120hz ProMotion will iPhone 8 get it ? 99.3% Yes

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We all saw the Apple Keynote at WWDC the other day, one ☝ simple thing has been ignored. Apple introduced variable refresh rates on its iPad Pro up to 120hz which makes watching movies amazing.
Also important is that Apple is making a big push toward AR Augmented Reality and VR.

What better opportunity than giving the iPhone 8 VR capability. Overnight it would be the best selling VR platform.

But it would need something from its big brother the 120hz Promotion high refresh rate display.
 
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We all saw the Apple Keynote at WWDC the other day, one ☝ simple thing has been ignored. Apple introduced variable refresh rates on its iPad Pro up to 120hz which makes watching movies amazing.
Also important is that Apple is making a big push toward AR Augmented Reality and VR.

What better opportunity than giving the iPhone 8 VR capability. Overnight it would be the best selling VR platform.

But it would need something from its big brother the 120hz Promotion high refresh rate display.
Since both new IPad Pro's are still using TFT-LCD display, I'm pretty confident that all iPhones will get 120Hz display if battery is not affected in prototype units.

Btw, movies will look the same on 120hz display. Movies are usually shot on 24fps, so it doesn't make sense to watch on 120Hz display.
 

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Wasn't it more of a push to get the Apple pencil response times down? Would be very interesting though if Apple could release a 5.8' phone with support for Apple pencil and steal the note's spot from samsung, why not turn a slip into a fall?
 

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Since both new IPad Pro's are still using TFT-LCD display, I'm pretty confident that all iPhones will get 120Hz display if battery is not affected in prototype units.

Btw, movies will look the same on 120hz display. Movies are usually shot on 24fps, so it doesn't make sense to watch on 120Hz display.
If it's natively 24Hz content, theoretically it should look better, as the device won't have to perform 3:2 pulldown like it would if the screen was at 60Hz.

I think Apple also mentioned at the keynote that the refresh rate changes depending on the content, from 24Hz to 48Hz to 120Hz. Watching 24fps content on a 24Hz or 48Hz screen should theoretically look better than watching it on a 60Hz screen.

What this means in real life is that camera pans and the like won't experience the small judders indicative of 3:2 pulldown. Whether this makes a meaningful difference or not remains to be seen.
 

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If it's natively 24Hz content, theoretically it should look better, as the device won't have to perform 3:2 pulldown like it would if the screen was at 60Hz.

I think Apple also mentioned at the keynote that the refresh rate changes depending on the content, from 24Hz to 48Hz to 120Hz. Watching 24fps content on a 24Hz or 48Hz screen should theoretically look better than watching it on a 60Hz screen.

What this means in real life is that camera pans and the like won't experience the small judders indicative of 3:2 pulldown. Whether this makes a meaningful difference or not remains to be seen.
There are no frame skips as it is currently.

But hey, want a job on Apple's marketing department?
 
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Basically this is a very advanced display it varies based on what content is being shown.

It's Apple version of AMD Freesync or NVIDIA G-Sync only Apple calls it ProMotion

ProMotion
FreeSync
GSync
 

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I thought 120Hz gets you the soap opera effect? At least I remember screwing around with those settings when I got a new TV 6 yeas ago..
 

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Wasn't it more of a push to get the Apple pencil response times down? Would be very interesting though if Apple could release a 5.8' phone with support for Apple pencil and steal the note's spot from samsung, why not turn a slip into a fall?
It was reduced 20ms Latency, which helps the Pencil to be more refined with drawling due to Promotion . If the iPhone 5.8 OLED model had Apple Pencil support, that would be huge for the Apple Pencil as a whole.

But truthfully, I don't not necessarily see the 5.8 iPhone having that ability, primarily because I think they want that for the iPad exclusively. Unless Apple were ever to incorporate a built in stylus, which It's well known Jobs feelings on those.
 

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I thought 120Hz gets you the soap opera effect? At least I remember screwing around with those settings when I got a new TV 6 yeas ago..
I really hope the iPad won't use the 120hz while displaying video. I am not a fan of the soap opera effect. Although it is acceptable for sports..
 

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What I'm curious to find out is which way Apple decided to go in situations where you have a 24 FPS movie playing full-screen at 24 Hz, and put a popup Safari window on top of that. My guess is they will switch to smooth-as-butter 120 Hz to make sure Safari looks and feels good, even if that means the movie will "suffer" for it.
 

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What I'm curious to find out is which way Apple decided to go in situations where you have a 24 FPS movie playing full-screen at 24 Hz, and put a popup Safari window on top of that. My guess is they will switch to smooth-as-butter 120 Hz to make sure Safari looks and feels good, even if that means the movie will "suffer" for it.
I'm curious as well! Another scenario; a small video is playing while scrolling down safari. I agree that will probably be their solution.
 

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I'm curious as well! Another scenario; a small video is playing while scrolling down safari. I agree that will probably be their solution.
They don't have to interpolate the video just because they are running the UI at 120hz. It will work the same as it does now. A YouTube video will run at 30fps while the rest of your phone is running at 60fps.

They can however change the hz as mentioned that will eliminate judder etc. My guess is they will only do this when watching a video in full screen so it doesn't affect the rest of the UI.
 
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The OP is attempting to tie a new iPad Pro display feature to the upcoming phone and this is simply wishful thinking.
 

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I think so because of AR/VR but it didn't get the true-tone feature so it could be the same here
 

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The OP is attempting to tie a new iPad Pro display feature to the upcoming phone and this is simply wishful thinking.
I'm trying to spot a trend. Apple is jumping into AR with the iPad Pro and iOS11 in a big way. It only makes sense to leverage the iPhone Platform into VR now. Overnight IPhone 8 would be the #1. VR platform to develop on.

That requires a high display refresh rate. We have on high confidence leaks that Apple purchased millions of 5.8" OLED displays from Samsung. Samsung OLED displays like the S8 and NOTe 5 can run their displays at 96hz when in VR mode.

It would be very likely that Apple has a new generation of these displays and can implement 120hz ProMotion and enable VR functionality.

Trying to buy and secure several. Website domain names ahead of all this iOSVR.com iPhoneVR.com etc etc. Gotta be one step ahead.
 

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The human eye cannot detect a missed frame in 24fps footage with a 60Hz screen due to the relatively minuscule frame duration in 60fps vs 24fps.
Technically it's not your eyes but your brain :)

You do, however, need to be "attuned" to it. I happily watched 24 fps content at 60 Hz for years and years, but now that I have an actual 24 Hz screen I see judder all over the place when going back to the old 60 Hz one.
 

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It's the artificial increase in frame rate which gives the SOE, which is independent of the refresh rate of the panel.
So.. wouldn't that pose a soap opera effect problem on the iPP? Especially given that iOS does not allow user access to toggle refresh rates?
 

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So.. wouldn't that pose a soap opera effect problem on the iPP? Especially given that iOS does not allow user access to toggle refresh rates?
Not necessarily - just because the screen updates X or Y times per second doesn't mean the content has to change at the same rate. TVs have been 60Hz for a long time (I don't know exactly why they chose 60Hz, I believe it was something to do with the frequency of the electricity supply and CRT panels but sure you could find a more detailed explanation), yet not everything you watch exhibits the soap opera effect as that's to do with frame rate rather than refresh rate.

Some viewers found the higher frame rate version of The Hobbit displayed the SOE, but the "normal" 24fps version didn't. You could watch both on a 120Hz panel and the SOE would still only apply to the 60fps content.

Edit: realise I may not have been clear - at 120Hz, the image will still update 120 times a second, but if you're watching 24fps content, each frame would be shown 5 times. If you're watching 60fps content, each frame would be shown twice. The Soap Opera Effect merely comes from a higher frame rate.
 
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So.. wouldn't that pose a soap opera effect problem on the iPP? Especially given that iOS does not allow user access to toggle refresh rates?
If they interpolate all videos then yes. But I'm sure they won't. The video will just show the same frame multiple times. So a 30fps video will always look like a 30fps video. They can however control the hz when they need to to play a 24,30,60,120 fps video etc.