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Doesn't quite work.

Originally posted by dcharris
New Math:
Have a 20 inch cinema display on your desk and a little AL with superdrive in your "pocket" for the same price as the 17 !!!

The 12" has VGA only so you'd need to buy a VGA-DV/ADC adapter ($$$).

Formac is supposed to come out with a nice 17" VGA display at around $600.
 
Update on 12" PB fan noise.

Well, my initial observations that this is a quiet machine seem valid - most of the time.

Playing iTunes with graphics on Full Screen or converting media will turn the fan on high - and it's *very* noticeable.

I think somebody used the term "leaf blower". Well not quite but "leaf blower down the street" loud it is. The rest of the time it's damn quiet.

The heat seems to be coming from the hard drive not the processor.

I wonder if the 60 GB HD is as hot?


moby1
 
re: Doesn't quite work

Thanks, I stand corrected.

Apple fails to point out the AL12's failings in their promo for the CVI to ADC Adapter:

"The DVI to ADC Adapter is a compact device that enables you to use Apple?s all-digital, flat-panel displays, including the stunning new 23-inch Cinema HD Display, with the new PowerBook G4 via its integrated Digital Visual Interface (DVI) port. And it?s now just $99."
 
60GB hot too!

Moby wonders if the 60GB is as hot
Yeh baby! Only had it three days (and only got the 60GB cos my local AppleStore couldn't deliver the 40GB I ordered)
Anyway seems to heat up lots as it charges, then cools down dramatically once fully juiced.
Almost too hot to handle.
As a Switcher I have to say I'm
a) v.impressed with the whole OS X thang
b) v.impressed with the Apps
c) happy I've finally bitten the Apple!
 
Originally posted by dcharris
New Math:
Have a 20 inch cinema display on your desk and a little AL with superdrive in your "pocket" for the same price as the 17 !!!

I'm old school...I use my laptop screen at home as well.
 
More first impressions

I was amazed by how quick the setup was. Plugged in the ethernet and transferred 2gigs from a different hard drive all in about 5 minutes. And in another 5 minutes I put in an airport card and have that running. One complaint I have is the trackpad button. Maybe it is just mine but it seems to stick a lot. The reason for it is because it comes in contact with the area around it when you press it down. I think it just needs to be a fraction smaller. Has anyone else had this problem?
 
The touchpad buttons seem to be in some ways a 'common' complaint... here's my experience/theory about them:

The first 12" AlBook I used was at a showroom in a local Apple Store, I immediately noticed that the touchpad was a little screwy, the button seemed to 'stick.' I was a little dismayed about it, and wondered if it was just a defect in this particular unit, but after looking on the 'net it seemed that there were several people mentioning it... however, a few minutes later I ran into Apple's regional sales guy, who had dropped off that AlBook at that store, and he also had one (a second one) and when I asked him about it, he let me play with the button on his... and his was just fine, it felt very similar to the button on the iBook.

My theory is that the 'sticky button' is a Rev A Problem, it seems like only the very earliest shipping and display model Powerbooks seem to have this defect... I just ordered my 12" a week ago, so I'm hoping to get a slighty 'later' model. If I do get a sticky button though, i fully intend to ship it back to apple and demand that it's fixed, or that I get a new AlBook.

So... don't worry about it too much if you're ordering now. Once my AlBook gets here I'll post the details about whether or not I got a stickybutton one.
 
The common consensus regarding the "sticky mouse button" on the 12" is not that they have already changed production specs, but that over a few days usage, the button seems to get better. That would explain why the one the Apple guy dropped off was harder to use than the one he had presumably been using for a while.. It's not that he has a 'newer' 12".

-mikey
 
I'll let you know

I've only had my computer for a couple days now and it is getting plenty of use so I hope it does wear down a little bit. It is rubbing by just a tiny fraction so I think you are probably right. It is frustrating enough that I want to buy a mouse. When is apple going to make a bluetooth aluminum mouse. I would buy one in a second. Thanks for the feedback.
 
I don't understand the problem with the trackpad...can someone explain it better? I've been using the 12" pBook for a week or so and it hasn't been annoying in any way.
 
Trackpad problem

The problem with my trackpad is the button. If I press the button on the corners it will stick down. The friction between the button and the sides causes it to stay stuck for about 1 second. The only way I can avoid the problem is to press the trackpad button in the dead center. Press down the corner of your trackpad button and see if it sticks. The button only needs to a fraction smaller and it would not happen. It also seems like I am able to move the button around a little but from side to side which either improves or makes the sticking worse. I guess I'll just keep pressing it in the middle because I just got everything setup and cant imagine not having this thing around even for a day.
 
Re: Trackpad problem

Originally posted by bellis1
The problem with my trackpad is the button. If I press the button on the corners it will stick down. The friction between the button and the sides causes it to stay stuck for about 1 second. The only way I can avoid the problem is to press the trackpad button in the dead center. Press down the corner of your trackpad button and see if it sticks. The button only needs to a fraction smaller and it would not happen. It also seems like I am able to move the button around a little but from side to side which either improves or makes the sticking worse. I guess I'll just keep pressing it in the middle because I just got everything setup and cant imagine not having this thing around even for a day.

Mine doesn't do it, but I can see how cheesy the button really is when I press it on the corners.
 
Apple probably built the trackpad button glitch in on purpose. It really is a useless bit of extra hardware now that trackpad click, drag and drop are all so well implemented (setup on System Preferences>Mouse). It took a sticky button on my PB G3 to get me weaned off it for good. Make the switch - you won't look back!
 
Re: About that Graphics Card...

Originally posted by WorldMage
For a bit less $$ I can get a 1Ghz PM with a much nicer graphics card and of course the possability to upgrade the card later - of course then I can't sit on the couch and surf with it.
Unless you have asbestos-lined trousers, you won't want to sit on a couch with a PB12" in your lap (for long). Sizzzzle...!

But there again you could always buy a Laptop Desk I suppose...
 
Re: Re: About that Graphics Card...

Originally posted by iAndy
Unless you have asbestos-lined trousers, you won't want to sit on a couch with a PB12" in your lap (for long). Sizzzzle...!

But there again you could always buy a Laptop Desk I suppose...

Do you own this laptop? I do...and I sit on my couch with it all of the time...it is hot, but it will not burn you. Apple could be sued if they make their laptops hot enough to burn I would imagine.
 
My 12" PowerBook is now for sale!

Details are at this thread .

I decided I needed the larger screen of the 15" PowerBook and grabbed a discounted TiBook. Obviously, I can't keep both (though it'd sure be nice!).

Questions are welcome but please wait until near when the listing starts (see link).


moby1
 
Re: Re: Re: About that Graphics Card...

Originally posted by JSRockit
Do you own this laptop? I do...and I sit on my couch with it all of the time...it is hot, but it will not burn you. Apple could be sued if they make their laptops hot enough to burn I would imagine.
I'm truly pleased to hear that you can happily use the PB12 on your lap - this has been one of my biggest concerns about the PB12".
Although I unfortunately do not own a PB12" (waiting to compare specs to new PB15.4"), I have played around with a demo version on a number of occasions and found it VERY hot on my lap. :eek: In fairness the demo PB had been switched on for a few hours, but I often use my laptop for 6-8 hours at a time anyway. There again maybe I just have a lower pain threshhold than you..? ;)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: About that Graphics Card...

Originally posted by iAndy
There again maybe I just have a lower pain threshhold than you..? ;)

I think that is what it comes down to...some people will get annoyed cause they are not used to the heat...some will be able to deal with it. I think it is annoying, but the laptop is so nice in every other way that I don't care. If it burned me, I'd be pissed.
 
Report # 1: No Sticky Trackpad Button! Feels just like the one on the iBook.

Report # 2: Regarding heat: When in full performance mode, i.e. plugged in, the sucka gets VERY hot, but when the processor is in reduced performance mode (which it will be when you're mobile) it stays quite cool.
 
Originally posted by Anticipat3
Report # 1: No Sticky Trackpad Button! Feels just like the one on the iBook.

Report # 2: Regarding heat: When in full performance mode, i.e. plugged in, the sucka gets VERY hot, but when the processor is in reduced performance mode (which it will be when you're mobile) it stays quite cool.

This is exactly how mine is as well. I guess we got the good ones.
 
Re: iJon is misinformed AND a poor loser!

Originally posted by markomarko
I pointed out the page as a warning to those who considered the hack. I did not point it out as a feature. I'm the one actually telling people not to do it.

And I never said that you said the ibook was faster. I was just pointing out the fact that the benchmarks you refer to do not accurately represent the actual speed difference between the two machines.

Hhehehehe. Look at you getting all worked up.

:D

to ijons credit, your response was presumptuous, i even sort of thought you were a jerk.
 
12" PowerBook - Parting Thoughts

Well, my 12" PowerBook is sold. I've gone back to a 15" TiBook. I thought it might be time to reflect on the 12" PowerBook and offer a few closing thoughts.

First of all, I think Apple has a hit here. I'm convinced that the littlest PowerBook will be forming a very loyal following of it's own once people see it in person and get to try it out for themselves. I bet Apple really will pick up some "switchers". I was a bit sceptical when I saw the photos from MWSF but I ordered one because I wanted a truly portable portable again and the price was very attractive. Once I got to hold the 12" PB in my hands and use it I could see that this was a quality offering from Apple. The trackpad button is the exception, it really lets down the overall design, I hope they modify it. Button aside, I didn't realize how nice the 12" PB was until I compared it to an iBook side by side. I really like the iBook but I'd have no problem paying a few hundred extra for the 12" PowerBook - the even more compact design and aluminium finish make it the sexiest portable out there. Without a doubt, if I got to choose which PowerBook to grab and walk out the door with, it'd be the 12" PowerBook. I'm sure the 17" would turn my head but the 12" is just built for portability.

At home, the tables start to turn a bit. The 12" PB's performance was on par with my previous TiBook 800 but after a while, I began to miss the screen of the 15" PB's I'd grown used to. There were also small details - like the trackpad button and the sharp edges on the vents in the aluminium case that didn't quite feel as well polished as the TiBook I'd remembered. I loved the new slot-loading drive, it worked to perfecttion and I prefer it on the side as opposed to ejecting a disk from the front. I also like being able to plug in cables on the left withou having to stand up and find the right port to plug a cable into the back of my TiBook. After I had the cables in, things began to look a bit messy and I noticed that the open ports looked less solid than the TiBook's rear ports with their more sophisticated cover that hides them when not in use. Remember now, I'm comparing an 1800-2000 dollar PowerBook with a 2300-2800 dollar PowerBook, and there is some difference in quality here. There's a difference in value too, I think the 12" PowerBook will stand out as the superior value to many people who want a high quality portable they can easily carry to work or school.

If I had both a 12" and a 15" PowerBook, nine times out of ten, I'd leave the house with the 12". Working at my desk, the 15" is all that I could want from a portable (except maybe a lighted keyoard ;) ).

The heat issue with the 12" PowerBooks is real but I doubt if it'd convice someone to give up their PowerBook if that's the model they've decided fits them.

So now we have several sizes of PowerBooks to choose from instead of the one-size-fits all approach. I think many people will find the 12" model to be the perfect fit for them, others like me will look lustfully at the petite model but be resigned to keeping our more robust, more homebound familiar 15" models.


moby1

p.s. I still have a 512 MB RAM upgrade and a Li-Ion battery for the 12" PowerBook for sale, as well as an InCase case. You can find them by looking for my original post for the 12" PB in the "For Sale" forum.
 
I have a 12" pBook and would love to have the 15" pBook as well. If the 12" didn't come to market, I would've been using a TiBook. I want both. I may buy an old 667mhz Ti once the new ones come out and the price drops.
 
Originally posted by JSRockit
I have a 12" pBook and would love to have the 15" pBook as well. If the 12" didn't come to market, I would've been using a TiBook. I want both. I may buy an old 667mhz Ti once the new ones come out and the price drops.

The price has dropped. As of today, you can get a 667 DVI (refurb) from the Apple Store site (US) for $1599. Click on 'special deals' at the bottom of the Store page. Quit waiting, start living. :D
 
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