10.5 Pro or 2017 12 inch MacBook?

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  1. Tarp09GT macrumors member

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    Trying to decide between the two. Not a power user at all. Mostly media consumption, email, internet, etc... Once you add up the 256gig 10.5 plus keyboard and pencil you are at $1,000. For $200 more I can get the MacBook. Thoughts?

    As background I have 2013 MacBook Pro Retina and an iPad Air 2. If I get the Pro I'll keep old MacBook and wife gets air. If I get MacBook wife gets both.
     
  2. silverblack macrumors 68030

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    It depends if the use of pencil is important to you or not. Or what software you will need to run. Only you can answer this question.
     
  3. Tarp09GT thread starter macrumors member

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    I do not have any specific software. As I explained in the original post I have basic needs. Just looking for people with experience that might have similar needs.

    As far As the pencil if I get the pro there would be no reason not to get the pencil. Just not a necessity.
     
  4. sosumi99 macrumors member

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    I’ve gone 95% iPad at this point. For reading and watching videos, the iPad is so much better. If you’re not planning on doing a lot of complicated writing/research/coding, you don’t need a MacBook, in my view.
     
  5. silverblack macrumors 68030

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    If you were only using it for movies, email and internet, your iPad Air is more than sufficient.

    Don't bother getting a keyboard, try dictation for email.
     
  6. Tarp09GT thread starter macrumors member

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    Thanks. Definitely going to upgrade to pass along air to my wife. Also like many here a bit of a techie so often upgrade even if not absolutely necessary.
     
  7. s2mikey macrumors 68020

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    Of course.... upgrade-itis. We all have it. I still have my Air1. Shes going strong but the new 10.5 model has me soooooo itchy to upgrade :D
     
  8. dumastudetto macrumors 68020

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    iPad can do it all now. Nobody needs a Mac anymore.
     
  9. Aibocyrus macrumors 6502

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    In my opinion, upgrade to the new iPad. I’m a very similar user to you with the same needs and uses. I haven’t even touched my Mac since upgrading. Get the iPad with the keyboard and pencil so you can use them as needed or wanted. Save $200.
     
  10. Meezermouzer macrumors member

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    For most people, the iPad Pro, especially after the iOS 11 update, will be all they need. But iPP still is not there yet for some consumers. A glaring one is code development. Sure there are some programming apps like Codea and Pythonista, but the apps themselves and iOS's locked-down nature present limitations. Similarly, Xcode is not available for iOS, and I am under the impression it won't be, at least not for a very long time.

    That is why I am actually hard pressed myself. I'm trying to decide what Mac to get to do iOS development. For me, because I have an iPP, the MacBook 2017 is a waste of money. Where MB excels the iPP outshines and surpasses its. So I would be paying basically $1000+ just to get access to Xcode. However, it is one of the more affordable options that I could use to code while away from a desk. The Mac Minis force you to be stationary and I believe it is ridiculous to buy the MB Air at this stage.
     
  11. MrEcted macrumors member

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    I still can't write software effectively on an iPad, so throw me in the group of 'nobodies'.
     
  12. Hoosier317 macrumors member

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    No matter how many times you’ve been proven wrong, you just keep blaring the same nonsense.
     
  13. Dunbar macrumors 6502

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    I have a 2015 12" Macbook and the original 12.9" iPad Pro. As a laptop replacement I would recommend the 12.9" iPad. I think the 10.5" iPad is great (I'm planning to get one) if you're using it while mobile but the screen is too small to replace a laptop IMO. I have the Apple Smart Keyboard which I really like but I consider some sort of keyboard mandatory if this is replacing a laptop. I think the iPad Pro with a keyboard is 90% there at replacing a laptop but certain stuff like copy-and-paste is harder on a tablet. I have forced myself to learn the keyboard shortcuts on the iPad, which helps a lot, but I still run into the occasional situation on iOS that I find very frustrating as compared to my Macbook. The iPad is just a more versatile device and feels like the future to me but it's not quite a laptop replacement yet IMO.

    You might consider getting a refurbished 2016" Macbook and the 64GB 10.5" as an alternative. It's a bit more money but you get the best of both worlds.
     
  14. Nmeyrick macrumors member

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    For Meezermouzer - seriously look at trying with a mac mini (or any other mac / pc you have lying around) and ipad pro running a remote client like teamviewer or jump desktop. Don't knock it until you've tried I!
     
  15. DougFNJ macrumors 6502a

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    If you are more of a consumption user, keep the Retina MacBook and pick up the iPad Pro, you will get the best of both worlds. First of all your current MacBook Pro is more powerful than the 12" MacBook. Then you have to keep in mind the ports, 1 single USB-C port on the 12" which means more accessories in the form of adapters. The 12 inch MacBook is a nice computer, don't get me wrong, but when you have the option of keeping the power that comes with a MacBook Pro for your heavier computing, and the portability of the iPad Pro with the versatility of the accessories that go with that mobility, you will be very happy. And the perk you will find is it is not that much larger than your iPad Air but the screen size and display blow it away.

    I have needs in both directions, but my favorite thing I got with my iPad Pro is that I don't lose paper notes I keep from meetings anymore. I live off of Goodnotes. I have it on my iPad Pro, iPhone, and my MacBook. They all keep in synch which gives me access to my notes on any device. There are so many reasons pro and con, the decision is ultimately up to you.
     
  16. MyopicPaideia macrumors 68000

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    I made the choice between the exact same devices. I chose 10.5" Pro. So far...very happy with my choice. My 2015 rMB now sits at home waiting to be accessed remotely in the case I need to use it.

    And I haven't even tried the iOS 11 beta yet. The first public beta is going on here though!

    One thing I am noticing only now because I just read it on here in a different thread. I no longer have the annoying problem with a finger that inadvertendtly touches the screen while typing with the ASK. Thus was a very annoying issue I had with the 9.7" Pro when I owned that one. The extra few mm of depth to the 10.5" ASK really makes a difference, as does the minute adjustments to key size and spacing.

    The only thing as far as keyboard that still gets me a little bit is the way iOS handles external keyboards when switching between languages. I got the Swedish keyboard because Swedish is the language of my customers and I use it professionally about 75% of the time. BUT, when your switch to English for the purposes of spell check and auto-correct, it behaves like you are using the on screen keyboard and switched layouts and everything.

    If I weren't American, this would be a complete nightmare, because I would have no idea where semicolon, quotation mark, slash, etc would be on the keyboard. As it is I can figure it out pretty quick basically from long learned muscle memory earlier in life, but why can't there be static keyboard layout regardless of language chosen if an external keyboard is detected? Like macOS...

    Everything else has been totally and surprisingly easy to do and figure out, and I have found workflows for 99% of the things I do that easily equal or surpass effectiveness and productivity of using a macOS laptop.

    I have even found a decent video editing alternative, LumaFusion, that will be able to take care of most of my video editing needs, will probably just need FCX for a few key things that are missing at the moment.

    On the other hand it is all about attitude. I had the same experience when switching over from Excel to Numbers. I made the decision that I was going to learn Numbers several years ago and forced myself to use it for everything instead. Before I had only seen problems. This time I told myself I would see opportunities and solutions. When I went in with that attitude, I found everything was much less problematic and solutions came much easier.

    Had the same experience thus far transitioning to iOS. With an open mind things begin to get much easier. For example, having two word docs open at once in split view. You can do this easily if you use Dropbox or Documents as a file viewer, and you can even copy and paste from these app viewers into the active Word doc. When Drag and Drop comes with iOS 11 this will be even better. This works for most all normal office productivity file types.

    80/20 split screen is much more productive than I thought it would be. Especially communicating apps like Mail, iMessage, etc, or file management apps like Dropbox or Documents. Eliminates tons of app switching, while the main app stays in focus and has plenty of room.

    The funny thing is, my iPad mini also seems like it has gotten a new lease on life as well. Learning iOS's productivity capabilities has made even the mini lots more useful. I used to just use it one app at a time, but since getting the 10.5" Pro, I have been using a lot of 80/20 split screen with PiP video going at the same time, etc. and been able and much more comfortable doing a lot of professional stuff on it during a train commute for example, I would have automatically pulled out the rMB for previously.

    Really appreciate the capability and ease of use proposition iOS brings to the table much more than I did before. And if all else fails, just have to fire up Screens or Jump Desktop and I'be got a traditional laptop/desktop OS at my disposal as well...
     
  17. jettie1767 macrumors 6502

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    I'm going thru that choice right now. I have a 12" Macbook I bought a year ago. And last week, I bought an iPad 10.5 to see if it can replace my Macbook. So far, it seems to be a good replacement. I use my Macbook mainly for surfing, emails, etc. Just light work in general and on rare occassions, I use it to logon to work. I had tried everything on the iPad, including logging on to work, and it seems fine except that the smaller screen makes it a bit more cumbersome to navigate thru my work screens. But, it is good enough for when I really need to login to work for emergencies.
     
  18. OKLY macrumors member

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    My current iPad Air 2 is doing all this for me. So if you'd like to pass on the Air 2 to your wife, I'd say get the iPad Pro 10.5" for an upgrade.
     
  19. ABC5S macrumors 68040

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    Except for one glaring Mis-step by Apple. If something happens to your iOS update you have no way of fixing this within iPad. You need iTunes, and that means you need a Mac.

    Wish Apple would fix this oversight. I got rid of my MacBook Pro and now I have to be very careful and hope I don't have a screwup when I updated to the next iOS update.
     
  20. gobikerider macrumors 68000

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    Get the iPad its faster then the MacBook and more portable oh and cheaper
     
  21. Wide opeN, Jun 25, 2017
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    Can you elaborate a little more on the remote clients you just mentioned!? Thanks!
    --- Post Merged, Jun 25, 2017 ---
    I'm about to try and get serious about making music. I recently made my first beat w/ GarageBand a week ago on my iPhone and actually managed to impress myself.

    When you watch TV or videos or whatever you often see them in the studio with either a Mac or Macbook. So as someone who is in the market for either an iPad Pro or Macbook, who currently only has an iPhone...

    What is the best device to make music on!? iPad or MacBook!? I don't currently have money for both, so I would need to make my purchase count.

    Advice!?
     
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  23. eltoslightfoot macrumors regular

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    Look, I write code, write novels, and create art. I have a macbook pro 15" 2014 and an original iPad Pro 12.9". If I had to absolutely give one up, I would give up the iPad. If I were making music, I would give up the iPad. The iPad CAN do most things anymore. I use procreate and affinity photo to create artwork on my iPad Pro. I use Scrivener and Blogo to write (as well as MS Office on the iPad), and GarageBand is certainly usable. However, it doesn't mean it does them well for 50 hours a week. You can't use external monitors, ergonomic keyboards, custom USB instruments, etc. In other words, just because you can do a thing, doesn't mean you should do a thing.

    If you had to choose, I would go MacBook now and save for the iPad later. The iPad is great when you just want to grab and go. :)
     
  24. Wide opeN, Jun 25, 2017
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    Thank you for the feedback. I honestly can say I want both.

    I think I would prefer to secure the MacBook Pro first, and then an iPad Pro.

    I can say it seemed really natural creating the beat I did on iOS. Do you think GarageBand would be as intuitive on Mac OS!?
     
  25. MyopicPaideia macrumors 68000

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    Garage Band is equally intuitive, and more powerful on the Mac, yes. In my experience. You will also have the option to step up to Logic Pro when/if you get to the point where you feel GB starts to limit you as an artist. But there are also some really impressive 3rd party music making apps out there as well for iPad. Just gotta do the research!

    Similarly, on the video editing front, it also feels more natural and intuitive to use your hands and touch rather than use a mouse, etc. but most of the time the macOS counterpart is a more precise tool. There are exceptions, but when dealing with Apple's first party apps, this is usually the case.
     

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