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If mine has coil whine I can't hear it. This is nothing compared to the coil whine that I had on my previous PC gaming laptop, could hear it from 20ft away.

Yeah, all these noises are really, really quiet overall. I had a couple people with good hearing listen and they couldn’t hear it. I think some people are just overly sensitive to these noises, myself included.

Whether yours doesn’t have it or you can’t hear it, enjoy!
 
This effect is common in poorly designed switch mode power supplies. It appears Apple's designers messed up or someone in the supply chain made a poor component substitution. Definitely in the class of problems described as a "manufacturing defect". I would suggest attempting the lottery but it seems your window is closed. Try anyway. Otherwise, you should pay close attention and try to quantify the noise level and if it gets worse over time. The audible sound is generated by the mechanical disturbance caused by the changing load conditions of the power supply and the inductors (coils) used in these power supplies. The mechanical disturbance vibrates the components and could be a long term reliability issue down the road which causes a future failure. Keep in written touch with Apple on the issue and keep an eye out for a recall.
 
I think all machines have it (i had a sample size of three with the M3 Pro, all had it), and people who say my machine does not have it do not listen closely or have bad ears.
The M4 Pros also have it to some extent, and there is also no real variability between the machines.
And i do not think that this will lead to problems, as it is common in other types of machines also. If you listen closely you can also hear it in an iPad or whatever.
 
Every single Mac with SSD I have owned has some degree of coil whine/noise with the SSD. 2015 13" Pro, 2020 Air, 2013 Trashcan, 2021 14" Pro, 2024 14" Max...

You can only hear it in a very quiet room and only occasionally. Sounds sort of like a very faint hard drive access noise. It literally took me 1-2 years to notice it with my 13" 2015 MacBook Pro.

Is what it is. It's very quiet (like, noise of rubbing my index and thumb together is 3-5x louder), but not 100% silent.

It's still way quieter than any Mac with a spinning disk and way quieter than any PC I have ever used. If the fan actually ran you'd never hear the SSD.
 
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Yeah, my M4 iPad actually does make very similar noises too, though you really have to listen for it.
 
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I just got the Macbook M4 Pro 16 inch. It definitely has some whining electrical sound coming out if while running LLM models locally. And only while doing that. I cannot replicate the sound doing anything, even benchmarks. I am fairly confident that in my case it is the GPU stress that causes this sound. I have the 20 core GPU version.

I am wondering if this is something to worry about. The replacement process is such a pain, I would rather not go through it, other than that the laptop is working like a dream.
 
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I just got the Macbook M4 Pro 16 inch. It definitely has some whining electrical sound coming out if while running LLM models locally. And only while doing that. I cannot replicate the sound doing anything, even benchmarks. I am fairly confident that in my case it is the GPU stress that causes this sound. I have the 20 core GPU version.

I am wondering if this is something to worry about. The replacement process is such a pain, I would rather not go through it, other than that the laptop is working like a dream.

From what I’ve read, and what others have suggested on this thread, whether coil whine is present or not seems to be mostly down to the design of the chip and the power delivery system, and is not so much dependent on individual variation due to manufacturing. And from what I understand, this is unlike something like display or keyboard issues, where there’s greater variance device-to-device due to manufacturing. I think if you get a replacement, it’s possible you may get one that is quieter, but it’s probably not super likely. Is yours a custom config or one of the preset models? If it’s not custom it’ll be easier to exchange it in an Apple Store.

Another possibility is that this batch of machines is louder and that this is something they will straighten out later in the manufacturing process, in a few months. But as there are reports of this from the M3 generations, and even M2 and some of the chips in the M1 generations, personally I don’t think that’s likely.

Also, I’m beginning to suspect that the sounds are all pretty similar, but what each individual picks up on depends on their personal hearing sensitivity.

Not to give you more stuff to worry about but if you open the Photos app and scroll up and down through your library, can you hear a very faint buzzing coming from the center of the keyboard? You may have to put your ear pretty close to it in a quiet room. What I’ve found is all the sounds that I’m hearing, from the hissing to the chattering to the whining, all come from that spot. So I’m starting to think this is normal as even my M4 iPad makes these sounds if I listen close enough.

By the way, the loudest sound mine makes is quieter than gently placing a finger on a key or rubbing my fingers together. These are all very quiet sounds relatively speaking.
 
From what I’ve read, and what others have suggested on this thread, whether coil whine is present or not seems to be mostly down to the design of the chip and the power delivery system, and is not so much dependent on individual variation due to manufacturing. And from what I understand, this is unlike something like display or keyboard issues, where there’s greater variance device-to-device due to manufacturing. I think if you get a replacement, it’s possible you may get one that is quieter, but it’s probably not super likely. Is yours a custom config or one of the preset models? If it’s not custom it’ll be easier to exchange it in an Apple Store.

Another possibility is that this batch of machines is louder and that this is something they will straighten out later in the manufacturing process, in a few months. But as there are reports of this from the M3 generations, and even M2 and some of the chips in the M1 generations, personally I don’t think that’s likely.

Also, I’m beginning to suspect that the sounds are all pretty similar, but what each individual picks up on depends on their personal hearing sensitivity.

Not to give you more stuff to worry about but if you open the Photos app and scroll up and down through your library, can you hear a very faint buzzing coming from the center of the keyboard? You may have to put your ear pretty close to it in a quiet room. What I’ve found is all the sounds that I’m hearing, from the hissing to the chattering to the whining, all come from that spot. So I’m starting to think this is normal as even my M4 iPad makes these sounds if I listen close enough.

By the way, the loudest sound mine makes is quieter than gently placing a finger on a key or rubbing my fingers together. These are all very quiet sounds relatively speaking.
Hey thanks for the reply, it makes me worry less. As a matter of fact I do not think this matter. I just tried what you suggested, while scrolling in the photos app I do hear a very (and I do mean very very) quiet electrical sound. I think you are right and that it is not anything to worry about.

One thing that aligns with the proposition that this is based on the power draw is what I just discovered.
When running LLMs or doing anything very GPU intensive I can hear this sound only in High Power Mode (as well as automatic mode, due to the fact that automatic switches to High Power).

When I switch to Low Power Mode the sound is completely gone.

If the sound get worse or unnatural I will visit the Apple store and replace it. If that does not happen I agree with you and I think some people either do not hear it or do not push their GPU to that extent. Like I said, I can only hear it while running LLMs locally.

Oh and about the issue being there since M1 chips, I found an article from 2006 that described this happening with Macbooks. I think this is not a fault but expected behavior, at least if you ask Apple. If they wanted to, or were able to resolve this I believe they would have. Obviously not enough people are complaining about.

I really have to listen for this and lean into the laptop to hear it. After all we do get the insane power inside of a portable device, something I could have never imagined 5 years ago. Perhaps this is one of the small downsides. I cannot say it bothers me enough, it is just that the device is new so I am on alert during my 30 days return period.

So it is safe to assume you kept your Macbook and did not go through any replacements in order to address this?
Do you mind reporting if switching the power mode affects the whine on your device?

Again, thanks for your lengthy reply.
 
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I exchanged my M4 Pro for another one and the new one is silent as well, no coil whine. But running Cinebench I swear that I notice that the right fan seems to be louder than the one on the left. Is this normal? I keep sticking my ear at one fan, listen and then go to the other fan and then listen again.
 
So it is safe to assume you kept your Macbook and did not go through any replacements in order to address this?

Yes, I kept it and did not replace it. It would have taken several weeks to get a replacement and based on everything I’ve read if you can hear the noise on one device you’ll probably hear it in others. You can search for “m4 pro coil whine” and “m3 pro coil whine” in Google to find reports on reddit of people doing exchanges. There’s also @Ascn in this thread who went through several M3 Pros that all had this noise.

Yes it was happening a while ago and more recently in the last Intel 16” Macbook Pros. But I think the M1 generation was quieter than normal. I had an M1 Air and an M1 Pro MacBook Pro and they were completely silent. As of M2 you start seeing reports of coil whine again.

Do you mind reporting if switching the power mode affects the whine on your device?

Again, thanks for your lengthy reply.

Yes it does, in “Low power” mode I can barely hear anything, it’s pretty much completely silent! Forgot to mention that in my original reply.
 
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I exchanged my M4 Pro for another one and the new one is silent as well, no coil whine. But running Cinebench I swear that I notice that the right fan seems to be louder than the one on the left. Is this normal? I keep sticking my ear at one fan, listen and then go to the other fan and then listen again.
Weird! Mine sounds equal left to right. Do you remember if your previous one sounded even?
 
I am wondering if this is something to worry about. The replacement process is such a pain, I would rather not go through it, other than that the laptop is working like a dream.

It's nothing to worry about and is a symptom of high power delivery in various electronics. Some machines will have it worse than others but it generally happens under high power consumption. Every desktop 300W+ class gpu I have had, has had pretty bad coil whine. Have had other laptops with coil whine. 2d graphics adapters with coil whine going back to the 90s.
 
It's nothing to worry about and is a symptom of high power delivery in various electronics. Some machines will have it worse than others but it generally happens under high power consumption. Every desktop 300W+ class gpu I have had, has had pretty bad coil whine. Have had other laptops with coil whine. 2d graphics adapters with coil whine going back to the 90s.
Thank you for your reply! I appreciate it. I guess all that‘s left is to enjoy the laptop 💻😀
 
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