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zap2 said:
i think the 12'' PB has its place and should stay, i like the small screen becuz when im using my laptop i'll be on the move and 12'' is easy to move with.
the 12" power will be gone by the summer :( get it while you can

when the 13.3" hits people will forget all about the 12" :rolleyes:
 
Chundles said:
I'd have to say it's a bit silly to be putting a screen with only 720 horizontal res. That's less then the current 12". It would be prefect at 1280x768 or even 1280x800. That way it can still show 720p video but for day to day use you get a lot more info on the screen and it fits nicely in with the new higher res PowerBooks - this would also become the new little PB would it not?

I challenge you to name one program that requires more than a 600px high screen (let alone 720px), aperture and final cut pro don't count. Now name a program that would work better with more than 1024px wide. Didn't take you long did it? I have a 12" iBook and I assure you, the screen is taller than it needs to be and not wide enough.
 
ezekielrage_99 said:
Just think that Sony has a Laptop very similar in size to this specific spec ( http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT..._VAIONotebookComputers_SSeries&Dept=computers ) and didn't Apple aquire some of the Sony Vaio Engineers to help out on the Intel switch for the iBook and PowerBook?
Yeesh! Having just clicked on the link I remember why I use an Apple!

"IBM's were made by beer drinkers, Apple's were made by pot smokers"

Everything's just so cluttered and complicated on that site...!
 
I'm the most interested in simply how the form of the iBook will change. Regardless of internals and the OS, I truly think it will be harder design a cuter little laptop. I just hope the don't get rid of the light-up apple behind the screen!! :(
 
Chundles said:
I'd have to say it's a bit silly to be putting a screen with only 720 horizontal res. That's less then the current 12". It would be prefect at 1280x768 or even 1280x800. That way it can still show 720p video but for day to day use you get a lot more info on the screen and it fits nicely in with the new higher res PowerBooks - this would also become the new little PB would it not?

I use 1440x900 resolution on my iMac, up from 1280x960 on eMac. Though it has 60 less pixel Y, it has 160 pix more on X axis. And I prefer 160pix more wider and 60 pix less higher display over those 1280x960 on eMac. Same with iBook: only 48 less Y with 128 more on EACH side!
 
abhi_beckert said:
I challenge you to name one program that requires more than a 600px high screen (let alone 720px), aperture and final cut pro don't count. Now name a program that would work better with more than 1024px wide. Didn't take you long did it? I have a 12" iBook and I assure you, the screen is taller than it needs to be and not wide enough.

Woah!

Somebody's a bit stirred up!!

I'd like more depth in Safari, Word, Preview, all my other web browsers, Text Edit, basically anything that displays text or pages.

I'd like more overall resolution for iPhoto, iTunes, Excel, Mail and Dashboard.

So tell me why more pixels = bad?

Actually, I'd like more pixels overall for Safari so I can display web pages at 1024 and still have room for Messenger and iChat.
 
eXan said:
I use 1440x900 resolution on my iMac, up from 1280x960 on eMac. Though it has 60 less pixel Y, it has 160 pix more on X axis. And I prefer 160pix more wider and 60 pix less higher display over those 1280x960 on eMac. Same with iBook: only 48 less Y with 128 more on EACH side!

Indeed. I have a rev a 12"pb and 48 pixels would not be much to lose on the bottom. But a gain of 128 on the right would be so helpful! The toolbar in word and excel, the inspector in pages and keynote, iTunes, iPhoto, Garageband, photoshop, dreamweaver, fireworks..., i could go on and on.
 
mrzippy said:
Well I have been interested in getting a notebook for a while now, but with PC notebooks selling for £300 in the UK I am not prepared to pay £700 for Apples current cheapest option, especially with only a 12" screen.

Now if you introduce a 13" widescreen iBook in the £400-£500 range then I might just part with the cash!

Tell me where I can get one of these £300 notebooks!
 
DCBass said:
Indeed. I have a rev a 12"pb and 48 pixels would not be much to lose on the bottom. But a gain of 128 on the right would be so helpful! The toolbar in word and excel, the inspector in pages and keynote, iTunes, iPhoto, Garageband, photoshop, dreamweaver, fireworks..., i could go on and on.

Why should we have to lose pixels? Why can't it gain the 128 on the width but keep the 48 on the height? Or even gain 22?

I don't understand everybody thinking that losing pixels would be acceptable. CMon, we need to go forwards not backwards.
 
Isn't it being speculated that the 13.3 inch screen will replace the 14 inch one, implying that the 12 inch iBook will stick around so we get a choice of either resolution. :)

I can see the positives and negatives of both ratios. For me, I'd prefer the widescreen option, especially if it's the only one with a Superdrive. :p
 
I bet it would look pretty slick. Could anybody photoshop one up out of a 12 incher?
 

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mrzippy said:
Well I have been interested in getting a notebook for a while now, but with PC notebooks selling for £300 in the UK I am not prepared to pay £700 for Apples current cheapest option, especially with only a 12" screen.

Now if you introduce a 13" widescreen iBook in the £400-£500 range then I might just part with the cash!

A friends mum has a cheap laptop, she bought it a few months ago. It as no useful applications, 256mb of ram, and gives a measily hour to hour and fifteen minutes worth of battery life. I told her to get an ibook, but she wouldn't listen, told me she didnt care about battery life nad apps etc. Now she doesn't bother using the laptop. Mind you thats got alot to do with the fact she wouldn't listen about dial up either. She now thinks that using the internet means that by the time you find what your looking for your battery dies before you can view or purchase! She's moving home over the next few weeks, and I think she's going to get broadband then. Which then means she will be wondering why she cant use wifi on her cheap laptop!

Buy cheap buy twice. A good alternative is to buy second hand if you cant afford an ibook or a powerbook. Thats what I did when i bought my first laptop, it lasted me a couple of years and was an excellent buy.

Jason
 
abhi_beckert said:
I challenge you to name one program that requires more than a 600px high screen (let alone 720px), aperture and final cut pro don't count. Now name a program that would work better with more than 1024px wide. Didn't take you long did it? I have a 12" iBook and I assure you, the screen is taller than it needs to be and not wide enough.

Apart from the fact that I have my dock going up the side, and even thats gets full all the way up on my 20" iMac. Apart from that I would agree.
 
I hope they improve the form factor, I think the current iBook looks pretty cheap compared to the AluBooks. Either way, my laptop is long overdue for replacement, I can't wait.
 
zap2 said:
i think the 12'' PB has its place and should stay, i like the small screen becuz when im using my laptop i'll be on the move and 12'' is easy to move with.

But what would Apple do to make the 12'' PowerBook better than the 13'' iBook? Maybe slightly faster processor, backlit keyboard, I guess... But I don't think that would make people choose it over the 13'' iBook. Maybe if Apple replaced the 12'' PowerBook with a 13'' PowerBook, but none of the rumor sites have reported that.
 
Chaszmyr said:
But what would Apple do to make the 12'' PowerBook better than the 13'' iBook? Maybe slightly faster processor, backlit keyboard, I guess... But I don't think that would make people choose it over the 13'' iBook. Maybe if Apple replaced the 12'' PowerBook with a 13'' PowerBook, but none of the rumor sites have reported that.


13" widescreen iBook - £699
15" Powerbook £1099
17" Powerbook £1399
20" Powerbook £1699

:eek:
 
Chundles said:
I'd have to say it's a bit silly to be putting a screen with only 720 horizontal res. That's less then the current 12". It would be prefect at 1280x768 or even 1280x800. That way it can still show 720p video but for day to day use you get a lot more info on the screen and it fits nicely in with the new higher res PowerBooks - this would also become the new little PB would it not?
Maybe not. One advantage of putting a 1280x720 screen in the 13.3" widescreen iBook is that you still have the option of putting a 13.3" display with a higher pixel density in a Powerbook and use that as a means of differentiating the 13.3" Powerbook from the 13.3" iBook.

Of course, this is an advantage for Apple, not us consumers. Oh, wait -- you thought everything Apple does is for our benefit? :)

Seriously, judging for my experience playing around with one of the Sony S-series laptops recently, this will be a great form factor.
 
Chundles said:
I'd have to say it's a bit silly to be putting a screen with only 720 horizontal res. That's less then the current 12". It would be prefect at 1280x768 or even 1280x800. That way it can still show 720p video but for day to day use you get a lot more info on the screen and it fits nicely in with the new higher res PowerBooks - this would also become the new little PB would it not?
I imagine they wanted a 16:9 aspect ratio to conform with HDTV. At 1280x720 you are getting 17% more pixels than 1024x768. To maintain the 768 pixel height and get the 16:9 aspect ratio they'd have to go 1365x768... probably higher cost than they wanted.
 
bousozoku said:
Widescreen would be bigger and smaller, at the same time.

13.3 inches widescreen is pretty amazing because it gives a small computer plus a nice resolution and most people can actually use it. Contrast that to the 10.1 ultra portables where you can't read the display. It wasn't a problem way back when the display was 832x624, right? Some how 1280x1024 seems a whole lot more difficult to read on a small display. 13.3 inch widescreen displays should be almost perfect.

On windows you can just change the DPI settings from 96DPI to 120DPI which makes all the text bigger and easier to read so you get the benefit of a high res screen with the easy to read text size of a lower res screen. Don't think you can do this with apple though. My work Dell 15" has a resolution of 1680*1050 which is the same as the 20" Dell 2005FPW (or apple cinema display...) which makes the text really small. One small change to the DPI settings and everything is easy to read and smoother thanks to the big font size, font smoothing and high res.

mrzippy said:
Well I have been interested in getting a notebook for a while now, but with PC notebooks selling for £300 in the UK I am not prepared to pay £700 for Apples current cheapest option, especially with only a 12" screen.

Now if you introduce a 13" widescreen iBook in the £400-£500 range then I might just part with the cash!

I hate to point it out to you but most 12" laptops come with a premium over larger versions. I think only apple make a cheaper 12" than 14". Sure you can get a Dell for dirt cheap, but it's built like crap and will be bigger and heavier than the 12" iBook. Personally i prefer portability in my laptops, which is also why people pay a premium for small ones.

Refering to the first quote the new Sony 11.1" laptop is gorgeous. We had one in work to try out, the screen is fabulous but the keyboard a bit smaller than my liking. The battery life is as good or better than my iBook (around 5 hours normal use) and it is as light as a feather including the DVD writer. However it is more expensive to buy than a 15" powerbook and it is only 1.2GHz with Intel GMA900 graphics.
 
wilburpan said:
Maybe not. One advantage of putting a 1280x720 screen in the 13.3" widescreen iBook is that you still have the option of putting a 13.3" display with a higher pixel density in a Powerbook and use that as a means of differentiating the 13.3" Powerbook from the 13.3" iBook.

Of course, this is an advantage for Apple, not us consumers. Oh, wait -- you thought everything Apple does is for our benefit? :)

Seriously, judging for my experience playing around with one of the Sony S-series laptops recently, this will be a great form factor.

I would think the differentiating features would be that the new 13" Powerbook would boast a faster processor, PC Card slot, DVI out with screen spanning, better video card etc.

I don't see the point of making a 16:9 display when all the others are 16:10.
 
hope so, but improbable.i don't like the 14 inch ibook mainly because of the identical resolution to the 12 inch. want that computer to be changed. and besides, watching movies on the go will be a lot funner.

and yea, other compter companies charge more for smaller computers because it's more difficult to produce. apple, on the other hand is quite an exception
 
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