11-Inch and 13-Inch OLED iPad Pro Displays Made by Different Suppliers

[Sheepish-Lord]

Tell me, is there any OLED with 11~16 inch size and high peak brightness? iPhone's screen is small and therefore, it does NOT represent other devices. Smartphone/TV and 11~32 inch OLED are totally different markets. Cant really compare each other and at least iPhone doesn't really turn on every single day unlike iPad or Mac.

Having 2000 nit on iPhone vs iPad/Mac is totally different. If not, OLED supposed to be widely adapted already but in reality, it never did. And even iPhone gets burn-in easily so I dont see the point when iPad/Mac requires professional grade quality and trustworthy.

Samsungs S9 Ultra tablet has 950 peak so there you go. I didn’t compare TVs and tablets but two smaller form factors by the same company representing miniLED and OLED. Apple is the only company to have both technologies in their lineup to my knowledge. No idea what you’re talking about when you say the iPhone doesn’t turn on everyday.

Bottom line, even now the tech is there and Apple could very well show off new OLED panels by LG/Samsung. MiniLED was never the answer but a small blip until OLED got better and the prices for MicroLED become a lot less.

 

[sunny5]

Samsungs S9 Ultra tablet has 950 peak so there you go. I didn’t compare TVs and tablets but two smaller form factors by the same company representing miniLED and OLED. Apple is the only company to have both technologies in their lineup to my knowledge. No idea what you’re talking about when you say the iPhone doesn’t turn on everyday.

Bottom line, even now the tech is there and Apple could very well show off new OLED panels by LG/Samsung. MiniLED was never the answer but a small blip until OLED got better and the prices for MicroLED become a lot less.

Samsung S9 Ultra is FAR from being professional lol. Do you really think the peak brightness means everything? Beside, it doens't really hold at peak brightness just like other OLED devices where peak brightness is advertised. Dont be fooled by them. Even iPhone doesn't really go up to 2000 nit and even then, it can NOT sustain the peak brightness. That's a trick that OLED usually use. Also, OLED consume more power than LCD at peak brightness. Specs does NOT really tell you the whole story.

Burn-in is still an issue and that's why most of professional monitors are still LCD based.

 

[makeitrainnaren]

I want MLA OLED (Micro lens array), which is similar to what the Vision Pro uses. When you stack two panels on top of each other you get way more luminance (2000-3000 nits)

 

[Sheepish-Lord]

Samsung S9 Ultra is FAR from being professional lol. Do you really think the peak brightness means everything? Beside, it doens't really hold at peak brightness just like other OLED devices where peak brightness is advertised. Dont be fooled by them. Even iPhone doesn't really go up to 2000 nit and even then, it can NOT sustain the peak brightness. That's a trick that OLED usually use. Also, OLED consume more power than LCD at peak brightness. Specs does NOT really tell you the whole story.

Burn-in is still an issue and that's why most of professional monitors are still LCD based.

You asked for another OLED panel that’s tablet sized with high peak brightness and I gave you one. Now you try to say peak brightness isn’t everything and the Samsung Ultra tablet isn’t “pro” enough. Just admit you’re wrong and I would argue Samsungs Dex is a more pro feature then anything iPads have.

Yes, you’re correct a Sony Professional Monitor is LCD but it’s also $30K and is limited to 32” or so.

 

[sunny5]

You asked for another OLED panel that’s tablet sized with high peak brightness and I gave you one. Now you try to say peak brightness isn’t everything and the Samsung Ultra tablet isn’t “pro” enough. Just admit you’re wrong and I would argue Samsungs Dex is a more pro feature then anything iPads have.

Yes, you’re correct a Sony Professional Monitor is LCD but it’s also $30K and is limited to 32” or so.

And that's not a professional device like iPad Pro. Beside the quality sucks on it and it never known for high quality. Literally, nobody use Samsung tablet over iPad Pro for professional uses in terms of display quality.

Like I said, it still suffers from burn in and therefore, their peak brightness is only a theoretical brightness and it can NOT sustain peak brightness. You see, you failed to understand how OLED works. OLED never advertise the sustainable brightness instead of peak brightness because that's a huge problem due to burn-in.

You are telling me that Samsung Tablet's OLED is great just because of peak brightness. How about color accuracy? Uniformity? Color range? Peak and sustain brightness? Life span? and more? If you wanna talk about professional monitors, brightness is just one of the element.

So you are totally wrong as you know nothing about OLED after all.

 

[Pezimak]

I don't know - I far prefer using a tablet/iPad for almost every task from web browsing to email, to watching shows/YouTube, etc. And Stage Manager alone is a feature that makes an iPad preferable to a phone.

I tried Stage Manager nd it just annoyed the hell out of me lol. I didn’t find it working well on an 11” screen.

It's gonna be very expensive because of OLED itself, LPTO, Two Stack Tandem, 11~13 size, high specs, and more. Two stack tandem itself cost 2~3 times than typical OLED so I dont think it will be cheap. Beside OLED for 11~32 inch with high pixel density is totally rare and not profitable due to high manufacturing cost and difficult to mass produce.

Samsung tablets have been using OLED for quite some time now, a few years I believe, so not sure about them being difficult to manufacture? I’m not sure it’ll offer any real benefits that will be worth the rumoured doubling of the iPad Pros starting price.

The iPad can do a lot more than an iPhone can. For example...

So can the iPhone 15 Pro, same OS same USB C connectivity, doesn’t have Stage Manager though.

Nota at all, I said there os very little I can’t do on an iPad that i could do with a Comptuer.

Apps are that makes it worsted, Affinity, DaVinci, LumaFusion, Office, those pro app makes it a pro machine not the OS.

The os has its quirks and could def be better, but it’s not the reason why it is not a “computer”.

Thereis little i do in Finder on computer anyway, it’s just for organizing things, the rest is done in app, wich the iPad makes very well.

It does not do the same as an iPhone, it does more than an iPhon could (re read my post. there is little I cannot do with an iPad and could not do many thing with the iPhone only. As in there is little i cannot do with an iPad that i could on a computer. Don’t here is much more i can do with an iPad that i could not to with a phone).
THere is no way i could proficiently do on an iPhone with the mentioned apps, while they are perfect on iPads.

I agree with the Apple commercial, what’s a computer? as i barely use one nowadays, there is simply less need for it (for many, not all usage scenarios)

LumaFusion is on the iPhone, so is Office and Davinci, do they make the iPhone Pro ‘Pro’? I’ve read posts from people also state that the iPad version of apps are not as feature rich and lacking compared to their computer counterpart versions, also computers have fully fledged file systems, iOS does not. You have to do workarounds to do something even like renaming a file.
I still stand by my point, great you use an iPad instead of a computer, but it really is still a blown up iPhone thanks to the OS. No doubt Apple will put the M3 in it next month, which will be a complete waste.

 

[sunny5]

Samsung tablets have been using OLED for quite some time now, a few years I believe, so not sure about them being difficult to manufacture? I’m not sure it’ll offer any real benefits that will be worth the rumoured doubling of the iPad Pros starting price.

And poor OLED quality. I said, there are a few tablets and monitors are OLED based but that's really rare. Instead, it only shows why it's so difficult to use OLED. Beside, what Apple is asking is totally different than Samsung as it requires higher peak brightness and professional grade panels which Samsung and LG couldn't till recently.

 

[Neodym]

Still not sure that display will be worth the price hike.

Yeah, who wants stinky miniLED with a brighter display than OLED, and with zero burn in risk? Ick.

The other day I was browsing pictures on my M1 Mini-LED iPad Pro. For a better view I shared the picture to my OLED TV.

In direct comparison, the picture quality on the iPad Pro looked really poor, with washed-out colors and less contrast. I will definitely pay close attention to those new OLED iPads!

 

[snipr125]

Hmm so is there the possibility that Mini LED will be handed down to the new iPad Airs then, now that the Pros are getting OLED screens? Or is there zero chance of that happening?

 

[EugW]

Hmm so is there the possibility that Mini LED will be handed down to the new iPad Airs then, now that the Pros are getting OLED screens? Or is there zero chance of that happening?

There is always that possibility, but I personally don't expect it.

 

[yabeweb]

I tried Stage Manager nd it just annoyed the hell out of me lol. I didn’t find it working well on an 11” screen.



Samsung tablets have been using OLED for quite some time now, a few years I believe, so not sure about them being difficult to manufacture? I’m not sure it’ll offer any real benefits that will be worth the rumoured doubling of the iPad Pros starting price.



So can the iPhone 15 Pro, same OS same USB C connectivity, doesn’t have Stage Manager though.

LumaFusion is on the iPhone, so is Office and Davinci, do they make the iPhone Pro ‘Pro’? I’ve read posts from people also state that the iPad version of apps are not as feature rich and lacking compared to their computer counterpart versions, also computers have fully fledged file systems, iOS does not. You have to do workarounds to do something even like renaming a file.
I still stand by my point, great you use an iPad instead of a computer, but it really is still a blown up iPhone thanks to the OS. No doubt Apple will put the M3 in it next month, which will be a complete waste.

While some of them are on iPhone they do not have All the feature they have on iPad and it is impossible to be productive on an iPhone screen size (as i am not a dwarf i guess regular sized screen for productivity is a must.).

Affinity has 1.1 feature parity between Desktop and iPad OS, so yes they make the iPad “pro” also there is no Afffinity on iPhone, and as I work with it I couldn’t even if i wanted to try..
You can stand your point, it’s fair, but it is your point, other people actually use the device how it was ment to and fully enjoy the experience.

It’s great to have choice, you get to keep your iPhone, I get to keep my iPad

 

[Rafterman]

There is always that possibility, but I personally don't expect it.

I doubt it too. Apple doesn't care about skyrocketing iPad Pro prices, but the regualr iPads and Airs, they probably don't want to raise the price points.

But I can't wait to see what they do with the Mini. Though that might come later in the year.

 

[EugW]

I've said this before, and this applies just to my own needs and wants, but I probably won't be buying another laptop anytime soon for myself. I still have a 2017 12" MacBook and for the rare times I need a laptop, it still works fine. But the key word here is "rare". I work mostly from home now so I use my Mac mini at home for work related things. In fact, these days I only turn on my MacBook a few times a month. For anything portable with a need for a bigger screen than an iPhone, I used my iPad Pro 2017, paired with a keyboard. (Actually, temporarily it's just an old iPad Air 2 since I gave my iPad Pro away, so I need a new iPad Pro and matching keyboard this year.)

Did the iPad Pro do everything my MacBook did? No. However, the iPad Pro is much more convenient overall, and there are things that the iPad Pro does that the MacBook cannot, especially for media consumption. When I would go on a business trip, I'd bring BOTH my iPad Pro and MacBook with me. The iPad Pro was much more useful for content consumption on the road, and in my hotel room the iPad Pro could double as an external monitor for my MacBook (like for Excel or PowerPoint or whatever). However, for any non-business trip where I needed to bring something bigger than an iPhone, I'd bring only the tablet plus keyboard. The MacBook stayed home.

tl;dr:

When I went on business trips, I'd bring both the iPad Pro and MacBook.
When I went on personal trips, I'd bring only the iPad Pro.
I will keep my old 2017 MacBook around for the rare times I need it, but I will be replacing my 2017 iPad Pro with a 2024 iPad Pro, with a new Smart or Magic Keyboard too.

 

[FitzRoy]

wow. discussions of the screen which we didn't see yet 🤣

 

[Tagbert]

iPhone 15 Pro (oled):

• 1000 nits max brightness (typical); 1600 nits peak brightness (HDR); 2000 nits peak brightness (outdoor)

MacBook Pro (miniLED):

• XDR brightness: 1000 nits sustained full-screen, 1600 nits peak (HDR content only)
• SDR brightness: 600 nits

Which one is brighter exactly? These aren’t TV’s…
You should really research burn-in more instead of regurgitating the same thing from 10yrs ago. When is the last time a normal users iPhone had burn-in, which would be more inline with how iPads are used vs a laptop/desktop.

The burn-in risk on a phone is less as they are configured to shut off the screen as quickly as possible. Tablets tend to display the same image for longer periods like a MacBook and burn-in is more of a risk. Hopefully these new dual-layer OLEDs can reduce the risk enough.

 

[Tagbert]

The other day I was browsing pictures on my M1 Mini-LED iPad Pro. For a better view I shared the picture to my OLED TV.

In direct comparison, the picture quality on the iPad Pro looked really poor, with washed-out colors and less contrast. I will definitely pay close attention to those new OLED iPads!

Or the iPad was showing an accurate rending of the colors and the TV was showing a juiced up image like they used to use in electronics stores to get people to buy a TV. TVs generally ship with the saturation and contrast cranked up well beyond reality.

 

[Neodym]

Or the iPad was showing an accurate rending of the colors and the TV was showing a juiced up image like they used to use in electronics stores to get people to buy a TV. TVs generally ship with the saturation and contrast cranked up well beyond reality.

Because OLED must not be better, so the TV must have unrealistic settings .

In tests, my TV has been reviewed as being delivered with pretty neutral settings and offering a very good picture quality. And it isn’t a bargain-basement offer from some unknown Chinese manufacturer, which may ship with boosted settings.

But even if my OLED TV has its settings „cranked up well beyond reality“: For me the only relevant criteria is how _I_ like it! I couldn’t care less if some multi-thousand dollar test device declares deviations from what someone once defined arbitrarily as „neutral“.

Because visual perception is very individual, so there is nothing like an „objective neutrality“ in that. Two persons standing right next to each other, looking at nature, will never have an identical perception of what’s around them.

Thus my personal impression is the only relevant criteria for me and there OLED simply looks leaps and bounds better than the highly praised Mini-LED display in the iPad Pro. On its own, I’d still consider it being of high quality. But compared to a modern OLED screen, it’s simply a magnitude of difference.

If other people don’t like that, it’s their problem, not mine.

edit: typo.

 

[Pezimak]

While some of them are on iPhone they do not have All the feature they have on iPad and it is impossible to be productive on an iPhone screen size (as i am not a dwarf i guess regular sized screen for productivity is a must.).

Affinity has 1.1 feature parity between Desktop and iPad OS, so yes they make the iPad “pro” also there is no Afffinity on iPhone, and as I work with it I couldn’t even if i wanted to try..
You can stand your point, it’s fair, but it is your point, other people actually use the device how it was ment to and fully enjoy the experience.

It’s great to have choice, you get to keep your iPhone, I get to keep my iPad

Well I still think of them as larger iPhones, and the UI can be extremely annoying, the mount of times I’ve scrolled through my web pages in the tab view, and the damn thing has gone ‘oh you want to open that page into a new window here you go’, when I did nothing of the sort but now have to mess about closing it as you can’t re-add it back to your main list. So it’s another feature you turn off to avoid accidental action, or live with its over sensitivity.

 

[svish]

Just like iPhones. Multiple suppliers for panel. Should not make any difference in the end for consumers. Hopefully the price hike due to OLED displays won't be high.

 

[MobiusStrip]

iPad Pro: an insulting, overpriced gimmick because it has no headphone jack.

 

[seek3r]

I thought mini/micro-led was the future..

Gonna take a while for microled to scale up to be affordable for this size. The screens on the AVP are microled I believe, so it’s starting, but itll be years before we have those screens on ipads or macbooks. My bet is next is watches, followed by pro phones

 

[MobiusStrip]

Micro-LED is clearly the future, but starting with TVs.

 

[julesme]

It sounds like you are disabling HDR and forcing it to SDR. Presumably that will increase the average brightness, but will turn off the ability to display proper bright highlights.

OTOH, what the iPad Pro 11" is likely doing in regular mode is properly displaying the HDR content for movies, but you have to turn up the brightness, so that bright highlights are bright, and non-bright content isn't dark.

If that is the case, it appears to be working as intended. BTW, this wouldn't be limited to the Apple TV app. Other video players that can display HDR content on the iPad Pro may behave similarly.

Unfortunately, it's not working as intended; it's a well-known issue that's been discussed ad nauseum on Reddit.

Try watching Nightmare Alley (or any other HDR film with nighttime / dark scenes) on an iPad Pro 11" on max brightness. It's almost impossible to see detail in the dark areas (unless you turn the iPad to lower power mode). However, if you play the same movie on any other app, such as Amazon, Pluto TV, etc, it looks perfectly fine.

 

[EugW]

Unfortunately, it's not working as intended; it's a well-known issue that's been discussed ad nauseum on Reddit.

Try watching Nightmare Alley (or any other HDR film with nighttime / dark scenes) on an iPad Pro 11" on max brightness. It's almost impossible to see detail in the dark areas (unless you turn the iPad to lower power mode). However, if you play the same movie on any other app, such as Amazon, Pluto TV, etc, it looks perfectly fine.

Part of the problem is the iPad Pro 11" itself and its LCD screen that does not have FALD support. Also, are you trying to watch it in a room with ambient lighting? Cuz that often won't work well for night-time HDR content if the HDR is properly displayed. What you are describing is like the Game of Thrones night scenes, where the dark scenes are mastered with a proper display and properly (un)lit room in mind. If you watch on an OLED in a room with low ambient light, with a proper streaming source, it will look awesome. However, if you are trying to watch in a room during the daytime it may look like crap, especially on a standard non-FALD LCD. This is a well known issue, but Apple's approach is actually the proper approach if you want to maintain the original cinematographer's intent. The problem with this approach however is if you don't have the proper display and background lighting, and/or if you don't have a pristine streaming source, it can look quite bad.

Other companies will assume you have a bad setup, and basically change the parameters of the lighting so that darks are no longer so dark and brights are no longer so bright, basically a dynamic range compression for lighting. Changing the display to SDR mode effectively does this too. PlutoTV probably does something like this given that they cater to the low end. As for Amazon, it depends. Sometimes they push high quality HDR, and sometimes they don't.

Specifically with the iPad Pro 11", this is one of the main reasons why I have refused to upgrade my 10.5" 2017 iPad Pro until this year. I don't want to buy another LCD iPad Pro. The technology is simply sub-par when it comes to displaying these types of scenes. Good quality OLED will solve this problem, if paired with low ambient lighting and a proper good quality streaming source. Mini-LED like in the 12.9" model could help a bit over the non-FALD LCD in the 11" model, but it's still sub-par, so I'm not interested in mini-LED either.

tl;dr:

It sounds like Apple approach here is as intended, but unfortunately you need high quality display equipment and proper lighting conditions to view it properly. A current iPad Pro 11" is very problematic in this context, but a good quality OLED model would solve this problem, at least in rooms with low ambient lighting, without Apple TV having to change the original video stream in any way.

P.S. While I must have OLED for my iPad Pro purchase (or iPad Air? - probably not), I don't care as much on my iPhone since I don't watch much video like that on my iPhone. The videos I watch on my iPhone are news reports and funny videos and stuff like that, so I'd be fine with an LCD iPhone. However, ironically, I've had an OLED iPhone for years, but still don't have my desired OLED iPad.

 

[pdoherty]

So can the iPhone 15 Pro, same OS same USB C connectivity, doesn’t have Stage Manager though.

Hmmm a third-party app and not an Apple-supported thing.