I think anyone who works in a creative environment, especially one that involves collaboration with others, will jump on and use Freeform.
I agree that AD is fairly complex for this purpose. Though it isn’t a vector tool, Keynote is a good tool for UX/UI design and prototyping.I have affinity designer - its way too complex for UX design
Illustrator is Adobe and the price they charge for apps is insane
I don't think generally feature rich vector illustration applications are an exact match for UX design. My opinion of course. However having worked on many apps on many teams, Sketch or Figma is used for this purpose
Without Windows support there won’t be much collaboration going on at most workplaces. Even Mac support would not help.Freeform has been designed as a collaboration tool, and you can share Freeform boards with other iPhone and iPad users.
Maybe as a Tinder pre-date collaboration tool. Planning out the night on it.How will it actually be used?
How are you certain that there's not some dependency in that iOS update to make the app work correctly? Perhaps the ridicule is itself ridiculous.I don't think they're worked up or laughing hard -- I think they used "laughingstock" because it is silly and subject to ridicule given that they require an entire iOS update to get the app.
They can just wait until they feel comfortable with the update.Some people don't like updating firmware until a while after the release, and given all the bugs as of lately, makes sense to want Freeform but not an entirely new update.
Maybe there is a dependency -- maybe only devices having this iOS update are "eligible".The issue isn't that it is part of iOS but that they didn't just make it an easy download from the App Store on eligible devices.
It should be an easy download in the future. If there is a dependency on this version of iOS, then requiring the update before getting the app is entirely appropriate.I assume this app won't be used by a vast number of iOS/iPad users so again, just odd that it required an entire update vs. an easy download.
and Concepts. I like just using the infinite canvas to just imagine and think.Affinity Designer? Illustrator ?
And can you add documents such as Pages and then click through to open and edit them? Then I could have a mind map with embedded or linked docs for managing a writing project.Can you connect shapes with lines so that the shapes stay connected when moved like in Scapple?
We, at least now, don't know if the underpinnings depend on some functionality in ios 16.2. It's easy to hurl criticisms.I don't think they're worked up or laughing hard -- I think they used "laughingstock" because it is silly and subject to ridicule given that they require an entire iOS update to get the app. Some people don't like updating firmware until a while after the release, and given all the bugs as of lately, makes sense to want Freeform but not an entirely new update.
The issue isn't that it is part of iOS but that they didn't just make it an easy download from the App Store on eligible devices. I assume this app won't be used by a vast number of iOS/iPad users so again, just odd that it required an entire update vs. an easy download.
It wasn’t really designed for that, but could probably make it work in a pinch. The biggest issue is it can only save PDF directly. SVG is only supported in copy/paste. You can copy vectors out of Freeform then paste them in Sketch or similar tool. I feel it is only a matter of time for Sketch to get an iPad port though.Since, somewhat surprisingly there is no good UX vector tool for the iPad, like Sketch for the Mac, I hope this app works for that purpose
It feels like Apple wants it to be a core part of the OS. It isn’t a normal app. Maybe Apple is planning to integrate it everywhere.How are you certain that there's not some dependency in that iOS update to make the app work correctly? Perhaps the ridicule is itself ridiculous.
They can just wait until they feel comfortable with the update.
Maybe there is a dependency -- maybe only devices having this iOS update are "eligible".
It should be an easy download in the future. If there is a dependency on this version of iOS, then requiring the update before getting the app is entirely appropriate.
Depends. Some things are fully real-time, other things don’t update until editing stopped. There is no manual sync. If it is open on your Mac and iPad, all changes happen on both as they occur. It is the best collaboration experience I’ve seen out of Apple so far. It’s great even if you are just collaborating with yourself through two devices.I have a question for those running the beta. Can you write and draw on the iPad version using the Apple Pencil 2 and see it displayed on your Mac in real-time? Or do you need to refresh or sync on the Mac manually?
Awesome. Thank you very much.Depends. Some things are fully real-time, other things don’t update until editing stopped. There is no manual sync. If it is open on your Mac and iPad, all changes happen on both as they occur. It is the best collaboration experience I’ve seen out of Apple so far. It’s great even if you are just collaborating with yourself through two devices.
OmniGraffleI have affinity designer - its way too complex for UX design
Illustrator is Adobe and the price they charge for apps is insane
I don't think generally feature rich vector illustration applications are an exact match for UX design. My opinion of course. However having worked on many apps on many teams, Sketch or Figma is used for this purpose
This is true, but if you then want to move the stickies and have the written text stay on them, you first have to group the stickies and the written text before you can do that.On an iPad, you can use an Apple Pencil to write directly on one of the Stickies
There are other collaborative whiteboard services out there. Miro is popular. I like this being included with the OS.Does no one know of Jamboard by Google?
Basically the exact same thing but with improvements by Apple.
Strange I haven't heard anyone mention it or the likeness.
Freeform is already ready as…Numbers
Freeform is a redundant application from Apple.
To use Freeform you need the latest beta of IOS, iPadOS and Ventura.
For some of us, due to its availability on only newer Macs, Ventura is unplayable, and neither can Freeform, as it appears to be part of Apple's Core applications.
This makes collaborating on your own document very difficult, let alone with other users.
Unnecessary:
It is a waste of energy and resources to develop this application because:
.Most of it is already in the iWork suite
.The few added features can be better implemented in the iWork suite.
.Many new APIs, made available by Apple, are not used.
.Functionality from Notes is not used.
Because I can't run Ventura I will do the comparison with 2 iPads and my Monterey macOS
I divide the comparison into a number of categories
Startup:
Format Similar to Notes
no tags possible
no sub possible
Options:
1: sticky Notes
No option to start left at the top
No scalable text
Limited number of colors
Editing options less than in Notes and iWork added description not visible with icon or flag.
Only text can be copied to other app, not the sticky note itself, not even as PNG
.multiple selected objects will not become one object in other apps, including iWork or Notes
Don't snap to the selected canvas
2. Shapes
1. No difference with the iWork suite
2. No ability to save custom shapes
3. Some borders around objects are incomplete
3. Text
1. More limited than iWork
2. Attributes are lost when copying to iWork
4. Drawing
1. Largely Similar to iWork
2. No option to make straight square like in Notes
5. Unlimited canvas
1. Also present in Numbers
6. Media
1. Insert files
1. A Lookup is created. Document not being added?
2. Where are the freeform files, how open are they?
2. Scan: Similar to Notes, including text recognition
3. Camera: Similar to Notes and iWork
4. Video: only 4:3 and no 16:9, in iWork yes
7. Choose background
1. Only two options
2. Easy to create in iWork using a template
8. Web version: no web version yet
1. iWork has a stable and well-functioning collaboration mode that has just been improved.
And it works on windows machines, using the iCloud version.
Positive:
1.PDF support
Inserting a PDF document works well. It is shown with Preview.
An option that's easy to add to iWork
Inserting a link: Works faster than in iWork
Easy to add to iWork
Comments:
Insert web video:
Option works much better in iWork, embedded playback
In Freeform it's a link
iWork and especially Numbers is much more extensive, more flexible and with some minor adjustments an excellent alternative.
I guess that means you have a choice not to use it. It doesn’t make it redundant, otherwise we’d all use only Office 365. It’s all about choices that suit you.Freeform is already ready as…Numbers
Freeform is a redundant application from Apple.
To use Freeform you need the latest beta of IOS, iPadOS and Ventura.
For some of us, due to its availability on only newer Macs, Ventura is unplayable, and neither can Freeform, as it appears to be part of Apple's Core applications.
This makes collaborating on your own document very difficult, let alone with other users.
Unnecessary:
It is a waste of energy and resources to develop this application because:
.Most of it is already in the iWork suite
.The few added features can be better implemented in the iWork suite.
.Many new APIs, made available by Apple, are not used.
.Functionality from Notes is not used.
Because I can't run Ventura I will do the comparison with 2 iPads and my Monterey macOS
I divide the comparison into a number of categories
Startup:
Format Similar to Notes
no tags possible
no sub possible
Options:
1: sticky Notes
No option to start left at the top
No scalable text
Limited number of colors
Editing options less than in Notes and iWork added description not visible with icon or flag.
Only text can be copied to other app, not the sticky note itself, not even as PNG
.multiple selected objects will not become one object in other apps, including iWork or Notes
Don't snap to the selected canvas
2. Shapes
1. No difference with the iWork suite
2. No ability to save custom shapes
3. Some borders around objects are incomplete
3. Text
1. More limited than iWork
2. Attributes are lost when copying to iWork
4. Drawing
1. Largely Similar to iWork
2. No option to make straight square like in Notes
5. Unlimited canvas
1. Also present in Numbers
6. Media
1. Insert files
1. A Lookup is created. Document not being added?
2. Where are the freeform files, how open are they?
2. Scan: Similar to Notes, including text recognition
3. Camera: Similar to Notes and iWork
4. Video: only 4:3 and no 16:9, in iWork yes
7. Choose background
1. Only two options
2. Easy to create in iWork using a template
8. Web version: no web version yet
1. iWork has a stable and well-functioning collaboration mode that has just been improved.
And it works on windows machines, using the iCloud version.
Positive:
1.PDF support
Inserting a PDF document works well. It is shown with Preview.
An option that's easy to add to iWork
Inserting a link: Works faster than in iWork
Easy to add to iWork
Comments:
Insert web video:
Option works much better in iWork, embedded playback
In Freeform it's a link
iWork and especially Numbers is much more extensive, more flexible and with some minor adjustments an excellent alternative.