T'hain Esh Kelch
macrumors 604
Look up TV manufacturers. Most of their new TVs does not support 3D.
No, that is not correct, as I've already stated.
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1080p Blu-ray isn’t dead
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Panasonic has over a dozen 2017 3D models in Europe. Several other brands have a few.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_3D_films_(2005_onwards)
3D is for the moment on backseat, because studios and manufactures want to push 4k. Wait a few years, and 3D will return, when 4k 3D is the next big thing.
Michael Scrip
macrumors G3
Yeah! It's the new format for Brexit Britain - the way things are going here! :'( :'( We're also waiting the launch of the new Mini Metro with 4 speed gearbox, wind down windows and MW/LW radio!
From what I can see, it's the older generation/families in the little villages buying into these discs were broadband is still very slow at 6mbps (and will be for some time) as opposed to fibre in every city in the UK were we are demanding 250-400mbps. 🙂 That's my observation from chatting to sales managers of a high end supermarket chain in the UK that decided to sell DVDs last year. They sell CDs too. It's like going back into a timewarp - it makes me feel very uncomfortable!
What was an eye opener was, the other evening whilst cycling, I got talking to some very old people - in their 70s AND all of them said they'd either thrown their DVDs / players away OR put them in their lofts. The reason being was that they get 'enough' from their smart TVs now. Fascinating as I thought they were the generation clinging onto traditions like that. A huge eye opener for me. Apart from AV viewers who spend their life watching TV (not good) who the heck is going to buy a 4K UHD DISC in 2018 when 1. They are £20-35. 2. The young aren't 'paying' for film & they watch it once! 3. They are not readily available on the UK high street 4. There's 30 only in the UK (Amazon). 5. The majority of the players aren't exactly the most sexy, beautifully designed or built things are they??????????
As i've mentioned before, my international friends were downloading film in 2007. They wouldn't even know what a disc was - they'd look at it the same way that we look at 1mb floppy discs now!
Strelok
macrumors 65816
I keep seeing you try to push your opinion as fact. The US market is the biggest TV market from what I remember and 3D isn’t becoming more popular anymore. It was a fad just as it’s been every time it makes an appearance. If you like it, great keep enjoying it, but don’t pretend it’s something the entire world is interested in.
HDR is more useful than 4K, so to the guy comparing an HDR movie to a 10 year old regular Blu-Ray, just LOL. Compare a brand new HDR blu-ray to streaming and you’ll see the difference. Streaming has its place, as do Blu-rays.
mattopotamus
macrumors Pentium
The difference between 1080P and 4K from a sheer resolution standpoint is pretty difficult for the average consumer to tell the difference between. The biggest advantage 4K provides on disc is HDR. That is where you really notice the difference between a 1080P blu ray and a 4K blu ray. That is from a picture quality only standpoint. The real difference is audio quality. Streaming is horrific compared to physical media in this regard.
Plutonius
macrumors G4
I'm always amazed at how good OTA HD looks compared to streaming HD or cable HD.
Menel
Suspended
Does anyone even offer 7.1.2 streaming yet? I'm not sure anyone even offers 7.1? It's ridiculous.
Not to mention probably 80% of TV's pushed on consumers as "HDR" can't really display it. And that's if the TV is even 4K, cheaping out playing rgbw tricks.
mattopotamus
macrumors Pentium
VUDU actually supports ATMOS (lossy version) and 7.1. I am not 100% sure if they support 7.1.2/4 or if it is just 5.1.2 for ATMOS since that would technically be the 7.1 equivalent from a channel standpoint.
Not in the UK, Europa, South Korea, China, Asia, Denmark, Sweden, Norway it's not darling! I can't believe your comment.
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bruinsrme
macrumors 604
Ask women if they would allow an outside uhf/vhf antenna or satellite dish bolted to the chimney or roof. That is why cable has won.
I hate Spectrum cable so much I pay an extra $35 a month of Directvnow on my big screen. My wife wants to hear nothing about changing, its good enough
oneMadRssn
macrumors 603
(1) They have very good antennas these days that don't look that bad and are very discrete. Example or example.
(2) Reception is almost as good if the antenna is in the attic, where nobody can see it anyway. It doesn't have to be outside nor bolted to a chimney or roof.
(3) If you are within 50 miles of a city, even a basic amplified antenna behind the tv will do the job most of the time.
(4) Like most people, women like the idea of reducing/eliminating the monthly cable bill and spending that money on something else. I went down from $120/month for internet+tv package to $40/month for just internet. $80/month to spent on other stuff is not nothing.
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dogslobber
macrumors 601
People are getting solar panels bolted to their roof in droves. Also, in England there's satellite dishes bolted to house everywhere. People will do anything to save cash but somehow cable companies have convinced the masses that ariels are evil.
bruinsrme
macrumors 604
Come to the US. The mind set of many is different. NIMBY not in my backyard (roof or in my sight).
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Come on over. Please bring 15-25 feet of mast, we’re going to need it.
Been there done that.
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oneMadRssn
macrumors 603
Hey man, you haven't said where you are. I assume from your standoffishness that you live in a crummy area for ota reception. That isn't the antenna's fault, and certainly not the fault of the "women."
I live in a super NIMBY state (MA), yet many houses around here have antennas. I receive a signal from 40 miles away with a regular wall antenna. I know people who receive a signal from over 70 miles away with small discrete roof antenna.
If you live 100 miles from a transmitter - then yea, you're SOL. Still not sure why you're blaming "women" though.
I do not need 4K, because i know i will never get a 4K TV ever... That's a acceptable point... Whatever makes us have good image for 'us'
Blue-ray all the way 🙂
It may be last years but not everyone need/wants huge bandwidth caps.
This cal only last so long before we are forced.
Huh? I live in the US and have no idea what you're talking about. I have satellite dishes on my house(even though I cut the cord long ago). I do have a 15' antenna but i've put it in the attic. I was testing some outside the house though. I see lots of people with dishes and antennas.
My wife certainly doesn't care what I do, how I run cables, what dishes are on the house, etc.
I have 2 home theaters and a room full of computers. She's fine with all of it even though she doesn't care about any of it.
bruinsrme
macrumors 604
You my friend are lucky.
Many in my circle all face the same battle. Lousy cable service and wife’s that want the perfect looking house.
I don't know that i'm lucky. I don't know any wives in my circle that care about that(friends, family, coworkers). If you don't cut the cord then satellite is the way to go. Maybe it's cultural? Different parts of the country and such.
I'd just do it anyways if it were me.
loby
macrumors 68020
Yes, I see that too and the quality is not bad (including the price).
I do not understand all of the hostility talk about blu-ray technology around here. Sounds like too much marketers here on this forum for Apple and it’s streaming service. 🙂
If I remember correctly, blu-ray was mainly licensed by Sony and might be why so much hostility. Apple would have to pay to use the technology and at the time they were fighting Sony with their iPod vs. walkman war (and we know who won). It was one reason why Apple dumped the technology, not because of “progress” or “the future”, but marketing for their upcoming iCloud and iTunes, streaming etc.
Reminds me of the “beta” vs “vhs” war. Beta technology was superior, but marketing for inferior vhs technology won at the end of the day.
Just because what is “current” does not mean it is always the best.
Popping a blu-ray (quality is good) into a box and hitting “play” is “technically” much easier and convienent than trying to get Apple TV, iCloud or subscription service going or looking for a data copy on “which External drive?”....
Michael Scrip
macrumors G3
Sure... some people don't care about video quality. But I'm speaking from my point of view.
I can watch 1080p on my phone... most cable TV is at least 720p... and I can't even remember the last time I saw a 480p video on Youtube.
So there's no way I'd spend real money on a 480p DVD to watch on a giant TV... even if it was in the $5 bin at the store. 🙂
I'm not too keen on buying movies anyway. I'm more of a rental guy. Rarely is there a movie I want to watch again and again and again.
I'd rather rent a movie from iTunes in HD for $6 and watch it once than buy the movie on DVD for $5 and own it forever. DVDs (to me) are a poor investment.
I have a friend who buys a few DVDs every month. This is in addition to about 500 DVDs she already owns. I want to tell her:
1. You haven't even watched 1/10 of the movies you already have... so why keep buying more?
2. You're buying terrible video quality... 480p on your 65" LCD TV.
But yeah... it keeps happening. People keep buying DVDs.
Not me! Though if I was to buy plastic discs... it would definitely be Blu-Ray! 😛
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loby
macrumors 68020
Understand your point and well taken.
It really depends I guess on preference and how large your TV or Movie screen is as well. I think the average consumer does not yet have a monstrous large screen, though probably many on this forum may have. I do, but DVD and Blu-ray still looks fine...
Basic business is that if it does not sell, then you don't make it or sell it. Well...DVD and Bl-rays are still selling, so that means that people are still buying. They keep making DVD and Blu-rays, even after Apple "tells" everyone it is a waste. Why? Because people still want them.
If you plan on watching a movie just once, then paying $6 for a rental may works since there are no rental stores really anymore in the U.S. Netflix and other services take up that option now. If you plan on watching a movie more than once, then sometimes owning it is more cost efficient then having to rely on subscription and streaming. Space to store is not that bad with disks, depending on how you do it.
Outside the U.S., DVD and Blu-ray technology are still popular. I was surprise to walk into a Tower Records in Japan and I had a flashback to the 1990's in the U.S. Looked "just" like the stores that I use to go to back in 1990's. Some place prefer paper books and physical DVD and Blu-rays still over digital cloud and subscription stuff, especially outside the U.S. Apple and others are trying to break into these markets...but the consumer has different preferences and likes and they really don't want subscription or digital stuff like that.
I know it is hard to believe, (apple) but some places in the world have different tastes and likes than the U.S.
I am a big techie and use everything...but going back to DVD and Blu-rays (because I work in other countries now) made me remember how "easy" it is to use and less of a hassle than the current options. I can go to a DVD & Blu-ray store (again outside of the U.S.) rent a DVD for $1 or $2.50 or $3.00 for Blu-ray depending on how recent. Keep it a week or so to watch. I forgot How I use to like going to the store and looking around physically and find something to watch...or physically read if desired.
Again, maybe preference of course...but I have done both sides of the coin and find DVD and Blu-rays easier overall to just pop-in and hit "play" instead of the all of the costs for cloud, subscription, iTV, iTunes "bla bla" or trying to find a digital movie on external drive. I can just go to my shelf, grab a physical disk that does not take up much space, pop it in..and quality (especially Blu-ray) is good.
I work in the corporate video industry and I find myself pulling out my old MacBook Pro 2010 more so lately that has a DVD player, make a DVD quickly to view and see the results before making digital or other media formats for my clients. Reliable and faster...cost is cheap now to do. I even have again started to use the MacBook Pro 2010 to watch movies. I was amazed at myself. It was "just easier".