Love the overall size of my 12" iBook. 13" in the same footprint would be ok, but I hope they dont make the book any bigger. Lighter would be great. Most folks that lift my ibook are surprised by its weight... heavier then it looks. Go for the MiniTi!
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Re: Don't think so
I have to disagree. The 13 inch ibook would probably be the only screen size offered in the ibook family. This would consolidate the R/D and production on the ibook line.
I would also think a one processor speed ibook would also be logical, lets say a G4 667 chip currently in the tbook. Then as options you would have maybe two levels of video cards, ram options and for the high end ibook an external Superdrive.
Apple would still have to maintain a performance "distance" between the ibook and the tbook, or who would buy a tbook?
This is a speculation on my part, but it makes sense, like dropping the 15" lcd iMac and keeping the 17" iMac as the base model. 😀
I have to disagree. The 13 inch ibook would probably be the only screen size offered in the ibook family. This would consolidate the R/D and production on the ibook line.
I would also think a one processor speed ibook would also be logical, lets say a G4 667 chip currently in the tbook. Then as options you would have maybe two levels of video cards, ram options and for the high end ibook an external Superdrive.
Apple would still have to maintain a performance "distance" between the ibook and the tbook, or who would buy a tbook?
This is a speculation on my part, but it makes sense, like dropping the 15" lcd iMac and keeping the 17" iMac as the base model. 😀
Human-translated version of the article
I've just translated the article for you guys. It may still not be perfect English, but you guys could get the meaning of it clealy now. Enjoy.
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September 18, 2002
According to the information we've received, Apple will change the design of 13" LCD screen (1024 by 768 pixel resolution) iBook from its glossy polycarbonate material to the iMac-like white matte-finished one. Apple is in the final development stage to release new iBooks by the end of this year. The new iBook design will have a chrome finished Apple logo instead of the logo illuminated by the LCD backlight, and the palm-rest part will likely be made of glossy polycarbonate material.
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They don't mention what their info source is. Is this a credible stuff we are dealing with???
I've just translated the article for you guys. It may still not be perfect English, but you guys could get the meaning of it clealy now. Enjoy.
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September 18, 2002
According to the information we've received, Apple will change the design of 13" LCD screen (1024 by 768 pixel resolution) iBook from its glossy polycarbonate material to the iMac-like white matte-finished one. Apple is in the final development stage to release new iBooks by the end of this year. The new iBook design will have a chrome finished Apple logo instead of the logo illuminated by the LCD backlight, and the palm-rest part will likely be made of glossy polycarbonate material.
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They don't mention what their info source is. Is this a credible stuff we are dealing with???
jefhatfield
Retired
if they can make 13" inches and keep it under five pounds, that would be great!
or have a sub-one thousand dollar 12" inch model, a 13" inch model, and a 14" inch special edition model
i have also thought about even a 15.2" inch widescreen special edition model shaped like the tibook, but with fewer features
or have a sub-one thousand dollar 12" inch model, a 13" inch model, and a 14" inch special edition model
i have also thought about even a 15.2" inch widescreen special edition model shaped like the tibook, but with fewer features
pianojoe
macrumors 6502
That's exactly what I think. I didn't go for the Powerbook because I need a tool in a strong casing that fits in all the places where I would usually put A4 paper sheets. You don't need a bag for an iBook. Yes, mine is somewhat scratched, too, but I don't mind. It's a tool, after all.
Last week, my ibook fell of the seat in the bus when the driver had to brake hard. It flew about 2 meters, landed gracefully on the floor. Still works fine, just another scratch. (Don't try this at home.)
Still no G4
I agree that the 13" model will be the new standard.
But I disagree on a G4:
1. How do you dissipate the extra heat with a polycabonate case?
(TiBook gets HOT HOT HOT even with metal)
2. Keeping a G3 keeps that performance distance from the TiBook.
Remember, for the target iBook audience, a faster G3 (800?) is better than having a slower G4.
The current iBook 700 beats the TiBook 667 on non-Altivec apps.
If the user needs Altivec, then they're a pro, and Apple wants to sell them a TiBook.
I agree that the 13" model will be the new standard.
But I disagree on a G4:
1. How do you dissipate the extra heat with a polycabonate case?
(TiBook gets HOT HOT HOT even with metal)
2. Keeping a G3 keeps that performance distance from the TiBook.
Remember, for the target iBook audience, a faster G3 (800?) is better than having a slower G4.
The current iBook 700 beats the TiBook 667 on non-Altivec apps.
If the user needs Altivec, then they're a pro, and Apple wants to sell them a TiBook.
jefhatfield
Retired
Re: Still no G4
but os x is altivec, so at some point ibook will need to go G4, once tibook goes much faster and once apple gets the heat issue under control, or motorola reduces the micron process to where the chip can operate at a much lower temperature
i predict G4 ibook in 2003
i have a pc laptop from 98-99 with an amd k6-2 chip with 3dnow and that thing is hot with it's chip containing .23 micron transistors...and when my laptop heats up, everything slows down
some chips ran on .35 micron and even .43 micron and if they ran at speeds that computers run today, they would melt or seize up
amd went onto experiment with liquid cooled chip using copper tubing for the k6 chips because they ran so hot...but no chip now runs that hot today thank god
my pc laptop still works fine but after an hour, it doesn't feel any faster than a mid level pentium 1😛
oh, and also, you should hear the fans on my pc laptop...loud in a way mac users are totally unaccustomed to
thankfully, i have never heard a laptop fan from any current mac or pc laptops that loud since the fans now are much smaller as they don't need to be helicopter props anymore😉
but os x is altivec, so at some point ibook will need to go G4, once tibook goes much faster and once apple gets the heat issue under control, or motorola reduces the micron process to where the chip can operate at a much lower temperature
i predict G4 ibook in 2003
i have a pc laptop from 98-99 with an amd k6-2 chip with 3dnow and that thing is hot with it's chip containing .23 micron transistors...and when my laptop heats up, everything slows down
some chips ran on .35 micron and even .43 micron and if they ran at speeds that computers run today, they would melt or seize up
amd went onto experiment with liquid cooled chip using copper tubing for the k6 chips because they ran so hot...but no chip now runs that hot today thank god
my pc laptop still works fine but after an hour, it doesn't feel any faster than a mid level pentium 1😛
oh, and also, you should hear the fans on my pc laptop...loud in a way mac users are totally unaccustomed to
thankfully, i have never heard a laptop fan from any current mac or pc laptops that loud since the fans now are much smaller as they don't need to be helicopter props anymore😉
DavidRavenMoon
macrumors regular
Re: Babelfish translation - anyone speak Japanese?
Sherlock does an equally funny translation:
"When September 18th of 2002 * with the square bamboo basket ' Ì whose iBook is new according to the information of announcement, from the poly- mosquito where iBook of 13 inch liquid crystal (solution x1024x768) loading is an optical 'ò of the current model, like iMac the mat it becomes the square bamboo basket ' Ì of white, development is the last 'i floor even within year destined for the announcement within year, it is thing. It seems that the poly- mosquito 'f material where with iBook of the..."
Hmmmm, a bamboo iBook made of poly-mosquito materia!
😀
Sherlock does an equally funny translation:
"When September 18th of 2002 * with the square bamboo basket ' Ì whose iBook is new according to the information of announcement, from the poly- mosquito where iBook of 13 inch liquid crystal (solution x1024x768) loading is an optical 'ò of the current model, like iMac the mat it becomes the square bamboo basket ' Ì of white, development is the last 'i floor even within year destined for the announcement within year, it is thing. It seems that the poly- mosquito 'f material where with iBook of the..."
Hmmmm, a bamboo iBook made of poly-mosquito materia!
😀
Over Achiever
macrumors 68000
Just wondering...
Why can't they put ports on both sides and have the CD load from the front? And why can't you have a USB port and the combo drive on the same side anyway? Right now, my PC laptop has a CD drive on the right, and it has the modem port on the same side. I really think that apple should at least put one USB port on the right side for those that have the portable mice, where the cord is only 3' long.
Anyway, my PC laptop has a 13" screen...not as slick as the iBook, but if they can put a 13" screen in the same footprint then its a good move. But then there's the problem with the 14" screen...what will happen to it? Imagine your options...13" screen or a 14" screen...if apple goes 13" then its seems that the 14" should be dropped, or atleast upgraded to a 15" model. Maybe make a 10" subnotebook for under $1000. Otherwise I don't think the 13" screen makes much sense to me.
Why can't they put ports on both sides and have the CD load from the front? And why can't you have a USB port and the combo drive on the same side anyway? Right now, my PC laptop has a CD drive on the right, and it has the modem port on the same side. I really think that apple should at least put one USB port on the right side for those that have the portable mice, where the cord is only 3' long.
Anyway, my PC laptop has a 13" screen...not as slick as the iBook, but if they can put a 13" screen in the same footprint then its a good move. But then there's the problem with the 14" screen...what will happen to it? Imagine your options...13" screen or a 14" screen...if apple goes 13" then its seems that the 14" should be dropped, or atleast upgraded to a 15" model. Maybe make a 10" subnotebook for under $1000. Otherwise I don't think the 13" screen makes much sense to me.
Over Achiever
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Re: Human-translated version of the article
I know he said his english wasn't perfect, but could this just be a typo? I read this as saying that the current 13" iBook will change materials...yet we don't have a 13" iBook. Did they mean the 12" iBook? Is this article simply saying that the iBook's material will change to look more like the current iMacs?😱
I know he said his english wasn't perfect, but could this just be a typo? I read this as saying that the current 13" iBook will change materials...yet we don't have a 13" iBook. Did they mean the 12" iBook? Is this article simply saying that the iBook's material will change to look more like the current iMacs?😱
Re: Re: Human-translated version of the article
Maybe I just want to believe this rumour, but, in some ways it seems obvious. The only real sticking-point for the current iBook since its release has been the size of its screen. The 14" 'solution' to that problem just lead to other problems. The (more obvious) solution of replacing the 12" screen with a larger one with smaller edge-margins is the right way forward. Updating the case to look more iMac-esque would give further distinction to the revision. Whether that makes it less likely to scratch is another question. At least polycarbonate (or poly-mosquito or bamboo, for that matter) doesn't have a tendency to rust - like another product I can think of.😉
That's a good point. But why would the change only apply to the smaller iBook?
Maybe I just want to believe this rumour, but, in some ways it seems obvious. The only real sticking-point for the current iBook since its release has been the size of its screen. The 14" 'solution' to that problem just lead to other problems. The (more obvious) solution of replacing the 12" screen with a larger one with smaller edge-margins is the right way forward. Updating the case to look more iMac-esque would give further distinction to the revision. Whether that makes it less likely to scratch is another question. At least polycarbonate (or poly-mosquito or bamboo, for that matter) doesn't have a tendency to rust - like another product I can think of.😉
Over Achiever
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Re: Re: Re: Human-translated version of the article
True...but I haven't personally seen a ti-book rust yet...have you?
True...but I haven't personally seen a ti-book rust yet...have you?
A buddy of mine works at the Apple store near me. Generally, he says most people don't get the idea of the smaller iBook. They understand the price point, but don't get how a smaller screen can be better. However, he does sell a lot of the 12" models, specifically because of the price. He says a lot of students picked those up at the end of this summer for back-to-school.
Apple needs to continue to innovate their small size laptop. Keeping the footprint the same, but fitting in a bigger screen, might strike a good balance between the current 14" and 12 " models.
Apple needs to continue to innovate their small size laptop. Keeping the footprint the same, but fitting in a bigger screen, might strike a good balance between the current 14" and 12 " models.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Human-translated version of the article
No. I was joking. I think the rusty TiBook is just one of those odd rumours/myths that gravitate around the mac platform (adding to the interest).
3' of cord isn't enough to strectch around the iBook? At the least, you'd still have a foot and a half of cord to play with. That seems like plenty to me. I've got the 12.1" iBook, and I actually like having the ports on the left side. I bought a standard Logitech optical mouse and even after wrapping it behind the back of the iBook, I have more than enough cable to move around comfortably with it. I like not having all the connectors sticking out of the same side I'm using my mouse on. I think that would be worse to have all of my peripherals and cords in a big rat's nest where I'm trying to use my mouse. I actually wish the power connector was on the same side as all the other ports, because I just end up wrapping the cord around to the other side anyway.
My girlfriend and I both have iBooks and hope Apple keeps the polycarb shells. Granted, they're prone to scratching, but they're durable as hell.
If you're really concerned about the scratches, there's a product you can buy from most auto parts stores that helps take minor scratches and fog out of clear plastic. Not sure if this would work on an iBook, but it seems to work fairly well car gauges.
I wonder if that compund you can buy to help restore scratched CDs might work. It doesn't remove the deepest scratches, but it took care of most of the minor stuff on my CDs. Cleaned 'em up real nice.
I haven't tried either product on my iBook...but it's a thought.
If you're really concerned about the scratches, there's a product you can buy from most auto parts stores that helps take minor scratches and fog out of clear plastic. Not sure if this would work on an iBook, but it seems to work fairly well car gauges.
I wonder if that compund you can buy to help restore scratched CDs might work. It doesn't remove the deepest scratches, but it took care of most of the minor stuff on my CDs. Cleaned 'em up real nice.
I haven't tried either product on my iBook...but it's a thought.
Just a note on the flexibility and durabilty of iBooks:
I once had my iBook on the floor as I cleaned out my bag.
Our daughter decided to use it as a step 😱 .
She's about 11 kg (24 pounds).
No probs, breaks afterwards!!!! 😀
I once had my iBook on the floor as I cleaned out my bag.
Our daughter decided to use it as a step 😱 .
She's about 11 kg (24 pounds).
No probs, breaks afterwards!!!! 😀
jefhatfield
Retired
Re: Re: Re: Re: Human-translated version of the article
i think rusty tibooks would be cool 😉
or even better yet, pre-rusted tibooks to go along with those stylish pre-grunged jeans that all those girls are sporting these days
one of my part time jobs is landscaping and the jeans i wear are totally grunged out like that because i worked hard to get them that way...now all you have to do is go to the mall and buy them
so steve jobs, are you listening?
give us a special edition pre-rusted tibook so us laptops users could start a new fashion trend😛
i think rusty tibooks would be cool 😉
or even better yet, pre-rusted tibooks to go along with those stylish pre-grunged jeans that all those girls are sporting these days
one of my part time jobs is landscaping and the jeans i wear are totally grunged out like that because i worked hard to get them that way...now all you have to do is go to the mall and buy them
so steve jobs, are you listening?
give us a special edition pre-rusted tibook so us laptops users could start a new fashion trend😛
13 inch iBook
I own the new iMac 17 inch and although I am very impressed with the system overall The plastic base attracts dirt, oils and other grime. I also own a 12.1 inch iBook and find it very easy to keep clean and scratch free. If they change the case on anything it should be on the iMac to the more smooth look of the current iBook.🙄
I own the new iMac 17 inch and although I am very impressed with the system overall The plastic base attracts dirt, oils and other grime. I also own a 12.1 inch iBook and find it very easy to keep clean and scratch free. If they change the case on anything it should be on the iMac to the more smooth look of the current iBook.🙄
Re: Re: Human-translated version of the article
Well, I didn't think about it much when I translated this but it looks like the original article DOES state the screen size as "13 inch." This is a pretty straight-forward translation. It doesn't say if it's a complete new design or just a partial material change. I guess it's just bits of info they've got.
Then again, they don't say what their source of info is for this particular article.
Well, I didn't think about it much when I translated this but it looks like the original article DOES state the screen size as "13 inch." This is a pretty straight-forward translation. It doesn't say if it's a complete new design or just a partial material change. I guess it's just bits of info they've got.
Then again, they don't say what their source of info is for this particular article.