Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
I never claimed in any way that it doesn't have good specs. I just think their design, internal and external were very derivative of Apple. And there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, the rMBP has more variety of ports than the Razer Blade. It has 2 Thunderbolt ports and an SD card slot. The SD card slot is kind of negligible but a single Thunderbolt (much less 2) is not negligible. But for gamers, Thunderbolt is not of much use.

I agree fully.. Although the cost for Thunderbolt is very High. I remember all us MBP owners begging for BR and Apple refused to give in. The answer we will never know. Was it to keep those iTunes dollars coming in, or was it due to the high price of BR licensing.

Don't get me wrong I will most likely be a Mac guy for life, as I have been for the last 10 years or so. Although the things I have seen change with Apple is pure profit related. I'm sorry but before the Retina Apple got pretty damn Lazy on stepping up the game, yes the unibody was a great step, but the internals where middle of the road and high end prices. In all honesty in the mobile market, the iPads, iPhones and iPods will eventually lose out. IOS is getting extremely blahhh and the close minded lock down on software/hardware will be the decline if they don't change. Consumers today are much more educated with tech, and prefer the ability to have input and customize the way there devices look (on screen). Android has been gaining huge grounds on IOS worldwide and no one can deny that. So for Razer to produce a system with great specs, and Apple inspired looks I think it's a kick in the ASS Apple needs. Let's hope it pushes Apple to innovate again, but more then likely it will only push Apple to SUE the hell out of Razer. And in the end with that kind of mentality the only one who suffers is the consumer.
 
I agree fully.. Although the cost for Thunderbolt is very High. I remember all us MBP owners begging for BR and Apple refused to give in. The answer we will never know. Was it to keep those iTunes dollars coming in, or was it due to the high price of BR licensing.

Don't get me wrong I will most likely be a Mac guy for life, as I have been for the last 10 years or so. Although the things I have seen change with Apple is pure profit related. I'm sorry but before the Retina Apple got pretty damn Lazy on stepping up the game, yes the unibody was a great step, but the internals where middle of the road and high end prices. In all honesty in the mobile market, the iPads, iPhones and iPods will eventually lose out. IOS is getting extremely blahhh and the close minded lock down on software/hardware will be the decline if they don't change. Consumers today are much more educated with tech, and prefer the ability to have input and customize the way there devices look (on screen). Android has been gaining huge grounds on IOS worldwide and no one can deny that. So for Razer to produce a system with great specs, and Apple inspired looks I think it's a kick in the ASS Apple needs. Let's hope it pushes Apple to innovate again, but more then likely it will only push Apple to SUE the hell out of Razer. And in the end with that kind of mentality the only one who suffers is the consumer.

Apple isn't aiming solely for market share. Google is. But the problem is that you can't grab the most market share, make the most money AND make amazing products with great design and great software. A good example was Dell. Their race to sell the most PCs left them in an awful position. Their short term thinking really screwed them up. They sold the most units, their quality and brand became negatively known, they made basically no money per unit sold. Now look at them. Stock is an all time low and they're in the process of going private. Michael Dell doesn't understand the value of quality. Sure you make a quick buck, but what about next year? When your POS falls apart (and it did), people won't be thinking "hey let's get another Dell because the quality was so bad on the last one". Never ever go cheap. That is why Lenovo is owning everyone in the PC market right now. They managed to make money AND grab the most market share AND make amazing products (a good portion came from IBM ThinkPad). That's impressive to pull off. Lenovo didn't choose to go Dell on us. Many of their machines are priced even more expensive than Apple. While I think iOS is due for some fresh blood, I don't think that old is worse or anything like that. A good example of this is the ThinkPad. Design has not changed that in over a decade. Yet ThinkPads are still regarded by many as top notch. They still sell well and profit margins aren't narrow thin/negative.

I beg to differ. Out of the 14-15 friends I have (across various ethnic backgrounds, ages, genders, etc.) who use Android phones, none of them actually give half a rat's behind about customizability, widgets, side-loading apps, etc. Half of them have expressed interest in iPhones because of the customer support and quality. This is not a diss at Android, but I'm just telling you that the reasons why us geeks like Android are different from people who aren't geeks. Android has been making gains around the world mainly due to low entry cost. The level of quality of Androids vary from Apple level like HTC One to some knockoff no-brand device sold for $50. Many people around the world cannot afford whatever the iPhone costs in their market. Just like they can't afford the high-end Androids like S4, HTC One, etc. But they have the option to buy something much cheaper. And it won't be running iOS... The point of a business is to make money and Apple is making the most money (by a significant margin) in the smartphone market. That has not changed at all since they entered the market. Samsung has been taking a more dominant position in this regard at the expense of other players (not Apple) like LG, Moto, HTC and Nokia.

As for BR, I think Apple made the right decision to skip it. The trend today is streaming. Netflix, Hulu, etc. Why? People are buying more tablets and smartphones. Unless you want BR players to somehow be shrunk to fit in those devices, skipping BR did not really have much of a negative effect. Most people don't want, need or use them. And if you do, just get an external BR drive. They are cheap enough (I saw one for $60 on sale on Newegg). Look at the rise in popularity of download-only models like Steam, Adobe CS Cloud, Windows App Store (I can't remember exact name...), Mac App Store. People don't use optical media like they used to. It won't go away overnight but it's on its way out. Even Microsoft realizes this, which is why they are investing in Azure and Xbox to compete in cloud.
 
13" rMBP or cMBP is not high end machine so 15" should be so that might be the reason Apple feels i3/i5 Haswell CPU dual core is perfect for 13" and like MBA. :apple:
 
Then they should not use the word "Pro". It's misleading and embarrassing.

I know none if us can do anything about this.
 
Then they should not use the word "Pro". It's misleading and embarrassing.

I know none if us can do anything about this.


also just because Im not in the design part Im not a pro? accountants, writers office workers, server maintenance...
 
Apple is focused on differentiating the products as much as possible. So that's why you'll not get a dGPU in the 13''. Or a quad-core CPU. It may be possible, but Apple won't do it. They want you to buy the 15'' instead = more profit for them. That's how it works... It's also why you'll never get the "perfect" device from a company like Apple.

Apperently the 13" retina isn't selling very well. Shouldn't :apple: differntiate it from the Air instead of the 15" which is already different from the screen size?
 
Apple is focused on differentiating the products as much as possible. So that's why you'll not get a dGPU in the 13''. Or a quad-core CPU. It may be possible, but Apple won't do it. They want you to buy the 15'' instead = more profit for them. That's how it works... It's also why you'll never get the "perfect" device from a company like Apple.

I'm not disagreeing at all but if I had to guess it would be to offset the costs for both models and probably assuming if you need that kinda power you'll want the bigger screen. Total speculation though
 
I would have snapped up a rMBP 13 months ago if it had a dGPU. I will be hoping for one in the next weeks, but I am not betting on it.

I just hope that they seriously consider it. Apple forget about your legacy with crippling the 13" models, forget your assumptions about your customers personas. Forget about battery life (you're covered with the iGPU as long as the user hasn't turned off graphics switching). I will gladly pay extra for a smaller powerful laptop with power behind it.
 
I would have snapped up a rMBP 13 months ago if it had a dGPU. I will be hoping for one in the next weeks, but I am not betting on it.

I just hope that they seriously consider it. Apple forget about your legacy with crippling the 13" models, forget your assumptions about your customers personas. Forget about battery life (you're covered with the iGPU as long as the user hasn't turned off graphics switching). I will gladly pay extra for a smaller powerful laptop with power behind it.

Looking at the numbers I would honestly rather have a Haswell chip with Iris Pro than a dGPU in the rMBP 13".

You get almost as much performance but a lot less power usage. That means longer battery life and less heat. Also then you aren't stuck with the dGPU only when running Windows, so battery life there would be greatly improved.

Fingers crossed for a 47w quad core with Iris Pro in the next rMBP 13".
 
Looking at the numbers I would honestly rather have a Haswell chip with Iris Pro than a dGPU in the rMBP 13".

You get almost as much performance but a lot less power usage. That means longer battery life and less heat. Also then you aren't stuck with the dGPU only when running Windows, so battery life there would be greatly improved.

Fingers crossed for a 47w quad core with Iris Pro in the next rMBP 13".

Wouldn't that be nice.
 
Question: If the 13" rMBP does not get a dedicated GPU, does that mean everyone is anticipating it will have the Iris Pro HD 5200?
 
Question: If the 13" rMBP does not get a dedicated GPU, does that mean everyone is anticipating it will have the Iris Pro HD 5200?

Iris pro 5200 is the best scenario, otherwise its HD 4600 which is the worst case scenario.

the only chips that have 5200 are quads and ULV....it is possible that quads are too hot, and ULV is way underpowered....
 
No
It is a possibility but more likely it will just be an HD 5000/5100 or maybe not even that.
HD 5200 is only available on 47W BGA chips. I think they can fit and there is also an option of tinkering with the TDP but who knows. It could be but it definitely isn't a given. Would definitely be the best in terms of performance.

There is a 37W Quad Core non BGA which only has a HD 4600.
Then there are lots of possible dual core versions with HD 5000.
The odd thing is that if Apple offers an optional quad core upgrade. Using the 37W Quad it would simultaneously be a GPU downgrade. That goes against company policy at keeping the choices for customers limited, simple to understand and not having to make compromises when paying up.

That is why I think it is either a HD 5200 Quad stuffed in it or no Quad Core at all and only dual cores. Quite frankly the latter would be a joke.

Most likely just dual cores with an HD 5100. Cool, long battery life. Significantly less powerful than the 15" and therefore making people pay up.

Likelyhood of seeing a HD 5200 in the next rMBP 13" equals less than 25% IMO.
 
No
It is a possibility but more likely it will just be an HD 5000/5100 or maybe not even that.
HD 5200 is only available on 47W BGA chips. I think they can fit and there is also an option of tinkering with the TDP but who knows. It could be but it definitely isn't a given. Would definitely be the best in terms of performance.

There is a 37W Quad Core non BGA which only has a HD 4600.
Then there are lots of possible dual core versions with HD 5000.
The odd thing is that if Apple offers an optional quad core upgrade. Using the 37W Quad it would simultaneously be a GPU downgrade. That goes against company policy at keeping the choices for customers limited, simple to understand and not having to make compromises when paying up.

That is why I think it is either a HD 5200 Quad stuffed in it or no Quad Core at all and only dual cores. Quite frankly the latter would be a joke.

Most likely just dual cores with an HD 5100. Cool, long battery life. Significantly less powerful than the 15" and therefore making people pay up.

Likelyhood of seeing a HD 5200 in the next rMBP 13" equals less than 25% IMO.

I agree, all dual cores are ULV processors that serves better purpose for MBA instead of MBP...it would be insane to use such underpowered processor on a "pro" machine.
 
I agree, all dual cores are ULV processors that serves better purpose for MBA instead of MBP...it would be insane to use such underpowered processor on a "pro" machine.

No .. there are plenty of non ULV dual cores. eg. i5-4200M, i5-4300M, i7-4600M etc.
 
There are MSI 11" Ivy notebooks with dGPUs. Not saying they are better, not saying I want a PC. I am saying its possible if Apple wanted to build it. Apple didint even put a Quad in the 13". Heck, the Sony Z 2.56lb notebook has one. I want a 13" laptop from Apple without compromise. Use the cMBP shell for all I care.

You sacrifice a lot of battery life with a 13" quad core.
 
Looking at the numbers I would honestly rather have a Haswell chip with Iris Pro than a dGPU in the rMBP 13".

You get almost as much performance but a lot less power usage. That means longer battery life and less heat. Also then you aren't stuck with the dGPU only when running Windows, so battery life there would be greatly improved.

Fingers crossed for a 47w quad core with Iris Pro in the next rMBP 13".

What reasons would they have not to do that, or make it a BTO option?
 
"Pro" is pretty much a marketing term and is meaningless in real life terms. It's as meaningless as the word "Power" in Power Mac.

I worked with a client who developed a 1st generation product, single tier product, and they called it the [product name] "pro." They didn't seem to understand that you have to start with something, then add a Pro, Extreme, or 2 for the subsequent versions with more features.

Car names are generally better... calling things by their make/model name + year is very clear. Apple is slightly hep to that with the iPad, not that it isn't terribly confusing and a source of much mockery.
 
Imo

Iris probably not. Im hoping for a dual-core with higher graphic capabilities over a quad with lower graphics capabilities. the 13 inch needs at least the 5100 or im buying a discounted 2012 :)
 
Iris probably not. Im hoping for a dual-core with higher graphic capabilities over a quad with lower graphics capabilities. the 13 inch needs at least the 5100 or im buying a discounted 2012 :)

The thing is that with Haswell, the quads generally have better graphics than the mainstream duals.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.