13-Inch MacBook Pro Benchmarks: $1,799 Model Up to 16.5% Faster Than $1,299 Model
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PickUrPoison
macrumors G3
Same reason as the last 10+ years. Most pros who travel with a 13” are far more interested in battery life than GPU performance, so Apple gives them what they want.
The 13” have CPU/GPU budgets of either 15 or 28 Watts, compared to about 80 Watts for the 16”. Buy the 16” if you need the increased performance, but if course it’s bigger and heavier than the 13” models.
D- trolling. You can do better.
mattopotamus
macrumors G5
I was seriously thinking the same thing. Before this article I was thinking the $1799 was the only 13" Pro to consider and the others were gimped. Now I am thinking you are out of your mind if you pay a premium for anything other than the base.
A single core score matters when? That would be -NEVER
and you know there are i5s and then I5s, right? Knowing the model number is important to compare. So for us “suckers”. Maybe you could give us some specs for your every sub 1000 notebook. Would be helpful thanks in advance
AndiG
macrumors 65816
Just go with a nice AMD Ryzen APU - and there you have it: Decent GPU and low power consumption. Apple can‘t jump? Yes this is exactly where the problem is ...
Haha, You should compare specs though. 2 more TB3, way better graphics (if that’s your thing). 8 gb more ram, way faster ram, double the SSD, So yah- you nailed it. No value there
seriously, did you not see this, or it’s just your thing to complain about value?
Spock
Contributor
The $1799 model should be $1499 and the $1299 model shouldn’t exist.
PickUrPoison
macrumors G3
The article should mention that, and the headline should say “up to 33.3% faster”. It’s much more meaningful than the multicore being 16.5% faster.
A valid comment based on, well you know, nothing. Check the specs, a lot more there than just the cpu, but I bet you knew that
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Where do you get the $100 for the Touch Bar? I seriously doubt there would be a price difference as there is not a lot of extra cost, but hey, that might ruin some perfectly good snark
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Not to even mention double the ram, much faster ram and double the SSD.
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chucker23n1
macrumors G3
So, the 13-inch Retina MacBook Pro didn't come until October 2012. If you fell asleep in May 2012, even the 15-inch rMBP wasn't yet announced.
The 13-inch MBP you'd be familiar with if you fell asleep eight years ago would weigh 4.5 pounds and be 2.4cm thick. It would have an optical drive and FireWire 800. USB 3.0 wasn't even coming until a month from now.
You'd wake up to an MBP that weighs just 3.1 pounds and be 1.6cm thick. You'd be confused and think it's an Air.
Oh, and your computer would go from two to four cores. Single-core speed would go up about 143%, i.e. almost two and a half times as fast. Multi-core speed would go up 302%: literally more than four times as much.
You also likely wouldn't have had an SSD yet. But even if you did, the ones from that era were about 500 MB/s (the SATA bus of the time maxed out at 750 MB/s, and that's a gross value). More likely, you would have an HDD at about 120 MB/s. Your new MBP's SSD? 2-3GB/s. Not to mention the way, way lower access times.
Faster Wi-Fi. Faster Bluetooth. Way faster USB. Faster RAM. So many faster things.
It always puzzles me when people attack modern Macs on things that flat-out aren't true; it's actually pretty easy to complain about things that are true. Its dearth of ports, or the removal the pulsating sleep light, or of the power cable charging indicator.
So... many... misconceptions i don't even know where to begin.
1) i5 2020 MBA is using 10W/12W Y processor vs 15W U processor 8257U in the base MBP 13". Coupled that with the fact that MBA cooling system is not nearly sufficient to sustain 4 cores CPU means the 13" MBP even with 8th gen will still run circles around the 10th gen chip in MBA.
If you're talking about IPC at the same clock, yes sure the 10th gen has more IPC but IPC doesn't mean **** all if the MBA hits 100C 5 seconds into their boost state and started to throttle down. IPC comparison is only valid at a scientific settings when both CPU are being constantly put to the same clockspeed.
2) Base MBP is using an equivalent of G4 graphics in 10th gen parlance (48 EU) so yes this is the one area where theoretically the MBA with G7 graphics can outperform the "~G4" graphics in the 8th gen. However, again, we're running into conversation about thermal limitation, TDP of the entire SOC, etc. While on paper the i5 10th gen in MBA can outperform the base 13" Pro, it might not due to different thermal solution and chassis design.
3) the 10th gen i5 CPU in "sub 1000" laptops are usually the 15W version (e.g. 1035G4) just like in the 2x TB 13" Macbook Pro and when you look at Passmark comparing the 1035G4 with 8257U from 2019, the difference is pretty small.
So yeah while I would love to have 10th gen 15W part on the base 13", the performance delta is not that big for the CPU side. GPU will be a decent upgrade vs 2019 and this is the only thing i lamented by the lack of 10th gen part in the base 13" MBP.
NickName99
macrumors 6502a
Here’s an interesting review, comparing the 2020 13” MacBook Pro with the previous and 2015 models.
sixcolors.com
The GeekBench OpenCL compute scores aren’t as improved as I expected, but I expect 3D graphics performance to be more improved.
13-inch MacBook Pro (2020) review: Two laptops, one keyboard
The most important feature of the new 13-inch MacBook Pro is the keyboard. With the addition of the new Magic Keyboard design originally introduced in late 2019 with the 16″ MacBook Pro to th…
sixcolors.com
The GeekBench OpenCL compute scores aren’t as improved as I expected, but I expect 3D graphics performance to be more improved.
Herrpod
macrumors 65816
It also scores worse than the i3 entry level MBA in single core. But hey, it's got a Touchbar, right? People love that, don't they?
chucker23n1
macrumors G3
Sure, because people never browse web pages with JavaScript on them. Nope. Not something folks do.
Nor do they ever use an app that spends 99% of its time on a single GUI thread. That rarely happens.
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PBG4 Dude
macrumors 601
That was a desktop tower though. If anything, I’d expect a Mac mini form factor if Apple releases a test device.
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macrumors 6502a
The 2018/2019 still have Touch Bars.
badatusernames
macrumors 6502
Here’s an interesting review, comparing the 2020 13” MacBook Pro with the previous and 2015 models.
13-inch MacBook Pro (2020) review: Two laptops, one keyboard
The most important feature of the new 13-inch MacBook Pro is the keyboard. With the addition of the new Magic Keyboard design originally introduced in late 2019 with the 16″ MacBook Pro to th…
The GeekBench OpenCL compute scores aren’t as improved as I expected, but I expect 3D graphics performance to be more improved.
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I have the highest end 2019 4xTB and I usually get ~4090 in geek bench. But I constantly run mine with turbo boost off because of the fan noise I get when compiling and working in Xcode.
bobob
macrumors 68040
If it is possible for a person that bills $50/hr for using their computer for work to do 16.5% more in the same time, then the $500 difference will be paid off in 60 hours.
After that they will be getting a pay raise of 16.5%.
DeepIn2U
macrumors G5
Then why are you in this thread only to complain? To make a statement? Would it not be more effective to write to Apple and their executive team?
I just checked and Lenovo, for the first time ever, offers the AMD Ryzen 5 cpu (or any AMD cpu) on their top line Thinkpad series ... T865 (but on 2 models only, while Intel has the other 2).
Need to look at full Pros/Cons for Intel vs AMD for ALL workloads ... not just run benchmarks.
Please test the battery life as well since that was my disappointment in earlier modells.
Zdigital2015
macrumors 601
Basically, all the complaining boils down to one thing on this forum - Price. They cannot accept that Apple is not going to price things like Acer, Dell, HP and Lenovo and that’s all they got.