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1000 Songs - Just Right?
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iTunes keeps track of your playing habbits.Dr. Pookey said:
After a few months, you may just find that you don't listen to nearly as many songs as you think that you do.
If this is the case, you could then taylor your collection to what you listen to regularly and only carry those songs.
...or have two iPods. 40GB to hold everything and a mini for daily needs.
Sushi
idkew said:
Nope. Most of them are 160 or 192 kbps. The only stuff I have at less than 128 kbps is a few comedy albums (don't see a reason to waste more drive space on something that doesn't need that level of quality). On a second look at my library I found 105 songs are actually 5 second iTrip preset stations, so my collection is actually 5621 songs if you take those out. I guess the reason my collection doesn't take up more space is I have just about every theme song to every TV show I can find, as well as quite a few comedy shorts... most of these are a minute or less in length.
Not Enough
That's 1000 songs at 128kbps - not good enough for many of us. 128k just looses too much in my opinion, which is why I can't buy anything on the Apple Music Store. 1000 songs at decent quality is more like 5 to 6 gigs - even bigger if you are compressing to mp3.
That's 1000 songs at 128kbps - not good enough for many of us. 128k just looses too much in my opinion, which is why I can't buy anything on the Apple Music Store. 1000 songs at decent quality is more like 5 to 6 gigs - even bigger if you are compressing to mp3.
Object of Desire
Can you name an object more in desired right now than the iPod mini? From Teen girls to Grandads, Apple nailed it this time and yeah I doubt if many of those people research the HD size or even care. They probably assume anything that cool has all the features they need. Apple wisely spends scads of money on the design and maketing of their products and with the iPod mini they seem to have created the perfect storm.
Can you name an object more in desired right now than the iPod mini? From Teen girls to Grandads, Apple nailed it this time and yeah I doubt if many of those people research the HD size or even care. They probably assume anything that cool has all the features they need. Apple wisely spends scads of money on the design and maketing of their products and with the iPod mini they seem to have created the perfect storm.
FW Mode
I've got a 20GB iPod, about half full, but I use the other half fairly regularly as a FW disk, moving data between work and home. It's nice to be able to do that with just one device, instead of having to carry around an iPod and an external drive. One of those memory key things wouldn't be so bad, but they only hold a fraction of the available space on the 'pod.
-Piker
I've got a 20GB iPod, about half full, but I use the other half fairly regularly as a FW disk, moving data between work and home. It's nice to be able to do that with just one device, instead of having to carry around an iPod and an external drive. One of those memory key things wouldn't be so bad, but they only hold a fraction of the available space on the 'pod.
-Piker
192k-256K sampled
so I don't have that much room to begin with.
(sorry, but I can hear the difference from 128 and 192 samples. I like the 192 and higher rates)
Off Topic- I would like a black iPod or iPodMini. Anyone else?
(I don't want a black cover. I want the entire unit to be black)
so I don't have that much room to begin with.
(sorry, but I can hear the difference from 128 and 192 samples. I like the 192 and higher rates)
Off Topic- I would like a black iPod or iPodMini. Anyone else?
(I don't want a black cover. I want the entire unit to be black)
I have 7875 songs for 22.7 days of music @ 45.21 gigs of file space. I have the 40gig iPod. The key is smart playlists! I have an iPod-loader that selects all songs rated 3 stars or higher. Then I have other playlists, like songs not played in over a year, songs played only once (it took some time to listen to each song, now I have to listen to them all again,) 5 star, 4 star, 3 star lists, etc. etc. This way I can rotate through all my music more evenly than what happens when I go to pick out a CD, and I can select the most important music to fit. Of course, when you delete all the holiday music, I can almost fit everything onto the 30 (really ~36gigs.) And then when we went to Europe for 2 weeks I had to delete all of my NIN and Metallica (cleared ~2gigs) so I could transfer all the digital images we were taking onto the iPod. I would be a music-phile, however.
superhuman, no just decerning
Obviously this all depends on your listening habits. I have 1345 songs or 7.92GB and I lose music at this point, there are entire albums I haven't heard in a month. But, my commute is all of about 10 minutes so I spend much of my time listening to it at work. 1345 songs is 4 days and 6 hours according to iTunes, so if you figure 9 hours a day it takes more than 11 days to play every song once. That's a lot of music and I know people who don't even have more than 10 CDs who would balk at a 15GB player, but who wouldn't mind a mini.
But, I keep adding more music and I'm sure to blow through my 10Gb iPod eventually. Personally, I'm buying a 15Gb next, but for my wife who doesn't listen to music nearly as much as I do, a mini might be the thing.
Obviously this all depends on your listening habits. I have 1345 songs or 7.92GB and I lose music at this point, there are entire albums I haven't heard in a month. But, my commute is all of about 10 minutes so I spend much of my time listening to it at work. 1345 songs is 4 days and 6 hours according to iTunes, so if you figure 9 hours a day it takes more than 11 days to play every song once. That's a lot of music and I know people who don't even have more than 10 CDs who would balk at a 15GB player, but who wouldn't mind a mini.
But, I keep adding more music and I'm sure to blow through my 10Gb iPod eventually. Personally, I'm buying a 15Gb next, but for my wife who doesn't listen to music nearly as much as I do, a mini might be the thing.
lou tsee said:
I disagree, some of the iTMS songs I have you can hear some problems. For example, "S's" become more hissy and electronic sounds become hollowed and metallic at lower bit-rates. This could be a problem with files at iTMS, I haven't compared the same song I ripped myself at several bitrates... I go with 192 normally.
you seem to lack a good ear
The only conditions under which this statement makes any sense is if you're listening with relatively poor audio equipment, earbud headphones or that you simply lack a good ear.
I encode at 320 AAC. I ran a number of tests and there is a clear differnce when the music is played back through my home stereo.
In your defence, there is pherhaps one other condition under which your statement may hold true. That is if you're listening to hip hop or something similar. It most certainly does not hold true for classical for jazz.
Most people on this forum, however, are refering to the play back of music, not noise.
~iGuy
lou tsee said:
The only conditions under which this statement makes any sense is if you're listening with relatively poor audio equipment, earbud headphones or that you simply lack a good ear.
I encode at 320 AAC. I ran a number of tests and there is a clear differnce when the music is played back through my home stereo.
In your defence, there is pherhaps one other condition under which your statement may hold true. That is if you're listening to hip hop or something similar. It most certainly does not hold true for classical for jazz.
Most people on this forum, however, are refering to the play back of music, not noise.
~iGuy
1000 Songs is not nearly enough!
I have ripped my entire CD collection into iTunes (~2500 songs), and this in not even enough! iTunes and iPod have totally changed the way I listen to music. I play at random and listen to songs I have not heard in years! I probably would never have listened to these CDs again had it not been for iTunes and iPod. Now that I am begining to hear the same song twice, I need more.
I have ripped my entire CD collection into iTunes (~2500 songs), and this in not even enough! iTunes and iPod have totally changed the way I listen to music. I play at random and listen to songs I have not heard in years! I probably would never have listened to these CDs again had it not been for iTunes and iPod. Now that I am begining to hear the same song twice, I need more.
iGuy said:
LOL! how true!
i normally encode at 240kbps aac.
i find it a good middle between file size and quality.
2000 songs is just right - 10gigs.
It allows me to have some plays and stories on my old 10 gig iPod - 18 months old and working fine, including battery.
Isnt this why Apple makes a few models, so we can CHOOSE which capacity we want?
Silly piece of research, really.
BTW does anyone know how the positive /negative thing works on these forums?
I have been a member for a year or two and I still dont know......
It allows me to have some plays and stories on my old 10 gig iPod - 18 months old and working fine, including battery.
Isnt this why Apple makes a few models, so we can CHOOSE which capacity we want?
Silly piece of research, really.
BTW does anyone know how the positive /negative thing works on these forums?
I have been a member for a year or two and I still dont know......
Most of my MP3s are encoded in 192k, although i do have some iTMS music downloaded, which doesn't sound that much less than the 192 on my decent car audio system. I am at 445 songs on my laptop, which is about 2.5 gb. I have more on mp3 cd's but most of the ones on the laptop are the ones i listen to at the moment.
rnd said:
blind tests show that aac@128k sounds better than mp3@192k. most people cannot tell which is which if they compare mp3@192k encoded file and the original aiff side by side, and with aac@128k even i cannot sometimes be sure about it, without checking the rta graph visually.
sure, lossy compression loses something, but music is all about listening to it and digital technology is only making it possible.
by the way: how much technical quality is enough? let's face it, 16bit audio is just crap in itself, so encoding it into aac@128k is just fine. i'l be happy when it is feasible to put 24bit/96kHz dvd-audio quality music into the ipods..
JFreak said:
FWIW my pesonal tests say 128 AAC/WMA are not close to 192k MP3. These blind tests can be mainpulated. i.e. choosing music with limited range. The best test is your own.
128k AAC/WMA are very acceptable but I would prefer to have a higher bit-rate archive and downgrade automatically when transferring to a portable.
Yup. I was not really interested in the original iPod, but the Mini made me buy one. I don't need more capacity. My primary buying factor was size and style.
This does seem about right, as most consumer clearly don't have more than 1,000 songs on their computers. I think the iPod Mini will continue to sell well, just like the regular iPod.
Apple must have done their homework before making the iPod Mini.
Apple must have done their homework before making the iPod Mini.
hmmm.....
So now we know, 1000 seems to be the upper limit for your average dude, but... What stops stuff at 1000? Is it money, is it what people are exposed to on the radio, or is that as much as interests people, or they can keep track of? I mean.... I think it varies...lots of people will be pretty satisfied at a level, and not want to spend the money and time to explore more music. But, in places, like a college campus, where little music is obtained legally, it's more a question of just how much you care and how much you pay attention to music. Where is that limit? For people like me, who always want something different and new and more beautiful, there is a limit that I'm running into, where you can't quite know all your music, b/c you don't have the time to get really familiar with all of it, and instead hear a couple of good songs by an artist, and get several of their albums. It's frustrating, b/c I want to get new music, discover new things, but for a good portion of the artists/albums I have, I don't actually know what my favorite songs are, b/c I have been acquiring things too fast. i'm at 7818 songs, or 22.4 days worth...
so, where is the limit, if money isn't a problem?
So now we know, 1000 seems to be the upper limit for your average dude, but... What stops stuff at 1000? Is it money, is it what people are exposed to on the radio, or is that as much as interests people, or they can keep track of? I mean.... I think it varies...lots of people will be pretty satisfied at a level, and not want to spend the money and time to explore more music. But, in places, like a college campus, where little music is obtained legally, it's more a question of just how much you care and how much you pay attention to music. Where is that limit? For people like me, who always want something different and new and more beautiful, there is a limit that I'm running into, where you can't quite know all your music, b/c you don't have the time to get really familiar with all of it, and instead hear a couple of good songs by an artist, and get several of their albums. It's frustrating, b/c I want to get new music, discover new things, but for a good portion of the artists/albums I have, I don't actually know what my favorite songs are, b/c I have been acquiring things too fast. i'm at 7818 songs, or 22.4 days worth...
so, where is the limit, if money isn't a problem?
JFreak said:
It depends on many things - the person, the headphones, the listening environment, the amp if you are using a separate one, etc. 128K aac sounds pretty good until you compare it to the CD. I've done many tests and I can definately tell the difference with my setup until I get to 192K aac - then it starts to becomes difficult with most music. It is still very easy to tell the difference with piano and classical if they are good recordings.
I'm just saying for me 4 gigs would never do unless I were using it for workouts or noisy commutes, but that's only for my own use and my own opinion.
Nny said:
FLAC is not uncompressed lossless. It's one of many compressed lossless formats. It usually cuts down my 10MB/s uncompressed AIFFs by about half (to 5MB/s). Much better than 320kb/s AAC (since it's lossless) but unfortunately there is no plugin for iTunes.
FLAC is a great way to digitize your collection if you are picky about sound quality .....
http://flac.sourceforge.net/index.html