10.5.2 Timemachine problem

Discussion in 'macOS' started by dmelgar, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. dmelgar macrumors 68000

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    I had been doing backups using Timemachine just fine before the update to 10.5.2. I had tried to repartition my external drive to limit the amount of space time machine would take up. Trying it on 10.5.1 didn't work, gave an error "no space left on device", even though there's 90 gig free. I then updated to 10.5.2. I get the same error. I tried splitting the free space, this time I got a kernel panic. Argh!

    I had to use disk util to repair the external drive. It says everything is ok now.

    I've never run Timemachine with 10.5.2. Now when I try, it gets stuck and says "Preparing". Forever. backupd stops doing anything.

    In the console I get
    2/12/08 12:23:05 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[295] Waiting for index to be ready (915 > 0)

    I check with spotlight, "mdutil -as". It says indexing it turned off for my external drive, but on for the time machine backup directory. I can't turn it on for the drive overall. When I try to turn it on, it comes back and says its off.

    Any ideas whats wrong or how to get around it? I don't know if Timemachine just isn't working in 10.5.2 anymore or if the partition is somehow messed up.

    Ideas?
     
  2. thefferon macrumors newbie

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    also experiencing major problems with 10.5.2 and Time Machine

    I am having some of the same problems with Time Machine.

    Actually, I can't get it to work at all. I get a few Gigs into the backup, and Time Machine fails, not giving any reason for the failure.

    I tried erasing my backup hard drive and starting from scratch with Time Machine, but still get the failure.
     
  3. keswickjim macrumors newbie

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    I As Well 10.5.2 Timemachine problem

    Yes I am having the same issue. Everything was working flawlessly with TM 10.5.1 I was very excited to update and now time machine gets to about 33 gigs or so then poops out on me. I have tried repartitioning, reformat trying 2 partitions instead of 1 and nothing helps so far.

    iMac 24 - 2.8 - I have several New Externals and the one I am using with TM is Western Digital My Book Home For MAC

    Jim
     
  4. jeremy6044 macrumors regular

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  5. dfbills macrumors newbie

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    Me too- here's what I was seeing for 18+ hours in my console:

    Code:
    2/12/08 11:12:27 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Backup requested by user 
    2/12/08 11:12:27 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Starting standard backup 
    2/12/08 11:12:27 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Backing up to: /Volumes/External Backup HD/Backups.backupdb 
    2/12/08 11:12:27 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Event store UUIDs don't match for volume: Macintosh HD 
    2/12/08 11:12:27 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Backup content size: 45.2 GB excluded items size: 7.0 MB for volume Macintosh HD 
    2/12/08 11:12:27 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] No pre-backup thinning needed: 54.26 GB requested (including padding), 60.98 GB available 
    2/12/08 11:12:27 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (909 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:12:32 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:12:40 PM kernel jnl: disk2s6: flushing fs disk buffer returned 0x5 
    2/12/08 11:12:42 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:12:57 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:13:17 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:13:42 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:14:12 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:14:42 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:14:43 PM /usr/sbin/ocspd[222] starting 
    2/12/08 11:15:12 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:15:14 PM kernel jnl: disk2s6: flushing fs disk buffer returned 0x5 
    2/12/08 11:15:42 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:16:12 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:16:42 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:17:12 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:17:42 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:18:12 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:18:42 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:19:12 PM /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[212] Waiting for index to be ready (906 > 0) 
    2/12/08 11:19:18 PM kernel jnl: disk2s6: flushing fs disk buffer returned 0x5
     
  6. manoftheisland macrumors newbie

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    I'm having the same problem with a MacBook i just purchased in Dec. TM was working perfect on 10.5.1 but after the update its just sitting at the preparing state.



    Edit: Well i let it sit for about 45 minutes and now its working... not sure if it had to reorder all my back-up data or something... just really weird
     
  7. keswickjim macrumors newbie

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    Solution to the Time Machine Error

    I tried everything I know including..yes wiping out the hard drive and starting from a fresh copy of leopard and all the updates including 10.5.2. I reformatted the WD External 1TB drive and repartitione, low and behold the first TM backup went fine. Keep in mind no files yet so I transferred all my settings...still no errors. That led me to start loading first My Documents, then My Pictures and last....iTunes..WAM ERROR. So keeping that in mind a remember reading that someone thought it might be a movie file causing the problems. I then clicked on options in TM navigated to itunes .... itunes music where my movie files are stored under...."Movies" .......BAM it worked. I guess I should forward this to Apple.

    I hope this helps.....

    Jim
     
  8. dfbills macrumors newbie

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    I spoke to apple about it today and they suggested the following course of action:

    1. disable time machine

    2. delete the spotlight index on the external drive

    3. allow spotlight to rebuild the index

    4. re-activate time machine

    I haven't had a chance to try it yet.
     
  9. dfbills macrumors newbie

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    Looks good, but I don't have enough space right now to actually do the Time Machine backup.
     
  10. swmr macrumors regular

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    Can anybody give me directions on how to delete the spotlight index and how to let it rebuild? I am having the same issue tonight and I would like to try and get it resolved.

    Well as I clicked submit everything seemed to have worked itself out. I don't know what the problem was though. It was preparing for about 20 minutes.
     
  11. Liberalguy macrumors newbie

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    Hi everyone, I've been reading forum posts and googling about this the past few days. I'm not a computer expert, so bare with me..

    I have a Core 2 Duo iMac and I use a My Book Home Edition 750Gb external drive to back up using Time Machine.

    It hasn't successfully backed up since Monday. it's been stuck on "Preparing" ever since. I did quite a bit of deleting files and then some iphoto work and downloaded a TV series in itunes Monday night. I have restarted, added "do not back this up" folders, and checked my system Log in Console.app.

    There is no mention of the word "traversal" or "deep traversal." When I start a backup, I get a nice progress bar going from 0 to 1.2GB, then switches to "Preparing" but hangs there. I let it go for 48 hours, never completed, never crashed, never got a failure message. The harddrive appears NOT to be doing anything once I get to the "Preparing" message (the light doesn't go up and down, if you know the drive I'm talking about). I downloaded the firmware update for the drive that I read on one of the forums - and that did NOT fix anything.

    In my system log in console.app I get teh following message every 1 minute (currently trying backup with "preparing" message"):
    Apr 10 11:44:34 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Waiting for index to be ready (915 > 0)
    Apr 10 11:45:04 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Waiting for index to be ready (915 > 0)



    Here is everything from the log leading up to that repeating every 1 minute message:
    Apr 10 11:20:06 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Backup requested by user
    Apr 10 11:20:06 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Starting standard backup
    Apr 10 11:20:07 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Backing up to: /Volumes/Brian's My Book/Backups.backupdb
    Apr 10 11:20:42 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 1.84 GB requested (including padding), 356.07 GB available
    Apr 10 11:20:52 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Copied 366 files (53.6 MB) from volume Brian's iTunes drive.
    Apr 10 11:23:29 c-69-181-228-59 mds[32]: (/Volumes/Brian's My Book/.Spotlight-V100/Store-V1/Stores/EF6963FE-3615-4CA8-B55E-25E5F72C8A2E)(Error) IndexCI in _ContentIndexSyncIndexBulk:Caught mach exception. Fun Fun Fun.
    Apr 10 11:23:29 c-69-181-228-59 mds[32]: (/Volumes/Brian's My Book/.Spotlight-V100/Store-V1/Stores/EF6963FE-3615-4CA8-B55E-25E5F72C8A2E)(Error) IndexCI in _ContentIndexSyncIndexBulk:Skipping because index is shut down
    Apr 10 11:23:29 c-69-181-228-59 mds[32]: (/Volumes/Brian's My Book/.Spotlight-V100/Store-V1/Stores/EF6963FE-3615-4CA8-B55E-25E5F72C8A2E)(Error) IndexGeneral in notify_lowspace:low space for device 234881033 (/Volumes/Brian's My Book/.Spotlight-V100/Store-V1/Stores/EF6963FE-3615-4CA8-B55E-25E5F72C8A2E)
    Apr 10 11:23:29 c-69-181-228-59 mds[32]: (Error) Volume: LOW DISK SPACE device:234881033
    Apr 10 11:23:29 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Error: Flushing index to disk returned an error: -918
    Apr 10 11:23:29 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Copied 12258 files (1.2 GB) from volume Brian's iMac HD.
    Apr 10 11:23:34 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 100.0 MB requested (including padding), 354.80 GB available
    Apr 10 11:23:34 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Waiting for index to be ready (905 > 0)
    Apr 10 11:23:54 c-69-181-228-59 mds[32]: (/Volumes/Brian's My Book/.Spotlight-V100/Store-V1/Stores/EF6963FE-3615-4CA8-B55E-25E5F72C8A2E)(Error) IndexCI in _ContentIndexSyncIndexBulk:Caught mach exception. Fun Fun Fun.
    Apr 10 11:23:54 c-69-181-228-59 mds[32]: (/Volumes/Brian's My Book/.Spotlight-V100/Store-V1/Stores/EF6963FE-3615-4CA8-B55E-25E5F72C8A2E)(Error) IndexCI in _ContentIndexSyncIndexBulk:Skipping because index is shut down
    Apr 10 11:23:54 c-69-181-228-59 mds[32]: (/Volumes/Brian's My Book/.Spotlight-V100/Store-V1/Stores/EF6963FE-3615-4CA8-B55E-25E5F72C8A2E)(Error) IndexGeneral in notify_lowspace:low space for device 234881033 (/Volumes/Brian's My Book/.Spotlight-V100/Store-V1/Stores/EF6963FE-3615-4CA8-B55E-25E5F72C8A2E)
    Apr 10 11:23:54 c-69-181-228-59 mds[32]: (Error) Volume: LOW DISK SPACE device:234881033
    Apr 10 11:23:54 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Waiting for index to be ready (915 > 0)
    Apr 10 11:24:24: --- last message repeated 2 times ---
    Apr 10 11:24:39 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Waiting for index to be ready (915 > 0)
    Apr 10 11:25:09: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
    Apr 10 11:25:34 c-69-181-228-59 /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[170]: Waiting for index to be ready (915 > 0)



    Does anyone have any idea what to do? Oh, I also ran Disk Utility to verify disk, and it found no problems with the drive. I saw someone say to delete a file called something like "com.apple.timemachine"... but I did a search for my entire computer and there isn't the file there at all. My Time Machine was working fine until Monday.

    ps. Before I started using the drive last December, I formatted it to GUI partition.

    pps. I second the last poster, how do I delete the spotlight thingy on the external drive?
     
  12. bassetbob macrumors newbie

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    Sleepy disks?

    Here's what *may* have happened, judging from log files and google:

    From /var/log/System.log:

    May 10 23:41:31 apollo com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.wikid): Throttling respawn: Will start in 9 seconds
    May 10 23:41:39 apollo /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[51678]: Backing up to: /Volumes/Tera/Backups.backupdb
    May 10 23:41:40 apollo /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[51678]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 100.0 MB requested (including padding), 350.87 GB available
    May 10 23:41:40 apollo /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[51678]: Waiting for index to be ready (-911 < 0)
    May 10 23:41:42 apollo com.apple.wikid[51697]: Removing stale pidfile /var/run/wikid.pid
    May 10 23:41:42 apollo com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.wikid[51697]): Exited with exit code: 1
    May 10 23:41:42 apollo com.apple.launchd[1] (com.apple.wikid): Throttling respawn: Will start in 9 seconds
    May 10 23:41:45 apollo /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[51678]: Waiting for index to be ready (-911 < 0)
    May 12 10:42:29 localhost kernel[0]: npvhash=4095

    Last log was backupd (Time Machine).

    The most recent change I made to the server was to "Put hard disks to sleep when possible". I'm guessing that 10.5.2 is still pretty buggy, and putting drives to sleep + Time Machine + Spotlight causes some kind of havoc. I'm going to leave "Put disks to sleep when possible" turned ON, and see if this hang reoccurs. If it does, I'll try turning it off.

    Also, the business about "wikid" has been resolved by changing the owner of the collaboration WWW directories and files to "_teamsserver".
     

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