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It definitely is secure, not some crackpot method...I repair permissions after every update personally...

Well, I might for some third party stuff, off the top of my head, if you install an Adobe Flash player plugin update, they're pretty bad at tidying up after themselves.

Otherwise, it's been a very long time since OS X has produced loads of permission errors, be it after install or the really bad days when it would just go about unsetting permissions we'd just corrected.

Most bad things are down to dodgy kext files installed by system add on apps that people swear they haven't installed.

If permissions is cautious, what the hell is PRAM resetting? Flagellation?
 
No probs on my iMac with 10.4.11, hasn't crashed once since installing, speed is just fine. It is an Intel iMac, mind you, so maybe there are probs in the PPC code. I think quite a lot of the PPC code was rewritten, because the typical speed gains on PPC Macs with Leopard have been much better than they have on Intel Macs, from the benchmarks I have seen.
 
Correct me if I am wrong but there's a way for you to know what's being updated. Apple either mentions it in software update and if not it's generally on the website showing a list of fixes and updates, if you neglected to check that out then oh well, that's YOUR bad.
Anyways what's so wrong with Safari 3? I've had no issues.

Way to help there, scooter. May your HD fry in a blaze of glory.
 
well, i've ordered the mybook studio (which i was gonna get anyway, just a bit later) to try and save whatever data i can from the other drive and the format it as HFS+, see if that helps at all.
 
Way to help there, scooter. May your HD fry in a blaze of glory.

Back at cha. Go ahead shoot the messenger. The poster was bitchin' saying Apple shoved something on his computer without him knowing about it and he had a choice to find out first. Some of the posters on here do unnecessary ranting and they blame the wrong people and render themselves blameless when it's almost always user error.

At least I showed him that Apple warned first. Thanks for the reply Mr. Judgemental. :rolleyes:
 
right, so now i need software to recover the data from my external and put it in the mybook studio i just got.
any suggestions?
tech tool pro's data recovery utility does not see the drive sadly...

disk utility can't read from FAT, it says there's an I/O error

any ideas?

i really need help on this one guys, got a lot of stuff in there i'd hate to lose!
 
Try DiskWarrior, but whether or not any of these apps will be successful really depends on the extent of the damage to the drive.

Edit: Oh, wait, your external is FAT32? I don't know if DiskWarrior will be of any use, then.
 
got it, tried it, doesn't support FAT32.

damn!

i want something to see my drive, help me get all the data out and then format it as HFS+

anything out there?
 
right, so now i need software to recover the data from my external and put it in the mybook studio i just got.
any suggestions?
tech tool pro's data recovery utility does not see the drive sadly...

disk utility can't read from FAT, it says there's an I/O error

any ideas?

i really need help on this one guys, got a lot of stuff in there i'd hate to lose!

Relax, you haven't lost any data yet, and you won't until you re-format it.

Is this problem HD USB-2 or FireWire? If it's both, have you tried both? Have you tried different data cables in case one (or both) of yours is bad?

Have you completely unplugged it from all power and data connections and let it sit unplugged for a few minutes? Not just shut off, but completely unplugged from the wall?

Have you tried the drive on a different Mac?

For heaven's sake, don't get frustrated and re-format the drive and lose all your data! It's probably some correctible (but evasive) problem.
 
i've done all that.
i'm not gonna format it before i get the data back, i just need a data recovery program for my mac that reads FAT drives, or a data recovery program for Windows that will let me save the data in chunks and not all in one go.
 
You have my sympathy. My nearly-new MacBook is completely bricked. Just the gray screen on startup, repairing the disk and the permissions did nothing.:(

I don't have Boot Camp, either, though I do have Parallels installed, so maybe that's the same thing.

My vital stuff is all backed up, but this is the second time Apple's done something like this to me, and I'm pretty unhappy about it. I could shrug off the Shuffle because it was sort of cheap, but this is getting to be too much. I've had a Mac since Classics, but I'm beginning to wonder if I shouldn't have just upgraded the PC for half the price.

Say what you want about XP Home and Compaqs, but dang if this thing hasn't given me less trouble than Apple's software updates in the last couple of years.
 
Another 10.4.11 problem

Upgraded from 10.4.10 and now my AirPort connection is unstable (MB C2D), like someone playing with a light switch turning it on and off. This really sucks when I'm on iChat.
 
BIGDaddyJ, i'm gonna try that solution out now and let you know what happens, thanks for the tip.

will take some time cause i'm downloading the 10.4.10 combo.

although i don't think it will help at all since it looks like a usb fix plus this dude's drive worked fine in windows and mine causes windows to ask me to format it when i plug it in, although it does show up properly in My Computer.
will give it a go nonetheless and see what happens...
 
Running 10.4.11 on a MacBook and on a G4 iBook. No problems on either one. Both seem to be running quite smooth.
Sorry for everybody else's issue. Just wanted to point out that it isn't horrible for everyone.
 
right, well, i've followed the steps described in the other topic and voila, guess what, a kernel panic.
restart, get another kernel panic.
unplug the external drive, restart, gets stuck on the light blue screen.
restart again, i get to the screen that starts loading the OS, kernel panic again.
i'm starting to proper panic right about now...
 
Haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if this has been discussed already, but kernel panics are often (but not always) caused by bad RAM, which can cause all sorts of problems that aren't obviously related (most of what you save to your hard drive, for example, will pass through RAM, etc.). Try pulling out some of the removable RAM and see if that makes a difference, could be a bad stick of RAM.
 
i've tried that in the past, tried it now too. ;)
running the apple hardware test now,
will archive and install if that doesn't help.
seriously, if 10.4.11 is to blame for all this, i'm getting Leopard
tomorrow :mad:
 
did the archive and install,
running 10.4.2 now
the drive is still not showing
i think i'll install the 10.4.10 combo and leave it at that.
then i'll upgrade straight to 10.5.1 during xmas.
sound reasonable?
 
did the archive and install,
running 10.4.2 now
the drive is still not showing
i think i'll install the 10.4.10 combo and leave it at that.
then i'll upgrade straight to 10.5.1 during xmas.
sound reasonable?

I'm hoping they'll release 10.5.2 before Christmas break or otherwise users will be screwed over the holiday break.
 
yep, same here,
can't wait to get it up and running here, have had enough of dealing with problems in Tiger, can't wait to deal with Leopard ones :D :D :D
downloaded and installed the 10.4.11 combo update, seems ok.
the archive and install means i have to re-install some apps though,
didn't expect that to happen, kinda sucks.
 
yep, same here,
can't wait to get it up and running here, have had enough of dealing with problems in Tiger, can't wait to deal with Leopard ones :D :D :D
downloaded and installed the 10.4.11 combo update, seems ok.
the archive and install means i have to re-install some apps though,
didn't expect that to happen, kinda sucks.

I hope they fix some major Safari bugs which are exposed when using Google services such as Youtube, Blogger and Gmail.

I have no bitterness against Mac OS X Leopard, but I am annoyed that there seems to urgency or clear communication on Apple's part when it comes to what is happening in the future.
 
Updating OS

Danny W has the right idea.

sk3pt1c, I've got a few suggestions, but read this first (you too, one1):

Standard OS X Support Specialist approach to updates --

1. Repair permisssions.

2. Run fsck (file system check) from the command line (Boot, hold CMD+S after the chime. When prompted at the bottom of all that scary command line stuff, enter '/sbin/fsck -fy' then hit return).

[Reason for fsck is that if you've got directory damage, an OS update may kill the platform. Erase and install may be your only option at that point.]

3. The ultra-cautious among us (though not overly cautious) will boot the machine from an installer CD and repair the disk (at least verify it) with Disk Utility.

4. Don't use Software Update. Download the OS update you need from Apple's web site (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/).

While you're there, read what that update does. (one1 -- Apple usually doesn't tell you that they're going to replace your older software (Safari) with newer software that's part of an update. They think you should be thrilled. READ, my friend, read.)

5. REBOOT IN SAFE MODE! This alone can go along way toward ensuring a smooth install, and a trouble-free update. (Hold the shift key down while starting the Mac. After logging in, run the update. Then restart.)

6. Install the OS update.

6. After install is complete, reboot and repair permissions again.

7. If you want to be super-sure you've done everything you can, run fsck again from the command line.

NOTE: Booting in Safe Mode automatically runs fsck. But it also runs additional checks as well, including font cache deletions. Safe Mode is a pretty good OS X repair function.

Nothing in the above directions is a waste of time. This is the collective wisdom of a fairly large community of OS X techs, on how to update the OS.

sk3pt1c, if you're still with me, here's the bad news: You can't revert to an earlier OS version without doing a ground-up reinstall from the CD, then up the system to where you want it; i.e., start with a 10.4.6 Tiger install disk (for example), then grab the 4.9 or 4.10 update off Apple's download page. (Out of those two, though, 10.4.9 is better.)

Connect your Mac to another Mac with a Firewire cable. Start the other Mac first, then start the bad Mac holding down the 'T' key. (Target disk mode.) Your bad Mac hard drive (internal) should show up on the other Mac's desktop.

Now plug in the external drive. If it doesn't show up on the other Mac's desktop just like the internal drive did, you're not going to be able to recover the data from it using any conventional method. (Unconventional methods are where you pay a genius a boatload of money to recover SOME of your disk, though almost never ALL of it. Note -- this is always cost prohibitive unless you're recovering international trade secrets or Federal Reserve Bank type stuff.)

Reformat it and call it a lesson learned.

If you are able to mount it on the other computer's desktop, repair the disk using Disk Utility.

Reinstall the OS using the install CD, then update it.

Does anybody ever back up their hard drives? Just wondering.
 
no admin PW

how do i wipe the drive if its locked? pressing options at start-up brings a paddlelock and space for PW booting holding C with disc in does not engage. any ideas? its an ibook 800 mhz G3
 
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