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10.2.4 - Still Waiting

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You guys seem to have a TON of issues with iChat, myself i dont have that many issues, there are small things here and there, but nothing worth moaning about really, i find it just needs a few pick me ups.

Mainly that lies along the lines of tiny inconsistancies and small glitches, i personally have never had trouble sending any files or joingin or creating group chats, or chaging user information, or chaging info in my buddy list at all.
 
Pre-Bronze powerbooks?

"Pre-bronze" PB support? Seems to me they're not finished supporting the Bronze PBs yet, specifically the Lombard (1999): there's no DVD playback in OSX yet, AFAIK (I've definitely tried under 10.2.2, can't remember if I've also tried 10.2.3).

I would also like a way to use my Irez Capsure card with this machine for full-screen video playback. irez appears to be out of business (web site has a page that says only "Please wait, loading page", so I'm not holding my breath for the OS X drivers they used to promise).

Anyone know of workarounds for these things?
 
Re: off topic....

Originally posted by DreaminDirector
Is there a coded name that comes before "golden master" (i.e. silver master, bronze master and so on)?
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"Gold" in "Gold Master" refers to the color of the CD-R disk (old CD-R disks were universally gold in color) that is sent to the duplication/pressing facility, not to the relative quality of the build. Hence, there is no "silver" or "bronze" master.
 
I HATE ichat.

You can turn the text bubbles off, yes. That helps a little.

But Adium destroys it. Adium sorts your contact list alpahbetically, auto-resizes the buddy list window, sorts away and idle people to the bototm, is 100x more customizable than iChat, and most importantly, IT HAS TABBED IMs.

Once you use tabbed IMs, you cannot go back to regular IMing. I can talk to 10 people and it all stays in one nice window, with an ingenius little icon next to each name which gives detailed status information.

If you are not already using Adium, you should be. It's rock solid, feature packed, and much more elegant and OSX-looking than Apple's IM program.
 
Re: Re: iChat

Originally posted by minimac


I don't have my iBook with me but I'm pretty sure there is a logging option to save chats, although the interface could use some work from what I remember. And I thought you could turn the speech bubbles off too.

There's plenty of things in iChat that need fixed and added, I hope the update comes soon...
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you're exactly right. iChat "does" both no-bubbles and logging. it's just counterintuitive to get to (which is generally against apple's philosophy. to turn the bubbles off, ctrl-click on any ichat window (you can also adjust the look of your buddy list [take off the icons, etc.] by clicking the left-most button on the bottom; from there there's a nice little menu there. )

logging is also an option, but it sounds like it's not too good. there are 3rd party software mods to iChat everywhere; iChat enhancer utilizes the Application enhancer engine and is very nice for getting <br> and multiple lines in iChat. i have certainly seen several log managers around.

personally, my biggest issue is away messages/profiles. apple's support is almost literally nonexistant. you can put your status up, but it's basically one line only. i have friends who make entire songs into away messages, and iChat grossly turns this into a single line that spans the screen and still doesn't show the away message. what a joke. you have to IM the person to see the away message, which i'd rather not do. also, it doesn't send my away message to others when they IM me, like AIM does. the other thing, as i said, is profiles. you really can't make much of one, if you can at all (i haven't seen where you can), and i can't even click on frickin links in my friends' profiles. there is not specific button to quickly see their profile (the one in the buddy list goes to their other info, with the profile as a tab, which is useless to me, and you can't resize the window or scroll it (with a scrollbar; you can highlight text and use the up and down keys). it's not good at all. those 2 areas are in the worst need of change, as to me they are some of the simplest, most basic things. mpeg-4 video conferencing is way out there; it's a great feature, sure, but that goes way beyond the basic features. i think they should get those running first.
 
Originally posted by springscansing
I HATE ichat.

You can turn the text bubbles off, yes. That helps a little.

But Adium destroys it. Adium sorts your contact list alpahbetically, auto-resizes the buddy list window, sorts away and idle people to the bototm, is 100x more customizable than iChat, and most importantly, IT HAS TABBED IMs.

Once you use tabbed IMs, you cannot go back to regular IMing. I can talk to 10 people and it all stays in one nice window, with an ingenius little icon next to each name which gives detailed status information.

If you are not already using Adium, you should be. It's rock solid, feature packed, and much more elegant and OSX-looking than Apple's IM program.
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does it support away messages and profiles right?
 
Well. . .

Originally posted by springscansing
I HATE ichat.

You can turn the text bubbles off, yes. That helps a little.

But Adium destroys it. Adium sorts your contact list alpahbetically, auto-resizes the buddy list window, sorts away and idle people to the bototm, is 100x more customizable than iChat, and most importantly, IT HAS TABBED IMs.

Once you use tabbed IMs, you cannot go back to regular IMing. I can talk to 10 people and it all stays in one nice window, with an ingenius little icon next to each name which gives detailed status information.

If you are not already using Adium, you should be. It's rock solid, feature packed, and much more elegant and OSX-looking than Apple's IM program.
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Hence "1.0.1 (v51.4)".:rolleyes:
 
Quartz Extreme Question

I used the quartz extreme tool that was posted here a few days ago and turned it off, i had to do a reformat for other reasons. My question is when i wiped my HD clean and re installed 10.2 is quartz automatically turned back on or do i have to use the tool again to do it?
 
Originally posted by springscansing
I HATE ichat.

You can turn the text bubbles off, yes. That helps a little.

But Adium destroys it. Adium sorts your contact list alpahbetically, auto-resizes the buddy list window, sorts away and idle people to the bototm, is 100x more customizable than iChat, and most importantly, IT HAS TABBED IMs.

Once you use tabbed IMs, you cannot go back to regular IMing. I can talk to 10 people and it all stays in one nice window, with an ingenius little icon next to each name which gives detailed status information.

If you are not already using Adium, you should be. It's rock solid, feature packed, and much more elegant and OSX-looking than Apple's IM program.
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barring the tabbed messaging, just about everything you mentioned is in iChat too. oh, i could use the auto resize feature, too, yeah. the profile support is nice, but there is absolutely no support for away messages whatsoever. you know in aim, how you can right click on a contact and see their away message in their profile? this is basically what i am after. it's an unthinkably easy feature to implement (if you have rights from AOL, which apple most certainly does. Adium does not, nor do any other programs like it, odf which thee are better than adium).

[edit] yes, i DLed it and checked it out, if just cursitorily. it's not THAT much better than iChat. i really would use it if it ran away messages, but iChat's anemic support for them is better at this point. [/edit]
 
Originally posted by Shadowfax
[edit] yes, i DLed it and checked it out, if just cursitorily. it's not THAT much better than iChat. i really would use it if it ran away messages, but iChat's anemic support for them is better at this point. [/edit]
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It does have away messages.

You can save certain ones and use them over again.

Adium wipes the floor with iChat.
 
here you can save and edit your away messages.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Sounds good

Originally posted by tagy
here you go QuartzExtreme.dmg as used in the demo:
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i love you man. this is the best first post EVER. :)

i've wanted this app for quite some time now. i guess dreams can come true.
 
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Originally posted by mc68k
i love you man. this is the best first post EVER. :)

i've wanted this app for quite some time now. i guess dreams can come true. [/B]
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hehe, my system must blow because my CPU bar is constantly on the edge, heck when I move the quartz testing thing alot I can get it to go to 70, wow this iMac is worse than I thought.
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Originally posted by hitman
here you can save and edit your away messages.
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right, but my issue is more of viewing others' away messages without having to IM them.

i can make custom away messages in iChat too.
 
Originally posted by Shadowfax


right, but my issue is more of viewing others' away messages without having to IM them.

i can make custom away messages in iChat too.
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um, i think i'm right in saying that if you just hold the mouse pointer over the person who's away, it will pop up in one of those tool tip things...no need to click or anything, just don't move the mouse for a second or two. works for me when i wanna see a friends (usually ridiculously long quote as an) away msg.
 
iChat Alternatives

When I first purchased Jaguar back in August, I was excited to the point of giddiness to finally be able to ditch AOL's pathetic and unstable AIM program. Unfortunately, as most of us found, iChat was worse. Therefore, I went to look for alternatives. The one program that I use and highly recommend about a million times over is Proteus - tabbed IMs, built in cocoa, and best of all, allows multiple IM clients such as Yahoo!, MSN, or ICQ. And of course AOL. There's still no fix for the not being able to see someone's away message without messaging them issue, but at least other people can see your own away messages. I'll never use anything else again unless Apple really improves iChat....

More about Proteus:
http://www.indigofield.com/about_proteus.php
 
Re: iChat Alternatives

Originally posted by pEZ
When I first purchased Jaguar back in August, I was excited to the point of giddiness to finally be able to ditch AOL's pathetic and unstable AIM program. Unfortunately, as most of us found, iChat was worse. Therefore, I went to look for alternatives. The one program that I use and highly recommend about a million times over is Proteus - tabbed IMs, built in cocoa, and best of all, allows multiple IM clients such as Yahoo!, MSN, or ICQ. And of course AOL. There's still no fix for the not being able to see someone's away message without messaging them issue, but at least other people can see your own away messages. I'll never use anything else again unless Apple really improves iChat....

More about Proteus:
http://www.indigofield.com/about_proteus.php
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rock on dude. that's the one i was thinking of when i was talking about 3rd party things like adium that were better than adium itself. i used proteus for awhile. that was an awesome program, except for the away messages thing. iChat sucks there too, but at least it sort of has them, lol.
 
Originally posted by evoluzione



um, i think i'm right in saying that if you just hold the mouse pointer over the person who's away, it will pop up in one of those tool tip things...no need to click or anything, just don't move the mouse for a second or two. works for me when i wanna see a friends (usually ridiculously long quote as an) away msg.
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yeah, i know, that's what i use too, but it's highly inconsistent, that is, it doesn't always pop everyone. it's so weird. it'll pop every one of them, except for a single one. but the popup spans the screen sometimes and STILL doesn't get it all. and they have line breaks in them too, like when people send song lyrics, and iChat just eats them, not even inputting a space. it does this when you copy and paste text in from elsewhere into a chat too. it annoys me.

like i said, iChat DOES a lot of the little things that even other programs don't do (namely the away message viewing, but they really made it horrible.
 
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