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Snow Leopard sucks.............

True all new OS's have their bugs, since it is impossible to test every possible configuration, but Lion seems to have more than its fair share of performance bugs.

Overall, I'm not as concerned with the performance bugs in Lion since I know Apple is working on fixes for them.

My concern are some of the new "features" of Lion that either remove functionality or can't be turned off. For example, the downgrading of Spaces and Expose, the near uselessness of a 2nd monitor in Full-screen mode, the loss of "Save As..." and "Do You Want to Save?", and the lack of control over Resume, Versions or AutoSave.

I hope Apple is also working on restoring or gaining these functionalities while keeping new features that some do like, i.e. Mission Control. Some like it and some don't. I would prefer the SL's Expose/Spaces, but the sign of a good OS is the ability to be used in different ways by different users.
 
WSR said:
True all new OS's have their bugs, since it is impossible to test every possible configuration, but Lion seems to have more than its fair share of performance bugs.

Overall, I'm not as concerned with the performance bugs in Lion since I know Apple is working on fixes for them.

My concern are some of the new "features" of Lion that either remove functionality or can't be turned off. For example, the downgrading of Spaces and Expose, the near uselessness of a 2nd monitor in Full-screen mode, the loss of "Save As..." and "Do You Want to Save?", and the lack of control over Resume, Versions or AutoSave.

I hope Apple is also working on restoring or gaining these functionalities while keeping new features that some do like, i.e. Mission Control. Some like it and some don't. I would prefer the SL's Expose/Spaces, but the sign of a good OS is the ability to be used in different ways by different users.
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What you describe as a downgrade is an upgrade for others. I love spaces and expose now, they're useful for me now.
 
marsmissions said:
What you describe as a downgrade is an upgrade for others. I love spaces and expose now, they're useful for me now.
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What I described was actually Spaces/Expose as it is in SL and in Lion both in the same OS.

I understand that many like Mission Control while others don't like it. What I was proposing was giving the user the choice.

As I said " the sign of a good OS is the ability to be used in different ways by different users."
 
All new OS releases have issues, and there will always be people that love them or hate them, but in time Lion will improve to the level of SL.
 
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marc11 said:
All new OS releases have issues, and there will always be people that love them or hate them, but in time Lion will improve to the level of SL.
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I don't see Lion as an improvement; it's a dumbing down of OS X to the level of iToys.
 
colourfastt said:
I don't see Lion as an improvement; it's a dumbing down of OS X to the level of iToys.
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I don't quite understand the quick negative comparison to the iPad. Because of expanded gestures? Because of launchpad? You can easily not use those two features. I never use launchpad. I do, however think that the improved gestures are great.
 
The problem with Snow Leopard was that it was very buggy on first release due to a total re-write.

The problem with Lion is that it is very buggy on first release (for some unknown reason) and the features are obtrusive (Resume & Autosave), not very well integrated (Gestures) and often seen as downgrades to what we had before (Mission Control) or just plain useless (LaunchPad).

I found both Tiger and Leopard much more stable on release than Snow Leopard and Lion.
 
roadbloc said:
and the features are obtrusive (Resume & Autosave),
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What I hate the most with Lion is the lack of Save As. If you look at the new version of pixelmator, you cannot easily create png/tiff/jpgs using save as. I have to go to an export menu and go through that. While not a lot of work, its a bit disruptive to how I normally work.
 
Rowf said:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/766420/

Food for thought with all the 'Return to Snow Leopard' threads that are about at the moment.

Now I'm gonna run for cover :eek:
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Pointless...

SL had issues at first too, but the difference is that Apple fixed them with the first patch unlike this round where all they did was introduce iCloud. I suspect Lion will be fixed eventually, but the fact that they put their stupid rollout before the customers that were and are having problems with Lion is ridiculous.
 
maflynn said:
What I hate the most with Lion is the lack of Save As.
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The weird thing about this is that it seems to be the choice of the App developer. I have plenty of apps in Lion that still have the "Save As" feature (TextMate, WriteRoom, Word, Stata, etc). I assume they will eventually drop it though. But I would love to see some sort of ability to turn off the versions.
 
hinkamp said:
The weird thing about this is that it seems to be the choice of the App developer. I have plenty of apps in Lion that still have the "Save As" feature (TextMate, WriteRoom, Word, Stata, etc). I assume they will eventually drop it though. But I would love to see some sort of ability to turn off the versions.
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A lot of those apps haven't been updated from SL to Lion, feature-wise.
 
Eh, this happens every time Apple releases a new OS. Too many people have very short-term memories.
 
hinkamp said:
I don't quite understand the quick negative comparison to the iPad. Because of expanded gestures? Because of launchpad? You can easily not use those two features. I never use launchpad. I do, however think that the improved gestures are great.
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Adding gestures on a desktop computer .. that's like adding feet on a fish.

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wpotere said:
Pointless...

SL had issues at first too, but the difference is that Apple fixed them with the first patch unlike this round where all they did was introduce iCloud. I suspect Lion will be fixed eventually, but the fact that they put their stupid rollout before the customers that were and are having problems with Lion is ridiculous.
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You can't fix stupid.
 
Yes well you can keep on clicking the back/forward button in Safari and use CTRL + arrow left/right arrow keys to navigate the spaces, use F3 to toggle exposé etc.
The rest of us dumb ones will be using the dumb but oh so convenient gestures on our mice and trackpads :rolleyes:
 
Mackilroy said:
Eh, this happens every time Apple releases a new OS. Too many people have very short-term memories.
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Exactly the point of the post, which is a response to the negativity of the Lion is a pile of **** posts.

Snow Leopard is a fast, stable and powerful system, I came from Vista to Snow Leopard and it was a revelation: it does all that on 2gb of ram, yaay :D
It has, however, had plenty of time to be patched and smoothed out to be the system that it is now.

MS Windows, Linux, Apple, all release new systems in a blaze of hype and excitement but it's only a year or so later, when the patches have been applied and the bugs ironed out, that a true assessment of the new system can be made.

I've dropped back to Snow Leopard at the moment, I need the stability and lighter resource usage to get some work done, but I'm not knocking Lion, just waiting awhile.
 
Change

Lion has lots of subtle changes that make the system easier to use if you actually use them instead of trying to fight them. That being said, people generally do not like change. 10.8 will come out and everyone will hate it and say how amazing Lion was. It seems like this happens every OS release since OS X came out.
 
I use lion all day as a mac tech never have any issues, I am still partial to snow leopard, and advise people to stick with it especially if they run their business on macs (everyone seems to rock quicken). I will say at first I had a firm dislike for lion but since I have been using it for a good solid few months now it has grown on me, some of the issues related to lion are very easily solved with minimal troubleshooting, I should know I do it all day.
 
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