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Re: Closet Switchers

Originally posted by pgulliver


Do you feel you can multitask well? Once several apps are started, does it take much time to switch between them?



I have been able to do a lot of things at the same time...even with just 256megs of RAM....I'm the type of person that likes to open it once and leave it open...

Also, I'm a "keyboard guy"...so it has taken a little while to get use to all the short cuts...but I have gotten faster in the short time I've had it!
 
Re: Closet Switchers

Originally posted by pgulliver
MightyB, you know all too well the pain of the closet switcher.

Good to hear your positive review...that makes sense, its worth a little slowness to be able to do all these other things.

Do you feel you can multitask well? Once several apps are started, does it take much time to switch between them?

Also, I've heard scrolling is sluggish in programs like Word. Has anyone found this to be the case? I write and research A LOT and definitely don't want to deal with sluggish scrolling either in browser or my Word.

I'm a switcher as well.

I got the G4 iMac shortly after it came out. I thought I'd just use Windows in emulation. I soon stared liking OS X much better.

Right now I'm using an Athlon 2000 PC with 512 MB DDR RAM. I sold my iMac about 2 months ago, and the only reason I have a PC now is because I'm waiting for the G5 (I hope I can resist the G4 Cube that long).

In my opinion, I really don't notice the snappiness much. However, I do notice the multitasking difference. OS X's performance did not falter even with 10+ applications open at the same time. On windows, however, I see a noticable slowdown.

The only things that are a lot faster on the PC are games. have a GeForce 3 Ti, which is much faster than the iMac's GeForce 2 MX.

I recently made a list of applications I use on a daily basis, and found that about 75% have a macintosh version, about 15% have a better macintosh replacement (i.e. Internet Explorer < Safari) and the remaining two applications, well, are cable modem uncapping apps.

I would definately make the switch (again). In fact, I'm waiting for an iBook right now. I'm probably going to sell it to buy a Cube.
 
Re: Re: Closet Switchers

Originally posted by Computer_Phreak

I recently made a list of applications I use on a daily basis, and found that about 75% have a macintosh version, about 15% have a better macintosh replacement (i.e. Internet Explorer < Safari) and the remaining two applications, well, are cable modem uncapping apps.

I found this VERY helpfull as well....once again..it was just my "fear" of learning something new....but after all was said and done...it was smoother than I thought....
 
Applications

Yeah, I'm not worried about applications....all I do is write, surf, and use excel. Not to demanding. I'm hoping switching to Mac will get me using MORE apps (ie iApps to start with.)

Well, guess there's nothing left to do but whip out my credit card........

Although of course there are little voices telling me, "wait for the 15.4 alBook update" "wait till the summer, maybe there will be a 12" Rev 2" "wait until Intel Centrino notebooks come out, check them"

So difficult to actually spend this much money, I have become way, WAY, to cautious....
 
One thing not being mentioned is the metal skin of the PowerBook series. From what I have seen in forums (this and others), on ebay, and talking to people that own the current PB, it is not a durable machine, physically speaking. Very dent and/or crack prone. New 12"/17" aren't painted, so that is better. But still, the bounce back capabilities of metal vs plastic can't be ignored. I have seen many many G3 PB Pismo or older stuff, that is still in really nice shape. Even after the occasional "oopsy" drop and what not. I fully realize that laptops are treated with the most care possible, but in 4 years... I don't know, something will happen.

And then I look at my girlfriends iBook 800 that has been dropped twice (coffee table height) in the 3 months or so that she has owned it... and it looks great. Works great too. Reminds me of the old Timex ads with the tagline "takes a licking and keeps on ticking."
 
Re: switching slowness

Originally posted by pgulliver
Thank you yzedf.

That's my feeling as well, I didn't want to report to the obvious troll, but that guy really pissed me off.

I matters because while I have taken the time to learn about Mac, OS X, etc, and am really impressed and want to embrace it, it is difficult for me to justify spending the sums of money required for a decent Mac, and then get performance (not design) the equals a midlevel two year old PC desktop.

I know Apple has chip speed problems, I hope the 970 solves this.

But you're not going to get switchers to feel good about the choice if you insult them.

i agree, but if you get frusterated with things like an application taking six bounces instead of two...then the mac is probably not for you at this moment. or maybe you need the highend model 17". us mac users are waiting for that 970 to come and save our performance issues. we tend to appreciate the well thought out OS and keep in mind that speed is on the way. soooooo if speed is a major factor you may want to wait before you switch. that way when we get the 970, you can make the switch with more confidence. i really dont mind waiting for six bounces....although im not sure if i have any apps. that take six bounces. anyway good luck and ignore the buttheads.
 
Re: Applications

Originally posted by pgulliver
Yeah, I'm not worried about applications....all I do is write, surf, and use excel.

i do this and more on my 800 MHz ibook and i'm very happy with it. cheaper and more durable imho -- might want to have a look.
 
Re: Applications

Originally posted by pgulliver


I use a 500 mhz iBook running 10.2.4 (320 MB of RAM), and my girlfriend has a 466 mhz Celeron running Win2k. They are roughly equivalent hardware wise (500 mhz G3 is a better processor than the 466 mhz Celeron, but really both processors are totally crippled by a 66 mhz memory bus), and I would have to say that I don't really think her Windows machine is any "snappier" than my iBook. Safari definitely "feels" faster on the iBook than IE does on the Celeron. Now, in fairness, the Celeron only has 128 MB of RAM, but even running only one or two apps right after restart - when memory shouldn't be much of an issue - it still doesn't seem particularly fast. Of course, the Pentium4 desktops in our computer lab generally feel more responsive than the 500 mhz iBook, but that is no surprise. They do feel less stable when running several apps though (as in, apps crash more often, though they generally don't bring down the OS), despite the fact that they are all running WinXP/Win2k.

Until the release of Safari, I would have said that the two important apps with performance problems on the Mac platform are the browser and Office. Now I would just say Office. Excel and Word under OS X definitely lag running on a 500 mhz iBook. It's been a while since I was forced to use Office extensively on the Windows platform, but I would bet that it performs significantly better on equivalent hardware (though with all the bloat they keep adding, who knows). Office 2001 for Mac performed okay, however, so hopefully over time Office for OS X will improve. Furthermore, you should be aware that the new Powerbooks and iBooks are in general MUCH more responsive than my 500 mhz iBook (the 66 mhz bus must really cripple this thing), so I assume that Office performance is similarly improved (which is to say, it should be usable, if not exactly lightning fast).

As for RAM, more than 256 MB could definitely make a difference. In particular, a demo model may not have been restarted in some time, so a lot of the memory may be in use from various processes that have not been quit and memory leaks. So even if you have only a couple apps open, a high percentage of the physical memory could be in use if the machine hasn't been restarted in a long time. I would definitely recommend upgrading to 640 MB.

As a final note, it's not really fair to compare application opening speeds on a G4 laptop versus a PIII desktop. Laptop hard drives spin at much lower speeds than desktop drives, and drive speed will be the main factor in determining how fast apps open. I still think Windows will be a bit faster on this metric than OS X on equivalent hardware, but that is just because OS X is still being optimized. I really wouldn't worry too much about it - once you open an app in OS X you can just keep it open if you have enough RAM.

In just about everything other than the specific performance concerns related above (i.e. running Office on my extra-slow hardware), the Mac is just so much better than the PC. There aren't as many games of course, but I don't have enough time to waste playing tons of games (and if I did, I'd get a PS2 anyway). It's just so much more refined and it works better. In my opinion it's like comparing a Lexus to a Taurus...if you tune the Taurus's engine right, it will probably be faster, but I'd still rather be driving the Lexus any day.
 
Demo versions suck.

Demo computers usually do not come with maxed out RAM (640Mb). Once you max out the RAM, it will make things run a little smoother.
 
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