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I think they will announce it before it is ready to ship since they have to get FCC approval. I don't think that the FCC will keep the application confidential. One scenario is that they might have it available right away in Japan or Europe where 3G would really help sales and would ship in the US after FCC approval.

You've made my morning. I'm now hopeful.

I like this theory because now I can hope for a 3G iPhone announcement. AAPL really needs 3G for China/Japan. You're right the FCC has to release the request by FOIA unless AAPL gets an exemption. Ahhh, the possibilities. The mysterious new product code in the SDK... I'm liking this more and more.
 
Well 9to5mac is almost as good a source as Apple itself xD I'm excited about this as I'm dying to get an iPod (Of any sort but especially a touch) after playing with an iPhone in The CarPhone Warehouse today so fingers crossed!

Lol - exactly the same as me - I went to the CarPhone Warehouse the other day and played on the iPhone and decided there and then I wanted a touch!!!

iPod 2G Nano on eBay as I type this

Anyone wanna buy it!!! ;)

lol
 
Small price drop

Anyone notice that the iPod Touches have already dropped $20 (noticed today, Feb 14). On the Canadian site, they were $519/$419/$319, and are now $499/$399/$299.

That means anyone who paid $20 for the software upgrade has been marginally screwed :)

EDIT: Never mind...the Canada store linked me back to the US store for some reason. Ignore that post. Sorry :(
 
What the hell is going at Apple?

I know, Apple has been very successful recently, but, even though I don't know much, I can guess, they have forgot how they got here. The idea of the iPhone was great, but don't you think, they should have waited a few months and then released a solid and complete product? Also, I think pairing up with AT&T was the dumbest move that they could have ever made. Apple should start going back to its old ways, selling good, solid and accurate products with class and personality.
 
I know, Apple has been very successful recently, but, even though I don't know much, I can guess, they have forgot how they got here. The idea of the iPhone was great, but don't you think, they should have waited a few months and then released a solid and complete product?

What exactly is "not solid" or incomplete about the iPhone in your opinion?

Also, I think pairing up with AT&T was the dumbest move that they could have ever made.

Jobs approached Verizon early on and they weren't interested. Aside from Sprint, AT&T seems to be a logical alternative. If you haven't read this article you should: The Untold Story: How the iPhone Blew Up the Wireless Industry

Apple should start going back to its old ways, selling good, solid and accurate products with class and personality.

Would also be curious to hear how exactly the iPhone lacks "class and personality"? :rolleyes:

Craig
 
Ya if they drop $100 ill probably be getting one too. As for anyone crying that they just bought something and the price dropped, um...

Its technology, it happens. You wanna be the first to own something, expect it. No business WRONGED you just because you bought a product at the price they specified, and then manufacturing became cheaper for them so they dropped the price so that others could enjoy the product you and your rich self have been enjoying all along.

And yes, it has happened to me. A $4500 camera dropped $1200 3 weeks after I bought it. Did I care? NOPE cause I knew it would drop soon but felt having it sooner was worth it. Its how technology works.
 
Prices drop, technology improves, get over it.

Geez, After reading this thread, you'd think getting better products at cheaper prices is oh such a horrible thing. Yeah Yeah I know. you just bought your 8G iphone two weeks ago and apple had the audacity to charge you full boat on a product they knew full well they were improving and dropping the price on. So What? You wanted the iphone, you knew how much they cost, you bought it. Were you happy with it when you bought it? I was. I still am. it's a great phone.

I bought mine last month. 2 weeks after my 14 day return was over, they rolled out a 16gig model. Great. A better product. I decided I'm waiting for the V2 phone to upgrade. I want a GPS, 32 gig phone and I'm willing to pay for it. I know it'll be obsolete in 4 months. I guess I'll just have to sell my old 8gig clunker on ebay. Get over it. Enjoy!!

Bob
 
Anyone notice that the iPod Touches have already dropped $20 (noticed today, Feb 14). On the Canadian site, they were $519/$419/$319, and are now $499/$399/$299.

That means anyone who paid $20 for the software upgrade has been marginally screwed :)

EDIT: Never mind...the Canada store linked me back to the US store for some reason. Ignore that post. Sorry :(

fyi...circuit city offers a $25 discount on IPodTouch 32G- o well...i'm enjoying my new touch since the first day i got it....no regrets but a cashback will make me even happier:D:):D:) thanks in advance :apple:
 
Need a little help...

Okay, I need some help from those of you who seem to know everything :)

I'd REALLY like an iPhone, but will be moving to either Japan or Europe some time next year (Air Force). From the mixed info I've received from AT&T and Apple, it seems that the current iPhone WILL NOT WORK in those locations. Can someone confirm this? Is there a hack or workaround for the current US version iPhone to be used in Europe / Japan? I realize that I'll still need to get a carrier in whatever county I end up in.

Assuming that the current iPhone will not work:
It seems likely that we'll see the 2nd iteration of iPhone sometime in the next 6 months, likely a 32GB version with 3G I'd imagine. Do you think that would take care of my international needs from a hardware point of view?

Thanks!
 
Okay, I need some help from those of you who seem to know everything :)

I'd REALLY like an iPhone, but will be moving to either Japan or Europe some time next year (Air Force). From the mixed info I've received from AT&T and Apple, it seems that the current iPhone WILL NOT WORK in those locations. Can someone confirm this? Is there a hack or workaround for the current US version iPhone to be used in Europe / Japan? I realize that I'll still need to get a carrier in whatever county I end up in.

Assuming that the current iPhone will not work:
It seems likely that we'll see the 2nd iteration of iPhone sometime in the next 6 months, likely a 32GB version with 3G I'd imagine. Do you think that would take care of my international needs from a hardware point of view?

Thanks!

The phone won't work in Japan. It will work in Europe (but it will be in roaming).
 
Gee I don't know.....No video recording, no GPS, crippled speed non-wifi net access, no Flash support, were FORCED to implement a SDK, etc. on and on.....

While I will agree that some of the lacking features you've mentioned would be nice and/or are oversights, they are not necessarily "standard" cell phone/smart phone features. As such, I think writing off Apple and the iPhone, which has many features which are light years ahead of most other devices as being half-baked is a bit dramatic.
 
Gee I don't know.....No video recording, no GPS, crippled speed non-wifi net access, no Flash support, were FORCED to implement a SDK, etc. on and on.....

Not supporting Flash (I'm assuming you mean the web-based Adobe Flash) is something that needs to happen.

The touch and iPhone need to get some major 3rd party program support. That would get me to switch over from my Treo if I could have programs like Pocket Quicken (or something that syncs with my desktop Quicken), eWallet, List Pro and a slew of other apps that make my day productive.

Oh yeah, and Notes syncing would really help.
 
While I will agree that some of the lacking features you've mentioned would be nice and/or are oversights, they are not necessarily "standard" cell phone/smart phone features. As such, I think writing off Apple and the iPhone, which has many features which are light years ahead of most other devices as being half-baked is a bit dramatic.

Every new smart phone over the past year or two has the features I described. The omission of them was clearly intentional to force an upgrade when the iPhone 2 drops. Other companies do it, but Apple gimped the iPhone to below what was the market norm at the time.
 
Every new smart phone over the past year or two has the features I described. The omission of them was clearly intentional to force an upgrade when the iPhone 2 drops. Other companies do it, but Apple gimped the iPhone to below what was the market norm at the time.

Every smartphone? Funny, seeing as how my iPhone replaced a Treo 650 which to my knowledge does not have GPS or flash support and used the same 2G (EDGE) data system as the iPhone. Same can be said for the 680.

You seriously think Apple intentionally left all of those things out just so they could sell more phones down the road? (as if there wouldn't be more advanced features developed later on to help marketing) :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Again you're just being dramatic. Happy hating!

Craig
 
Every smartphone? Funny, seeing as how my iPhone replaced a Treo 650 which to my knowledge does not have GPS or flash support and used the same 2G (EDGE) data system as the iPhone. Same can be said for the 680.

You seriously think Apple intentionally left all of those things out just so they could sell more phones down the road? (as if there wouldn't be more advanced features developed later on to help marketing) :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Again you're just being dramatic. Happy hating!

Craig

Um, yes I believe Apple held stuff back, which is the same practice all companies do.

When was your 650 released? 2005? Kinda doesn't fit into the year or two range I clearly stated in my post. And yes, the 680 can act as a GPS, with turn by turn read out. Not a faux triangulation kinda pinpoint my location BS.

Happy obliviously reading and stating false information.

Intarweb
 
Um, yes I believe Apple held stuff back, which is the same practice all companies do.

When was your 650 released? 2005? Kinda doesn't fit into the year or two range I clearly stated in my post. And yes, the 680 can act as a GPS, with turn by turn read out. Not a faux triangulation kinda pinpoint my location BS.

Happy obliviously reading and stating false information.

Intarweb

2007(when the iPhone was released)-2005=2 year window. Less than that if you count the 680 release. Don't flame me because you're having trouble with your own math problem.

The 680 will indeed function as a GPS...with the addition of a GPS receiver and a 3rd party app. Actually the 650 can do this as well. So are we talking about the built-in features of the device or what??? The "faux triangulation kinda pinpoint my location BS" is far more then what the Treo's can do out of the box.

When you are ready to throw some more biased apple-to-orange, nit-picking my way just let me know. :rolleyes:
 
2007(when the iPhone was released)-2005=2 year window. Less than that if you count the 680 release. Don't flame me because you're having trouble with your own math problem.

The 680 will indeed function as a GPS...with the addition of a GPS receiver and a 3rd party app. Actually the 650 can do this as well. So are we talking about the built-in features of the device or what??? The "faux triangulation kinda pinpoint my location BS" is far more then what the Treo's can do out of the box.

When you are ready to throw some more biased apple-to-orange, nit-picking my way just let me know. :rolleyes:

Can the iPhone act as a GPS 3rd party or built in? No

Can the iPhone record video? No

Is the iPhone marketed as a smart phone and fails to meet some pretty basic benchmarks? Absolutely.

Is the iPhone lacking in major features that most phones have as standard that came out a year or two before it? Absolutely.

Did Apple intentionally hold back features? Absolutely, just like all companies, but they failed to meet the norm to begin with.

Do I own an iPhone? Yes.

Next....! :rolleyes:
 
Can the iPhone act as a GPS 3rd party or built in? No
Can the iPhone record video? No
Is the iPhone marketed as a smart phone and fails to meet some pretty basic benchmarks? Absolutely.
Is the iPhone lacking in major features that most phones have as standard that came out a year or two before it? Absolutely.
Did Apple intentionally hold back features? Absolutely, just like all companies, but they failed to meet the norm to begin with.
Do I own an iPhone? Yes.
Next....! :rolleyes:

Can the iPhone act as a GPS 3rd party or built in? Not yet but a 3rd party dongle is in the works.
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/12/17/gps-dongle-coming-for-iphone/

Can the iPhone record video? Not yet, but people have managed to make proof-of-concepts and get small videos running. (And this is just me, why is video recording even useful on mobile devices other than recording something funny to show other people? Is there a functional purpose?)
http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/13/iphone-gets-video-recording-capabilities/

Was the iPhone lacking in features initially? Yes.

Did Apple intentionally hold them back? To an extent but I was surprised they actually shipped the thing on time. If anything, they intentionally held things back so they could release the product on time. Anything they left off software-wise can be implemented via a new version/firmware. Flash? Software update. Video recording? Probably software update (since the proof-of-concept hack shows that it's possible to an extent). A2DP? Software update. Editing Office/iWork docs? Software update. COPY AND PASTE? Software update.

GPS can be solved by a 3rd party add on if you want it. Hell, I'm sure someone if they were bored and smart enough could figure a way to make a 3G add-on.

And with the SDK if Apple doesn't put it in via an update, and the terms allow 3rd party devs to do it, then someone could write an app to do it.

I see where you're coming from with the whole "hold back features to sell future versions" argument, but you should know what you want in something when you buy it. If it doesn't have the features you want, then don't buy it and complain that it doesn't do something this other phone does.
 
Can the iPhone act as a GPS 3rd party or built in? Not yet but a 3rd party dongle is in the works.
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/12/17/gps-dongle-coming-for-iphone/

A proof of concept. Who says Apple won't cripple it? Or that it will ever see the day of light?

Can the iPhone record video? Not yet, but people have managed to make proof-of-concepts and get small videos running. (And this is just me, why is video recording even useful on mobile devices other than recording something funny to show other people? Is there a functional purpose?)
http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/13/iphone-gets-video-recording-capabilities/

Ah, yes, another proof-of-concept. What good does that do? As of now, there is no iPhone that can record, and the ones that say "the iphone is capable of recording" by means of that proof of concept, doesn't really get it: It doesn't record. Full stop. The mere notion that "it can – in theory" should somehow mean that it is a real feature is hilarious, to say the least.

Was the iPhone lacking in features initially? Yes.

Still is.

Did Apple intentionally hold them back? To an extent but I was surprised they actually shipped the thing on time. If anything, they intentionally held things back so they could release the product on time. Anything they left off software-wise can be implemented via a new version/firmware. Flash? Software update. Video recording?Probably software update (since the proof-of-concept hack shows that it's possible to an extent). A2DP? Software update. Editing Office/iWork docs? Software update. COPY AND PASTE? Software update.
Wow, you certainly have a lot a trust of in Apple. I think that is the best I can say about that quote. Although some things might be considered time-restraints, it has now been more than a year. And lest we forget: Apple certainly had the time to cripple the thing, just like they had the time to cripple the Touch.


GPS can be solved by a 3rd party add on if you want it.
Really? Show me where I can buy one for the iPhone. That statement has o base in reality whatsoever.
Hell, I'm sure someone if they were bored and smart enough could figure a way to make a 3G add-on.

Way to go. So your solution for a product that is crippled and doesn't have features the competitors have is to hack the firmware, hack the hardware, and basically bring a 3rd party add-on to market, just so you can enjoy the same features like the competitors?


And with the SDK if Apple doesn't put it in via an update, and the terms allow 3rd party devs to do it, then someone could write an app to do it.
That's a whole lot of ifs, should you ask me. As it stands, noone knows, and why would apple, who intentionally crippled the Touch and the iPhone suddenly provide a more or less open platform?

There's a reason Apple is pushing web apps: You don't have to fiddle with the firmware and look at the insides.

I see where you're coming from with the whole "hold back features to sell future versions" argument, but you should know what you want in something when you buy it. If it doesn't have the features you want, then don't buy it and complain that it doesn't do something this other phone does.

Sigh. Yet another person who can't handle critique of the products being pushed by their favourite company. It's beginning to sound like a JW-meet, where their "discussions" are JW's-only. I guess it easier to shut out reality and pretend everything and anything is the best thing since the assembly line (yes, you're allowed to use "sliced bread" there – the assembly line was variation).
 
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