13" Mbp Only 1.5gb Sata ? - SOLVED!!!!!!!!!

[stylinexpat]

I'm currently in the Bullring Apple Store, UK and while I was waiting for a Genius appointment I checked all the SATA speeds in System Profiler for the MacBooks on display.

13" MBP = 1.5
15" MBP = 1.5
17" MBP = 3.0
13" MB (White) = 3.0
13" MBA = 3.0

They are all the latest models.

Thanks for the update I am surprised to see that the new 13" MB White comes with a 3.0 while the better 15" MBP model comes with a slower Sata The odd thing though is that they offered the MBA with a 3.0 but the MBA only is available with a 1.8" SSD rather than a 2.5" SSD

 

[twisted panties]

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[bugout]

But this is MR, and sense and perspective are optional.

TP

I just bought a bmw, and the dealer decided to disable 3 of the 6 cylinders because I can't legally go over 65, and why would I want to anyway?

 

[rushmere]

Have not laughed so much for years. Class Actions, Apple has lost it, taking this computer back right now, my hard drive is crippled ... all total hilarity.

Have you ever seen a computer saturating a 1.5Gbs bus ? Yours ? While you are reading this thread perhaps ? During that really super important video-encoding session you were about to run while your Oracle database serves 10,000 online customers on your laptop... err, right.

Forget it. Your hard disk/SSD spends 99% of its time asleep, and the 1% of the time it is doing anything, it hardly ever gets the opportunity to find 1.5Gb of data each second to send somewhere, assuming you even have an HS or SSD that can do that - and assuming any of that time even matters in the real world on your supercomputer throbbing server, err, I mean laptop.

But this is MR, and sense and perspective are optional.

TP

Spot on

I was too busy enjoying using my Mac to notice there was such a catastrophe looming. If I'd realised that I could possibly lose many milliseconds of my precious time due to this issue, I'd be on the next plane to Cupertino to personally demand immediate action.

Now, where did I put that stopwatch.... I'm a "Pro" so I must check how long it takes to save this message.....

 

[CoffeeWarrior]

I just bought a bmw, and the dealer decided to disable 3 of the 6 cylinders because I can't legally go over 65, and why would I want to anyway?

I go close to a 100 MPh in my 4 cylinder

 

[Shao]

Run Down of story

Well, these are the screen shots for benchmarks both on OSX system and on windows 7 of the 13" Macbook (without SD) and the New 13" Macbook with SD

"thanks for the xbenchmark screen shot here harshw"


Anyway...the long story short is the 13" macbook without SD have SATA 3 Gbit/s.........or Equiv to maxium 300 MB/s.....

However when the new version of the 13" macbook pro with SD come out...the SATA 3 Gbit/s have downgraded to SATA 1.5 Gbit/s, which can have speed up to 150 MB/s....

The speed doesn't effect people with normal hard drive, as it will never hits the 150 MB/s...

However this matter for people with Solid state harddrive...SSD........as SSD can have transfer speed of 220MB/s...and SATA 1.5 Gbit/s will stop SSD from reaching it full speed.

Us as user can still benefit from the speed of SSD, as it will boot fast, open up application fast....the only time that it will effect SSD users are when u transfering large file or copying large files within SSD it self. (unless like what other ppl say u copying from gigabyte lan + USB + Firewire + DVD all at same time to your SSD drive.

There is arguments of does it effect people in real day life...and I would say not in booting or when u open applications, maybe it will effect you when u load up large maps in games like WOW or CS.

However the truth is apple downgraded to SATA 1.5Gits/s without letting us know, most of us was expecting the same at least....

And I think it is 100% correct to say will it effect normal everyday computering experience....

Imagine there is a porsche turbo....and then a new version of porsche come out and you bought the new version....then to find out your new version have slightly less top speed (250)than the previous version lets say
(270) ........

Does it effect your everyday driving? proberly not. however when one day u can actually go to a race course and drive..it will make a difference...and you would much prefer the person who sold u the car to tell you that...rother than find out yourself. (i don't know much about cars ..so i could be wrong here)

But in this case..the technology is there...SSD is very real...and in this forum many people have bought SSD and do want to put in their macbook....and by knowing their SSD can't do it full potential is disheartening....

 

[TEBnewyork]

Spot on

I was too busy enjoying using my Mac to notice there was such a catastrophe looming. If I'd realised that I could possibly lose many milliseconds of my precious time due to this issue, I'd be on the next plane to Cupertino to personally demand immediate action.

Now, where did I put that stopwatch.... I'm a "Pro" so I must check how long it takes to save this message.....

I don't think it is the matter of losing a few precious seconds. I think the point is, some of us want to make sure we don't spend a lot of money to put a fast SSD into our computer that won't be able to run at its full potential. Very simple.

 

[twisted panties]

I just bought a bmw, and the dealer decided to disable 3 of the 6 cylinders because I can't legally go over 65, and why would I want to anyway?

?

 

[bugout]

fullhd video editing of home movies..

I think what's truly pathetic is you had to register a new nick to make these comments instead of posting under your real one..

 

[rushmere]

I don't think it is the matter of losing a few precious seconds. I think the point is, some of us want to make sure we don't spend a lot of money to put a fast SSD into our computer that won't be able to run at its full potential. Very simple.

I do understand why some people are upset, and my post was somewhat "tongue in cheek". However, as the previous poster said, there needs to be some perspective. You would think that the sky had fallen in from some of the posts on here.

We don't really know how much effect this will have on real-world usage. We also don't know whether this is even a hardware issue. I find it hard to believe that Apple would go to the trouble of fitting two different types of SATA controller depending on what drive you order. It would cost them more than it would save. I'm sure we'll find out the full story in due course, but it's possibly just a software or firmware issue.

 

[Shao]

Spot on

I was too busy enjoying using my Mac to notice there was such a catastrophe looming. If I'd realised that I could possibly lose many milliseconds of my precious time due to this issue, I'd be on the next plane to Cupertino to personally demand immediate action.

Now, where did I put that stopwatch.... I'm a "Pro" so I must check how long it takes to save this message.....

Well I do understand that...at end of day...what drives technology?
Does it matter to you really if you computer takes two minute to boot? compare to one minute? proberly not...to most of people 1 minute of their life doesn't means much ...

However there will be people willing to spend money, to buy a computer that takes half of time to boot.....

put that into SSD....i'm sure there will be people who would like to buy SSD knowing full potential can be reached..SSD under Sata 3g copying 50 gig file knowing it will take lets says....220MB/s..which is 220 seconds...compare to now a SSD under SATA 1.5g, which mybench mark shows around 125MB/s......which works out to be 400 seconds....

work it into minute term will be what... SSD under Sata 3gig will able to copy 50 gig file
at 3.666 minute compare to 6.667 minutes.....

sure...not many ppl who copy 50 gig of file everyday...who is to say that a 500 gig SSD in the next 1 or 2 years won't come out and become standard?

Those who bought the new MBP, with intention to put in SSD didn't know it was a downgrade on the SATA...and apple did not let us know about it.
And Many people would have think twice about SSD and MBP 13" combination if they know this in advance........

 

[twisted panties]

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[TEBnewyork]

Those who bought the new MBP, with intention to put in SSD didn't know it was a downgrade on the SATA...and apple did not let us know about it.
And Many people would have think twice about SSD and MBP 13" combination if they know this in advance........

Bingo!

But don't forget the 15" as well.

 

[goMac]

And is one of them pre-equipped with an SSD?
Someone suggested (way back) that SSD-pre-equipped models will have 3.0, while user-upgraded only get the 1.5...

Someone already checked an SSD one and it was 1.5.

 

[CoffeeWarrior]

The fact that this is not making news in Macrumors or anywhere else on the internet makes me wonder if its a real issue, or maybe the websites are afraid to criticize apple.

 

[Admonitor]

I have one of the first batches of Aluminium Macbooks (13", 2.0GHz), and my speed is reported as 3Gbit.

Does this depend on the drive that Apple put in?

 

[TEBnewyork]

Someone already checked an SSD one and it was 1.5.

Not sure where. They aren't available yet.

 

[iMacmatician]

Many have suggested that this would be solved by a firmware update, but how does it work? I mean, is capable of changing things like this remotely?

It made me think of the wireless-n enabler a few years ago, but I'm not sure if they're the same thing.

 

[SportyMac]

could some compare the chipsets, pls?! ( or did i overreed that her?)
i read in a german thread its supposedly the same chipset!
greetz

 

[Shao]

The fact that this is not making news in Macrumors or anywhere else on the internet makes me wonder if its a real issue, or maybe the websites are afraid to criticize apple.

Coffee warrior i love ur robitin signature XD

Well i think it is a true issue..because i bought both macbook 5 days apart from each other so i was able to do benchmark on them..and i think this issue is real. As we haven't heard of any 13" macbook PRO owners comes out and said they have SATA 3g..., only have SATA 1.5g

yet all the 13" macbook (without SD card) all report their have Sata3g

 

[bobbett]

For what it's worth, I use a MacBook Pro ( 1.5Gbps SATA ) for full HD editing of home movies, and with the large files, I found the size of the HD is more important ( no SSD for that very reason .. 500GB internal WD for me ) than worrying about the SATA interface.

Try recording HD video and audio to HD while using logic with a AD/DA interface to provide a live mix (with plugins), while recording said live mix to external hard drive on a 1.5 sata buss.
See how she does.

 

[thadoggfather]

my early 2008 mbp penryn only has 1.5gbit too. so what's the big deal?

 

[harshw]

Pathetic. Proves my point that there are morons that think halving an arbitary technical spec is equivalent to halving actual performance.

To use your own analogy, I imagine you do use the power and torque of a 6 cylinder engine accelerating ( to 65, or to 30, or to whatever pointless speed helps you understand ) and enjoy its smoothness, or whatever.

You dont use 3Gbps on your laptop hard drive. So you dont miss it.

Or do you ? Give a scenario. I'm dying to hear everyone squeak up that, yes, actually Mr Panties, my special needs are truly amazing and I am always needing 3Gbps from my hard drive due to the immense amount of geothermal-modelling/3D video/weather prediction/shuttle orbit simulation/really-fast-finder-operations I do all the time.

Seriously, I'm intrigued. Real world "I use a laptop for X where X needs >1Gbps data transfer on my internal hard drive for a significant amount of time" comments would be useful. Else this is just another tissue-by-the-benchmark issue.

TP

You don't have to be using shuttle orbit simulation or anything else. If anyone does predictive analytics - which is very common with almost every mid sized consumer and retail company - and runs programs such as Matlab, Mathematica, SPSS, SAS, databases and/or uses around 20GB ~ 50GB of data ... there is a huge difference between 200 mb/sec sequential write and 100 mb/sec sequential write speeds.

A lot of people use the MacBook Pro as a high end laptop. Knowing that a MBP is equipped with a 1.5 Gbit/s SATA bus whereas the predecessor was a Mac Book (and not Pro) and had a 3.0 Gbit/s SATA bus - that flies in the face of what makes a "high" end laptop.

 

[Unprocessed1]

The fact that this is not making news in Macrumors or anywhere else on the internet makes me wonder if its a real issue, or maybe the websites are afraid to criticize apple.

Yeah seriously, it's not going anywhere unless MR, AppleInsider, Engadget, etc. pick up on it...

 

[zsnow]

my early 2008 mbp penryn only has 1.5gbit too. so what's the big deal?

that's because it's a intel chipset. I never heard of nvidia MCP79 chipset use 1.5 gibt on any product until apple release the new uMBP. It's a regression and Apple should fix it.