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Can someone share their battery numbers for 14" Base Model - light and/or heavy use?
 
next year when  releases the "MroPax MacBooks"
they will have better battery life.
they wholeheartedly promise!
 
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I don’t mean to undermine your analysis, but Apple could have done better and I will be proven right when the next version features better battery life.
Aren’t you the same person that was complaining about these machines being too thick and heavy?

And now you’re also complaining they don’t have enough battery life, despite setting record numbers for machines in their performance level?

This is insane, you’re expecting a company to shatter the laws of physics on an annual basis. Obviously there will be improvements in the future, that’s how technology works. Expecting it all to happen in the first year is unbelievably stupid.
 
I agree but at the same time, I think we need move forward and forget about the intel days. The M1 was released last year and it’s almost as if we are providing excuses and defending Apple for giving the 14 sub-par battery, the worst actually, in the entire M1 lineup.

The 14” MBP doesn’t have an iPad chip in it.
 
Aren’t you the same person that was complaining about these machines being too thick and heavy?

And now you’re also complaining they don’t have enough battery life, despite setting record numbers for machines in their performance level?

This is insane, you’re expecting a company to shatter the laws of physics on an annual basis. Obviously there will be improvements in the future, that’s how technology works. Expecting it all to happen in the first year is unbelievably stupid.
Apple should've released their car this year and I will be proven right in 2027 when they release their car.
 
This thread is borderline hilarious.

Apple have provided laptops that have far better performance vs battery power than any Intel / AMD laptop and people are complaining?
 
I think this should basically be the end of this thread:


The 14" M1 Pro 10C is not just crushingly faster than anything else in its size and weight class, but it also lasts significantly longer no matter the workload. In my experience, this is true. I can very easily get through a workday with the 14", and even if the battery dies, fast charge is there to save the day, and the 14" can be fast-charged via all of its ports, not just via MagSafe.
 
Surf the web, watch Youtube, etc...

Also, look: it's the WindowServer issue again.

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This happens like... twice or thrice a day. You can see it's clearly wrecking battery life. Restarting the machine is the only thing that helps.

When I'm not seeing this issue, the machine does last a long time. If/when WindowServer becomes like this, the machine barely lasts 7 hours, exactly the same as the result you're seeing in that video.
I’m curious if something like that is going on with iOS. Sometimes just scrolling Safari will heat up the phone and tank the battery and other days it’s fine. 13 mini here.
 
I’m curious if something like that is going on with iOS. Sometimes just scrolling Safari will heat up the phone and tank the battery and other days it’s fine. 13 mini here.

I don't think so. WindowServer is the window manager for MacOS. On iOS, there is no such thing as a window manager.

My problem may be due to something obvious like a runaway background process. I'm guessing... Logitech Options. But since I use the mouse and keyboard quite often, I haven't had the chance to disable Logitech Options to test whether it's the culprit.
 
Sounds like the tester clearly set it up - don’t they call that click bait? Whatever happened to honest, professional tests?
 
I think this should basically be the end of this thread:


The 14" M1 Pro 10C is not just crushingly faster than anything else in its size and weight class, but it also lasts significantly longer no matter the workload. In my experience, this is true. I can very easily get through a workday with the 14", and even if the battery dies, fast charge is there to save the day, and the 14" can be fast-charged via all of its ports, not just via MagSafe.
Does it for me. MBP = better, faster, longer battery life and cheaper. Defense rests your honor!
 
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Does it for me. MBP = better, faster, longer battery life and cheaper. Defense rests your honor!
Why are you comparing the 14’s battery to the Surface Laptop? That’s an apples to oranges comparison. When compared to the M1 13 and Pro 16, the 14 is the worst and is trash.
 
If you were trying to undermine it then you wouldn't be successful. You're offering zero counter-points or explanations for your complaints.

How could they have done better? Well they could've made the chassis even thicker and heavier to put a larger battery in. I'm sure that would've gone over well. Or they could've kept the screen resolution the same. Or they could've gimped performance.

Really, how do you think they could have done better? Obviously the next version will have better battery life due to the inherent efficiency improvements of the N5P and N4 chip processes (as displayed by the longer battery life in the iPhone 13 series), but the M1 Pro and M1 Max use the same N5 process as the M1.

Doing better in 18 months with a completely different chip architecture does not "prove you right" in the claim that they could've done better with an M1-based processor today with those features, in that chassis, with that battery size.
Why are you asking me how Apple could have improved the battery capacity for the 14? Perhaps they could have given it less power and swap out a GPU core with an efficiency core? Are you suggesting you know 100% based on the construct of the 14 in its existing form factor that it is physically impossible for Apple to have improved the battery? How do you know with certainty that Apple tried their best to provide us with max battery capacity on the 14?
 
1 and 3. M1 is plenty powerful.

Based on this, I think you have already made up your mind to stick with either the Air or the Pro. Those are indeed the machines for you then.

But there are people who are wishing for more performance than M1. Personally, I do admit that M1's CPU performance is more than what I need, but the GPU performance is not. M1 Pro is just barely meeting what I need for Fusion 360. Even so, this is after running Fusion 360 + Google Chrome + VSCode + Safari + Capture One Pro:

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...and an hour later:

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I have just lost 8% of the battery. 100 / 8 = 12.5 hours.

The M1 13" Pro under this same usage will choke (mostly due to Fusion 360) and won't last that much longer.

Edit: here's Activity Monitor in case you're curious:

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Again, if you need more battery life than this, then I think the Air and Pro M1 are still there for your use case. It's not like you don't have a choice.
 
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Based on this, I think you have already made up your mind to stick with either the Air or the Pro. Those are indeed the machines for you then.

But there are people who are wishing for more performance than M1. Personally, I do admit that M1's CPU performance is more than what I need, but the GPU performance is not. M1 Pro is just barely meeting what I need for Fusion 360. Even so, this is after running Fusion 360 + Google Chrome + VSCode + Safari + Capture One Pro:

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...and an hour later:

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I have just lost 8% of the battery. 100 / 8 = 12.5 hours.

The M1 13" Pro under this same usage will choke (mostly due to Fusion 360) and won't last that much longer.
Thanks for sharing. I’m still interested to hear how long the 14 will last in Lower Power Mode. You don’t have it turned on because you need the power at al times, correct?
 
The first part of the test in the video isn't worth much, because the machines were doing different amounts of work (depending on their GPU power).

The second part looked good, though. Given the difference in battery size, the 14" does fine.

NotebookCheck's tests found the 8-core ran for over 13 hours in light wifi browsing at 150 nits, 15 hours in the video loop test.
 
Mine is not the base model 14" but the 10/16 version.

I'm consistently getting 12 hours from normal use.

Today I'm on a run rate of 13+ hours as I've mainly been using safari and listening to music.
 
Thanks for sharing. I’m still interested to hear how long the 14 will last in Lower Power Mode. You don’t have it turned on because you need the power at al times, correct?

Yes. I don't want to turn on Low Power Mode at all because it messes with Safari and also I need all of the power I can get for Fusion 360. It is the one thing I have that can make M1 choke.

I think my experience differs enough from all of these tests performed on Youtube to warrant a closer look. Also you can read reviews by The Verge, or someone else to see that I'm not the only one getting >10 hours.

For instance:
 
The first part of the test in the video isn't worth much, because the machines were doing different amounts of work (depending on their GPU power).

The second part looked good, though. Given the difference in battery size, the 14" does fine.

NotebookCheck's tests found the 8-core ran for over 13 hours in light wifi browsing at 150 nits, 15 hours in the video loop test.
No one uses their MBP at 150 nits for an extend period of time
 
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