13-Inch MacBook Pro Benchmarks: $1,799 Model Up to 16.5% Faster Than $1,299 Model

[Spectrum]

16.5 percent faster... my humble opinion is that it’s not worth the $ 500 difference.

errr...you know It comes with twice the storage and twice the RAM as well, right? The real difference in similar spec is only $200.
The GPU is also faster. And, if one cares about these things, it has 4 TB ports.
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The £1799 model isn’t really £500 more expensive. Spec for spec it’s £200 more expensive (RAM upgrade is cheaper in the base model) which is fair when you consider that we’re getting a faster processor on a more efficient process a much better iGPU and much higher frequency RAM. Plus the two extra ports double the fans and if it’s anything like last year better speakers compared the the base model. The majority of people won’t be upgrading from the 2019 or even 2018 model for many they’ll be upgrading for dual core models many pre 2016. So although performance isn’t 5 times as fast as last year it really doesn’t need to be as MacBooks aren’t meant to be upgraded yearly.

Absolutely! The complainers on here really can't see how much of an improvement in spec the new $1799 model is.

 

[BenConlin44]

errr...you know It comes with twice the storage and twice the RAM as well, right? The real difference in similar spec is only $200.
The GPU is also faster. And, if one cares about these things, it has 4 TB ports.
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Absolutely! The complainers on here really can't see how much of an improvement in spec the new $1799 model is.

Exactly if I’m honest the only other thing that could have realistically been done would have been reducing the bezels with a bigger screen but apart from that the higher end models were near perfect. Last week people were dreaming of a Mac like this with much more value yet this week they get it with loads of complaints. I think the base model will still get new processors in the summer. If the complaints are like they are this year god only knows what they were like last year when the £1799 model got updated in the May leaving the 2TB still on two year old dual core processors for another 2 months.

 

[Spectrum]

Exactly if I’m honest the only other thing that could have realistically been done would have been reducing the bezels with a bigger screen but apart from that the higher end models were near perfect. Last week people were dreaming of a Mac like this with much more value yet this week they get it with loads of complaints. I think the base model will still get new processors in the summer. If the complaints are like they are this year god only knows what they were like last year when the £1799 model got updated in the May leaving the 2TB still on two year old dual core processors for another 2 months.

The really crazy thing is that if you upgrade the base model to an i7 16/512 it is actually MORE expensive than the base 10th gen $1799 model. The only tangible benefit is that the base i7 has a higher turbo (4.5 vs 3.8). But everything else (and probably even the CPU) is superior about the new 10th gen models.

The only thing it is missing is a no touchbar version really... which I'd love to see, but am thinking it will probably never happen sadly.

I'm also looking forward to seeing the benchmarks for the i7 upgrade. At only $200 extra, this is the cheapest CPU upgrade Apple have offered in quite a while.

 

[BoneHead001]

I originally had disdain for the touch bar, but once I started using it in Outlook and a few other apps, started to like it as it is handy for switching between mail and calendar. I'm sure It's nice for some other apps too. I might do the upgrade on my personal MBP 13"" just to get the new keyboard...call it insurance

I absolutely love the TouchBar! I've never had a MBP before and it was a pleasant suprise.

 

[Spectrum]

I absolutely love the TouchBar! I've never had a MBP before and it was a pleasant suprise.

What do you like about it?

 

[smetvid]

It's almost as if you think that GPU is needed only for gaming. It is not the case. Illustrators, graphic designers, photographers, scientists etc. definitely could benefit from a good GPU. The rest professions on your list have little to do with computers and they can get by with very simple and cheap devices.

You failed to quote the rest of my post where I mentioned graphic designers. While a GPU can sometimes help for some of those applications it is not a must and plenty of pros use the 13" without a dedicated GPU. Plenty of very talented illustrators use an iPad Pro as well.

A GPU can be important for "some" pros but not all pros was the entire point I was trying to make. You claim no pros can use it and that is just not true at all. "Pros" is a meaningless definition that does nothing to describe the actual needs of a user.

Clearly a lack of GPU doesn't for you but don't assume you speak for every pro in the world.

 

[smetvid]

Let's start that it is a joke that a so called "Pro" MBP ships with only 2 ports. Actually one if you consider that one is used for A/C, hence is why all MBP entry level specs in most of MBPS are ridiculous. If it was an Air maybe ok. Same goes for the storage. SHipping a Pro computer with 256 is another joke. IT should have been 512. Maybe you are NOT aware that both RAM and SSD prices actually go down in price with time and not UP!
It is ridiculous how out of touch, Apple is with the pricing of its computer line up, except the most recent iPhone.

I don't understand why you think "pro" means it needs more than two TB ports? You know how many pros never plug in a single device to their MBP ever? A ton. Graphic designers, web designers, web developers, app developers, illustrators and so forth just to name a few. They may occasionally use an external drive to backup to but in no way shape or form does having two ports prevent that. I work in that environment and we tend to have to save all our files on a server anyway since few IT departments would trust a random hard drive to backup company data.

 

[amartinez1660]

I originally had disdain for the touch bar, but once I started using it in Outlook and a few other apps, started to like it as it is handy for switching between mail and calendar. I'm sure It's nice for some other apps too. I might do the upgrade on my personal MBP 13"" just to get the new keyboard...call it insurance

I’ll try again over here, have you had the chance to take a look at this TouchBar extension project?

GitHub - pock/pock: Widgets manager for MacBook Touch Bar

Widgets manager for MacBook Touch Bar. Contribute to pock/pock development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

Yes, we are still missing the Function keys, but now with AT LEAST the Esc key bak. This look like a pleasantly way to work and surf.

 

[Shanpdx]

few things

1) Mac prices outside of US is expensive considering import tax and sales tax in that region (8th Gen CPU on $1299 laptop not so good move)
2) Regions outside US do not get discounts like Best buy and other retail outlet discounts and other regions also do not get much of the refurbished apple inventory, you might see $1799 discounted in $1499 in best buy, amazon and other retail stores in few months, other parts of the world does not get that discounts...
3) After four years with key board issues, not so good from apple to keep the 2019 internals and change just the keyboard on 2020 model
4) $1499 already a very high price point, apple do not sell laptop with good specs for that price point anymore
5) Economic situation with COVID19 (my thought on apple pricing of iPhone SE/2020 iPad Pros and MacBook Air was good but with 13" MBP pricing and specs it is backwards now, one would thing apple would put their best product with price adjustments)
5) you will see buyers remorse when you sell 8th Gen CPU in 2020 (I bought MBA 2017 with 2015 specs for $1399, I am not happy about that still to date)

and finally this low end MBP may be build for replacement units for the people who brings in with old broken keyboard 13" MBP?

With appliance model (not upgrade able RAM, SSD) you really need to good product at $999, $1499 and $1999 price points. I think MacBook Air is priced well now in 2020 not before.

13" MBP not so much at $1799 . 16" MBP little expensive to even consider for many people.

 

[TechieGeek]

I’ll try again over here, have you had the chance to take a look at this TouchBar extension project?

GitHub - pock/pock: Widgets manager for MacBook Touch Bar

Widgets manager for MacBook Touch Bar. Contribute to pock/pock development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

Yes, we are still missing the Function keys, but now with AT LEAST the Esc key bak. This look like a pleasantly way to work and surf.

I used the touch bar for three years, then I went back to physical keys with the new MacBook Air. The physical keys are so much nicer.

The touch bar looked super cool when it was announced, and it looks beautiful in the marketing materials and all. But once you start to use it, you start seeing how it lags (on multiple machines), how the most commonly used parts start to wear out (the volume area for me), you start learning tricks on how to make it responsive, etc.

I'm really glad to be back to the physical keys. I think the idea was cool, but the implementation left some to be desired.

 

[chucker23n1]

Isn’t that the point of the pros? Better performance, but that has to come from somewhere. So you get extra heat and faster battery usage as a trade off.

Better performance does have to come from somewhere, but it's Apple's job to make sure heat isn't excessive, and I'm not sure they've always struck the right balance on that in the past few years.

 

[Abazigal]

Better performance does have to come from somewhere, but it's Apple's job to make sure heat isn't excessive, and I'm not sure they've always struck the right balance on that in the past few years.

I think this just further strengthens the argument for Apple to ditch intel and use their own arm processors. It’s clear that Intel’s pace of innovation has slowed and this is as far as they can go in their partnership with Apple.

 

[Shanpdx]

Better performance does have to come from somewhere, but it's Apple's job to make sure heat isn't excessive, and I'm not sure they've always struck the right balance on that in the past few years.

Base model has one Fan and high end model has two fans
MBA is missing heat pipe
Apple is cash trapped to do any of these correctly.

 

[Peperino]

I don't understand why you think "pro" means it needs more than two TB ports? You know how many pros never plug in a single device to their MBP ever? A ton. Graphic designers, web designers, web developers, app developers, illustrators and so forth just to name a few. They may occasionally use an external drive to backup to but in no way shape or form does having two ports prevent that. I work in that environment and we tend to have to save all our files on a server anyway since few IT departments would trust a random hard drive to backup company data.

That is ridiculous. You do not have 2 ports, since one is used for A/C. That lives you with one port only.
That is a joke for a machine called"Pro". If you want to connect a 2nd monitor, which many people do, leaves no port where to connect anything.

 

[chucker23n1]

I don't understand why you think "pro" means it needs more than two TB ports? You know how many pros never plug in a single device to their MBP ever? A ton. Graphic designers, web designers, web developers, app developers, illustrators and so forth just to name a few. They may occasionally use an external drive to backup to but in no way shape or form does having two ports prevent that.

So, which is it? Never ever, or occasionally?

Because never ever is a long time. "Graphic designers, web designers, web developers, app developers, illustrators and so forth" can do a lot of work with no devices attached, true, but many of them will want to attach an external monitor or two. Or a keyboard and mouse/trackpad. Almost all of them will occasionally want to present in a meeting room, so they'll connect a project or TV (and no, the odds that that display supports AirPlay are not high). And so on.

 

[Abazigal]

That is ridiculous. You do not have 2 ports, since one is used for A/C. That lives you with one port only.
That is a joke for a machine called"Pro". If you want to connect a 2nd monitor, which many people do, leaves no port where to connect anything.

There is such a thing called a usb c hub. I use it to connect my windows laptop at work to a monitor, usb hub and the charger.

 

[BoneHead001]

I think the TouchBar is quite a piece of engineering not explored to its fullest yet, plus the fact that it replaced the top keys... that was nasty. But have you seen this?

GitHub - pock/pock: Widgets manager for MacBook Touch Bar

Widgets manager for MacBook Touch Bar. Contribute to pock/pock development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

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Really? For the next 5-8 years to come, I would feel more at peace with 32GB. I mean, photoshop, after effects or similar can and will use all that ram.

I absolutely LOVE the TouchBar. Coming from iPad iOS and being a new laptop user, the TouchBar is fantastic!

 

[Peperino]

There is such a thing called a usb c hub. I use it to connect my windows laptop at work to a monitor, usb hub and the charger.

The lame excuses for a badly designed product. Like in 2016 they use to make excuses for the MBP15 that hey you can buy several dongles...
For the price and for a so called "Pro" 2 ports is unacceptable. If it is an Macbook air I understand. But not a Pro.

It is like selling you a car with 2 tires... hey but you can buy the other 2...
That is what Apple is doing with all entry level computers.

 

[Abazigal]

The lame excuses for a badly designed product. Like in 2016 they use to make excuses for the MBP15 that hey you can buy several dongles...
For the price and for a so called "Pro" 2 ports is unacceptable. If it is an Macbook air I understand. But not a Pro.

Find me another windows laptop that comes with multiple usb-c ports, much less 4 of them.

The new MacBook Pro’s I/O is a lesson in long-term gain for short-term pain. Sure, carrying adapters is a current annoyance that even the best of us have to endure, but I see no other alternative if you want to force the hands of manufacturers and consumers everywhere. And the market has certainly responded by releasing a variety of USB-C adaptors.

Personally, I can see, and applaud, Apple's decision to double down on USB-C. USB-C is undeniably the most versatile port ever shipped on a laptop, and it can be viewed as the culmination of what Apple set out to do with the thunderbolt port in the 2011 MBA and MBP. You get the potential to run a display, connect multiple USB 3 peripherals, and still get power all with one single cable. This is the future of computing - impressive power in a thin and light package that can tether to an ultra-powerful rig (5k displays, E-GPUs) when needed.

 

[ingambe]

Find me another windows laptop that comes with multiple usb-c ports, much less 4 of them.

The new MacBook Pro’s I/O is a lesson in long-term gain for short-term pain. Sure, carrying adapters is a current annoyance that even the best of us have to endure, but I see no other alternative if you want to force the hands of manufacturers and consumers everywhere. And the market has certainly responded by releasing a variety of USB-C adaptors.

Personally, I can see, and applaud, Apple's decision to double down on USB-C. USB-C is undeniably the most versatile port ever shipped on a laptop, and it can be viewed as the culmination of what Apple set out to do with the thunderbolt port in the 2011 MBA and MBP. You get the potential to run a display, connect multiple USB 3 peripherals, and still get power all with one single cable. This is the future of computing - impressive power in a thin and light package that can tether to an ultra-powerful rig (5k displays, E-GPUs) when needed.

Personally I don’t find that it is a pain.
I barely never plug usb device to my computer, I have a usb c dock so when I am at work my computer became basically a desktop and it’s only when I have presentation to do that I bring a dongle.
Plus, now days presentation are often done through webex or Zoom even when not remote and thus only the organizer needs to have his computer plugged, I just need to share my screen.

 

[opeter]

errr...you know It comes with twice the storage and twice the RAM as well, right? The real difference in similar spec is only $200.
The GPU is also faster. And, if one cares about these things, it has 4 TB ports.

Yeah, I know that, after I wrote that post, many have replied. Wish you nice day.

 

[nervosA]

16% faster. 100% useless because of Catalina.

 

[Spectrum]

16% faster. 100% useless because of Catalina.

I've not upgraded yet..what are the main issues to be concerned about with Catalina?

 

[w0by]

For like $1300 you can get the 13.3" OLED HP Spectre which includes a pen, i7 10th Gen processor, 16gb of fast RAM, 512 NMVE m.2 drive and a Geekbench score over 5600 for single core and over 18,000 for multicore! But then you have to run Windows LOL. I do have an HP Spectre and a new Macbook Pro and I have to say the HP Spectre is one strong machine and it's very pretty

 

[H00513R]

I've not upgraded yet..what are the main issues to be concerned about with Catalina?

I haven’t had any so far. I like the upgrade.