I love the amount of ports that the rMBP has but this is Apple we're talking about who loves to reduce the number of holes from their notebook. Look at how they unified the headphone and microphone jack in their MB and 13" rMBPs. And I wonder does this mean Skylake will be the big update.

source: Link 1, Link 2
My hope is that they replace the 2 existing DP/TB ports, and, leave everything else the same at first. Just like the FireWire transition. The problem with going to, as some have suggested, 4 Type C/everything ports is that I'm going to have to carry a bundle of adapter cables and a dock wherever I go.

But they have - the MacBook. The very reasons you post were not considered when they rolled out a brand new computer line (that looks a lot like the old MBA computer line ;) )

Apple's done this in the past, take USB - they adopted USB in the Bondi Blue iMac over legacy ports that they had previously.

I'm not saying they'll do it with the MBP redesign, but I won't put it past them
Agreed. I'm concerned.

I sort of disagree here, the adoption of USB C was to further their vision for an ultraslim computer to it's logical conclusion, the macbook is an ultraportable with no pretensions at needing to be plugged into anything at all, in fact apple are discouraging it. That can't be said of the MBP I would expect 4 USB C ports and they'll take up less space.
As long as they stop trying to turn the MBP into an ultraportable. They already have the new Macbook and the Air. If the MBP follows suit, they will have three overlapping product lines and no portable workstation product line.

Four ports would make sense. Hopefully not fewer.
Eventually Type-C will be everywhere. I don't think Apple will keep some old ports around just for the transition period. Not really Apple's style.
That was not the case in the past. Apple did a decent job with the FW400 -> FW800 transition. Why should/would they screw this up? There is also the question of the sheer number of connections. Ethernet, High-Res display, keyboard, mouse, backup or big data (movies, pictures, data) drive, legacy FW drive or audio device or ... There is a reason why there are lots of ports overall. If everything is Type-C, you will need 7 ports and 6 of those will have dongles on them.

Yes, USB-C is the best thing that has happened to computer interfacing in a long long time. Truly great and fleexible design!



You should know better by now how Apple operates :) They do not wait for tech to become mainstream, they make tech mainstream. I am fairly sure that Mac laptops will go all USB-C next year. The peripherals will follow very quickly.
I'm OK with adding a couple of USB-C ports. I'm not OK with removing all the other ports.

Exactly. It's Apples style. Simplicity.

In another thread I read about the power port issue, being that which port would you charge from? When technically it could be any. Maybe we'll see the return of the magsafe just to thwart the confusion of charging (or on the MBPro's case, keeping magsafe).
I deal with this every day. It isn't simple now, and USB-C could make it a lot worse. I already have the Ethernet dongle and DVI dongle. Now, I'm going to need a dock to connect the Ethernet, keyboard, mouse, and storage. If everything is USB-C, I'm going to have to carry around a dock. More weight, less simple. That is the real world, not the marketing fantasy of the system floating around mid-air not connected to anything.
 

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I can see Apple at the very least switch all USB 3.0 ports for USB-C. Since USB-C is supposed to support Thunderbolt too, they might get rid of them too. The issue though, is that I don't see how a MBP would look like with only USB-C ports on one side (they could keep HDMI and SD card reader on the other side).

If they go the USB-C route, they need to have at least 4 on one side, and one on the other.
 

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But that's apple in a nutshell - they bend over backwards to make their products thinner. Its not just limited to the MBA/rMB. They've been doing that for years. I mean why make an iMac so thin - its not even portable.

They also have a history of quickly adopting such things, as I mentioned previously.
Gotta agree here. They'll shed anything they can to make the design thinner. Make the argument a laptop should be more portable, and the 15" still has more than adequate power. But they're doing it in the Mac Pro and iMac, which are desktops. I'm not sure a redesign will come with skylake, but when it does come, expect thinner at the expense of connectivity.
 

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Gotta agree here. They'll shed anything they can to make the design thinner. Make the argument a laptop should be more portable, and the 15" still has more than adequate power. But they're doing it in the Mac Pro and iMac, which are desktops. I'm not sure a redesign will come with skylake, but when it does come, expect thinner at the expense of connectivity.
I have a feeling that when Skylake arrives it'll be a redesign cause of the change of form factor in TB3 port, it's now compatible with USB Type-C and knowing Apple, they might just give users 4 USB-C port with 2 of them being Thunderbolt 3 compatible.

Also if I recalled correctly, my pre-unibody MBP was given a multi touch trackpad module and the following revision, unibody MBP was released. Kinda similar to how it is now, current rMBPs are given the force touch trackpad so I feel that Skylake will really be the redesign and about time since the unibody MBP was released in Late 2008.

And probably CES 2016 will have lots of USB Type-C accessories on show.
 

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In theory, since these ports are interchangeable, we shouldn't really need more than 2, though I am hoping for at least 4. I like the idea of having at least one on each side so we can charge and insert the cable from either side. Don't need to charge it? Plug an additional monitor into that port then. Don't need display ports? Then use all of them as data.

I like the idea of having no "wrong", redundant or unnecessary ports on a space-constrained device like a laptop.
 

wheelhot

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In theory, since these ports are interchangeable, we shouldn't really need more than 2, though I am hoping for at least 4. I like the idea of having at least one on each side so we can charge and insert the cable from either side. Don't need to charge it? Plug an additional monitor into that port then. Don't need display ports? Then use all of them as data.

I like the idea of having no "wrong", redundant or unnecessary ports on a space-constrained device like a laptop.
Well you do need more then 2. 1 USB for thumb drive, 1 USB for Monitor (if the monitor doesn't have USB extension), 1 USB for mouse, 1 USB for external hard drive, so that's already 4 USB in usage and we can swap the monitor to external memory card reader. So I really hope Apple use logical reasoning on this one.
 
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