15" Macbook Pro (2015) - Refurbished From Apple Site

[Falhófnir]

Ever fat-finger a stock order? Buy 10,000 shares instead of 1,000? I once went to buy something heavily traded and fat fingered the order and wound up buying a thinly traded Garman ADR. Now that was my fault. I really don't want a bad keyboard either inserting or removing an extra 0 or letter when I place a quick trade.

I was using a 2008 system until a year ago. These 2014 and 2015 systems are fine for what I do. Could they be a little faster and have a little more RAM? Sure. But hopefully Apple will fix their problems this year or next and then I can move on.

Cool, but with due respect, that's your specific use case and we're not talking about you here OP has specified they want the maxed out machine with dGPU, it can't be overlooked that the 2015 has a considerably weaker GPU than the basic 555X equipped 2018 model, that it has an ageing quad core CPU while the 2018 model has a newer, hexacore chip, and the 2015 lacks support for HEVC if OP plans to use it for video work. That's really all I'm trying to get across here. What would help is if @Tech_Mac_Man could gave us a bit more detail on his intended usage to base any recommendations off of, but from what I can gather, the 2015 potentially is going to be a poor value purchase for him if he's taxing the system compared to several other options.

 

[Donnation]

Exactly this. Though it's not ideal to have to get a KB repair, it's relatively unlikely to happen, and Apple can now put it right in a day or so if you live near enough to a store. At this point, if you're actually doing something that makes use of the power or new tech like HEVC, its not worth denying yourself that for a 2015 machine. Better options are iMac, Windows machine or pay your money and take your chance with a 2018 for most. The 2015s were a pretty good deal even in 2017, but we're now in 2019 and the 2015 is starting to feel like a 4 year old machine. Particularly as it had a year-old processor when new.

I agree with you here on all of this, but again this depends on what you are doing with the laptop. There are many users who don't need the power of a MacBook Pro, but want the additional screen size that the 15" offers. For them, the 2015 model is going to be more than enough machine to last for quite a while.

I also think typing on the newer MacBook Pro's is a horrific experience. I get it that not everyone feels this way, but I would be that 9 out of 10 people if blindfolded and asked to type on each keyboard that they would choose the 15" model. It also saves you from dongle life (if that's something that bothers you).

I absolutely believe its a better buy than the 2016 and 2017 models due to the even worse keyboard and the guaranteed flex cable issue that will eventually happen. The 2018 is a better value, but it comes with so many shortcomings and potential issues that for many people the 2015 is a better option.

Again, all my opinion and I love these types of debates which is why I come here to discuss these things. I think its extremely beneficial to buyers to have these types of open discussion and I greatly value your opinions as well.

 

[Fishrrman]

The vast majority of folks who buy "Apple refurbished" directly from the Apple store are very pleased with their purchases (including me).

Having said that, I'm wondering if -some- of the stuff sold as "refurbished" by Apple isn't actually "new old stock" instead, that hadn't been "sold off" when newer models were introduced.

In any case, if I absolutely had-to-buy a "new" Apple MacBook Pro today, and had the option of choosing the 2015 design instead of the 2016/17/18/19 design -- I'd pick the 2015.

More "robust" overall.
A good keyboard that doesn't fail.
Ports that you can actually use without dongles and adpaters.

But hey... that's just me.

 

[pshufd]

I agree with you here on all of this, but again this depends on what you are doing with the laptop. There are many users who don't need the power of a MacBook Pro, but want the additional screen size that the 15" offers. For them, the 2015 model is going to be more than enough machine to last for quite a while.

I also think typing on the newer MacBook Pro's is a horrific experience. I get it that not everyone feels this way, but I would be that 9 out of 10 people if blindfolded and asked to type on each keyboard that they would choose the 15" model. It also saves you from dongle life (if that's something that bothers you).

I absolutely believe its a better buy than the 2016 and 2017 models due to the even worse keyboard and the guaranteed flex cable issue that will eventually happen. The 2018 is a better value, but it comes with so many shortcomings and potential issues that for many people the 2015 is a better option.

Again, all my opinion and I love these types of debates which is why I come here to discuss these things. I think its extremely beneficial to buyers to have these types of open discussion and I greatly value your opinions as well.

My workplace gave us 13 inch 2015 MBPs and these are dual-core 3.1 Ghz models and these are supposed to last us for five years. My personal 2015 is 2.5 Ghz but I'd like to get a 2.8 Ghz model. The 2.8 Ghz + Discrete Graphics should get close to twice the processing power of the 13 inch. Given this, the 2015 models, in the estimation of my workplace, should be enough horsepower well beyond 2021.
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The vast majority of folks who buy "Apple refurbished" directly from the Apple store are very pleased with their purchases (including me).

Having said that, I'm wondering if -some- of the stuff sold as "refurbished" by Apple isn't actually "new old stock" instead, that hadn't been "sold off" when newer models were introduced.

In any case, if I absolutely had-to-buy a "new" Apple MacBook Pro today, and had the option of choosing the 2015 design instead of the 2016/17/18/19 design -- I'd pick the 2015.

More "robust" overall.
A good keyboard that doesn't fail.
Ports that you can actually use without dongles and adpaters.

But hey... that's just me.

It very well may be. My company buys a bunch and then gives them out as we hire people. Some of these can be sitting on the shelf for a year or longer. I found that out recently as I know an employee that got one in 2017 but it was a 2015 model and was already out of warrant. I asked how that could be and he explained the dates to me.

 

[Falhófnir]

I agree with you here on all of this, but again this depends on what you are doing with the laptop. There are many users who don't need the power of a MacBook Pro, but want the additional screen size that the 15" offers. For them, the 2015 model is going to be more than enough machine to last for quite a while.

I also think typing on the newer MacBook Pro's is a horrific experience. I get it that not everyone feels this way, but I would be that 9 out of 10 people if blindfolded and asked to type on each keyboard that they would choose the 15" model. It also saves you from dongle life (if that's something that bothers you).

I absolutely believe its a better buy than the 2016 and 2017 models due to the even worse keyboard and the guaranteed flex cable issue that will eventually happen. The 2018 is a better value, but it comes with so many shortcomings and potential issues that for many people the 2015 is a better option.

Again, all my opinion and I love these types of debates which is why I come here to discuss these things. I think its extremely beneficial to buyers to have these types of open discussion and I greatly value your opinions as well.

Well yeah, I also absolutely agree with the thrust of what you're saying here, but I think where we differ is that for me, the specific machine the OP is looking at is different from the entry level model going for about $1,699 - it's clearly overkill for a general use computer, and at this point I have to question, if you want a performance-oriented machine if the 2015 still cuts it today, considering you can get a brand new computer with 8th/9th gen chips, latest graphics, DDR4 RAM etc etc for that sort of price. Absolutely the 2015 is still a competent computer for even moderate tasks, but it is now undeniably ageing internally and I think that deserves to be a point of consideration here, as it's only getting further behind over the next 2-3-4 years. Already a 4th gen 22nm quad core CPU scoring 4391/13926 in geekbench vs an 8th gen 14nm hexacore scoring 4615/18471 is beginning to add up to a significant difference in CPU power. But more significantly, on the GPU side, even the most basic 555X in the 2018 is around 1/3 faster than the GPU in the 2015, with 2x the VRAM, and this is let alone what's in the iMac or a Windows equivalent laptop. Now, as OP has opted for a machine with the graphics card, I'm guessing he's probably going to make use of it. I can't say for certain unless he comes back and says specifically what he plans to do, but that's how I'm interpreting this choice of machine.

 

[pshufd]

Well yeah, I also absolutely agree with the thrust of what you're saying here, but I think where we differ is that for me, the specific machine the OP is looking at is different from the entry level model going for about $1,699 - it's clearly overkill for a general use computer, and at this point I have to question, if you want a performance-oriented machine if the 2015 still cuts it today, considering you can get a brand new computer with 8th/9th gen chips, latest graphics, DDR4 RAM etc etc for that sort of price. Absolutely the 2015 is still a competent computer for even moderate tasks, but it is now undeniably ageing internally and I think that deserves to be a point of consideration here, as it's only getting further behind over the next 2-3-4 years. Already a 4th gen 22nm quad core CPU scoring 4391/13926 in geekbench vs an 8th gen 14nm hexacore scoring 4615/18471 is beginning to add up to a significant difference in CPU power. But more significantly, on the GPU side, even the most basic 555X in the 2018 is around 1/3 faster than the GPU in the 2015, with 2x the VRAM, and this is let alone what's in the iMac or a Windows equivalent laptop. Now, as OP has opted for a machine with the graphics card, I'm guessing he's probably going to make use of it. I can't say for certain unless he comes back and says specifically what he plans to do, but that's how I'm interpreting this choice of machine.

I was at Costco yesterday and had a look at their selection of MacBook Pros. None of them had discrete graphics so I wondered how my 2015 AMD Graphics compares to whatever the Intel integrated is in current models. The 2018 models have discrete graphics so they must be selling 2017 models as well. They had 3 13 inch models, all with 8 GB of RAM and integrated graphics. I would guess that my 2015 maxed out would beat all of the 13 inch models and maybe whatever 15 inch model they had on display. At least in certain workloads.

At any rate, that Costco would be selling the array of models that they had out implies that the typical user doesn't require very much. How does the MacBook Pro compare in performance to the MacBook or MacBook Air today?

How does the modern MacBook Pro compare to two 2015 MacBook Pros - because that is my usage model right now.

 

[Painter2002]

So to answer your question, the refurbished models on Apple's site are either new devices, trade-ins, or returns. Apple will completely replace anything not in like new condition, so the machine you get will be basically brand new, and quite frankly better QC than buying a new one. I have a 2017 MBP with TB that I've had for over a year and it is in perfect condition and no hardware issues at all.

Having said that, I think you really should review your options. Spending $3k on a 4 year old model would be unwise in my opinion considering that the processors and other tech in the device are becoming aged, and if you do have issues, you are closer to having an "Obsolete" laptop that Apple won't fix. I'd either get a newer MacBook Pro or find a comparable Windows machine for the same amount or less cost.

 

[Falhófnir]

I was at Costco yesterday and had a look at their selection of MacBook Pros. None of them had discrete graphics so I wondered how my 2015 AMD Graphics compares to whatever the Intel integrated is in current models. The 2018 models have discrete graphics so they must be selling 2017 models as well. They had 3 13 inch models, all with 8 GB of RAM and integrated graphics. I would guess that my 2015 maxed out would beat all of the 13 inch models and maybe whatever 15 inch model they had on display. At least in certain workloads.

At any rate, that Costco would be selling the array of models that they had out implies that the typical user doesn't require very much. How does the MacBook Pro compare in performance to the MacBook or MacBook Air today?

How does the modern MacBook Pro compare to two 2015 MacBook Pros - because that is my usage model right now.

13" Pros have never had dGPUs, and since the 2016 all 15" pros have had a dGPU - the 2015 was the last 15" to offer the option of just beefed up Iris Pro integrated graphics. The 2018 13" is just marginally faster on the CPU (it's also quad core, but only 28W, but as it's 14nm, cancels out the lower TDP to some extent) but no, it won't be as powerful on GPU intensive tasks - at least not until Intel come out with the (rumoured) chips with significantly better (1Tflop+) integrated graphics. The base 2018 15" is more powerful than the maxed out 2015 15" across the board.

 

[pshufd]

13" Pros have never had dGPUs, and since the 2016 all 15" pros have had a dGPU - the 2015 was the last 15" to offer the option of just beefed up Iris Pro integrated graphics. The 2018 13" is just marginally faster on the CPU (it's also quad core, but only 28W, but as it's 14nm, cancels out the lower TDP to some extent) but no, it won't be as powerful on GPU intensive tasks - at least not until Intel come out with the (rumoured) chips with significantly better (1Tflop+) integrated graphics. The base 2018 15" is more powerful than the maxed out 2015 15" across the board.

The face screen showed only Intel but I guess I should have looked at the details. At any rate, I'd guess that the base 2018 15 doesn't have more horsepower than 2 2015 15s. Especially in the screen real estate department.

 

[Painter2002]

At any rate, I'd guess that the base 2018 15 doesn't have more horsepower than 2 2015 15s. Especially in the screen real estate department.

2 laptops compared to one isn't really a proper comparison. I mean maybe you can run two separate processes, one on each 2015 15" machine, and it will be faster than using one 2018 15" MBP, but that isn't really cost effective at the cost of the refurb unit that OP was discussing ($3k+).

Personally I'd get the 2018 15" MBP, and a second 1440p or 4k monitor for the extra screen real estate. You come out at a much cheaper cost than buying two separate $2-3k laptops, and you can use the monitor for any future upgrades you make to your setup.

 

[pshufd]

2 laptops compared to one isn't really a proper comparison. I mean maybe you can run two separate processes, one on each 2015 15" machine, and it will be faster than using one 2018 15" MBP, but that isn't really cost effective at the cost of the refurb unit that OP was discussing ($3k+).

Personally I'd get the 2018 15" MBP, and a second 1440p or 4k monitor for the extra screen real estate. You come out at a much cheaper cost than buying two separate $2-3k laptops, and you can use the monitor for any future upgrades you make to your setup.

I run a browser, email, a bunch of Apple apps and two trading programs which are heavyweight and they can use a lot of RAM. Ideally I'd be using a Mac Pro at home and in the office or an iMac. But the use of laptops means that I don't have to copy configuration files between machines.

The most expensive refurb 2015 MBP runs under $2,500 in US terms. I'm not aware of any that are in the $3K range unless you're talking about the original new price.

I have a 27 inch 4K display arriving today. I also use an additional QHD at home and 2 QHDs in the office.

I spent $1,123 for my 2015 15 rMBP. So buying two of them would be around the price of something new. I don't care that much about cosmetics. Would I spend $2,400 on a refurb? Sure. If I had to. OWC sells them too for a lot less and with 2 TB options.

 

[Falhófnir]

The face screen showed only Intel but I guess I should have looked at the details. At any rate, I'd guess that the base 2018 15 doesn't have more horsepower than 2 2015 15s. Especially in the screen real estate department.

I run a browser, email, a bunch of Apple apps and two trading programs which are heavyweight and they can use a lot of RAM. Ideally I'd be using a Mac Pro at home and in the office or an iMac. But the use of laptops means that I don't have to copy configuration files between machines.

The most expensive refurb 2015 MBP runs under $2,500 in US terms. I'm not aware of any that are in the $3K range unless you're talking about the original new price.

I have a 27 inch 4K display arriving today. I also use an additional QHD at home and 2 QHDs in the office.

I spent $1,123 for my 2015 15 rMBP. So buying two of them would be around the price of something new. I don't care that much about cosmetics. Would I spend $2,400 on a refurb? Sure. If I had to. OWC sells them too for a lot less and with 2 TB options.

I don't really see what you're saying here again. There's nothing to suggest OP is looking at more than a single MPB setup... Ultimately this comes down to whether what you're doing can be split between two computers effectively, and I'm guessing not a lot of use cases really can. For most, a single, base $2.5k 2018 MBP (new, less if you get it refurbished) is going to have more to offer performance wise than two maxed out 2015s for $5k. In raw power terms, the base 2018 is approximately 30% more powerful (multi core) than the maxed 2015. The i9 is about 60% more powerful. If you use a lot of RAM, the 2018 has a 32GB option, so on that metric it is twice as good as a 2015. I'm pretty certain the 2015 machines maxed out at 1TB of storage (I remember 2TB was a new option for 2016) so either that's incorrect, or it's a third party after market addition (and given the SSDs are proprietary, and 2TB modules were never made, it sounds like quite a sketchy one).

 

[pshufd]

I don't really see what you're saying here again. There's nothing to suggest OP is looking at more than a single MPB setup... Ultimately this comes down to whether what you're doing can be split between two computers effectively, and I'm guessing not a lot of use cases really can. For most, a single, base $2.5k 2018 MBP (new, less if you get it refurbished) is going to have more to offer performance wise than two maxed out 2015s for $5k. In raw power terms, the base 2018 is approximately 30% more powerful (multi core) than the maxed 2015. The i9 is about 60% more powerful. If you use a lot of RAM, the 2018 has a 32GB option, so on that metric it is twice as good as a 2015. I'm pretty certain the 2015 machines maxed out at 1TB of storage (I remember 2TB was a new option for 2016) so either that's incorrect, or it's a third party after market addition (and given the SSDs are proprietary, and 2TB modules were never made, it sounds like quite a sketchy one).

OWC sells refurb 2015s with 2TB SSDs. I'm thinking about it but I want to know that they don't have the power issues when sleeping that have been reported with other aftermarket M.2 SSDs.

This is my use case and I understand that most people don't want to carry two or three laptops around with them. It works for me so far and it looks like it may work for a while. I have no doubt that my trading software, though, will demand more in resources with time. But I hope that Apple can fix their problems by then.

Or it's a monster Windows Gaming laptop. Maybe something with 64 GB of RAM, expandable to 128 GB.

 

[Tech_Mac_Man]

When you purchase from Apple's refurbished site you are buying brand new, just without the new box. Apple replaces the shell on the computer as well as fixes any defects the computer may have had, and puts in a new battery. I only purchase from their refurbished site and they are indistinguishable from new, aside from the box that says "refurbished" on it.

They all come with the standard 1 year Apple warranty and you can buy the additional AppleCare if you'd like.

Wow that is really good to know. I had no idea that they replace almost everything on the used Mac to make it look like it rolled off the factory floor....Thank you!
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I know there's the complexity of currency conversion with CAD vs. USD, but still, something doesn't seem right when someone is willing to spend that much money on a 4 year old computer. I just looked (at least in the US) and there appears to be some 2015 models available, and at least in USD, the price is in the 2k range.

Still I think that's vastly over priced for such an old computer, and yes I realize there is a warranty associated with the purchase, but stil...

It seems to be a sad state of affairs that mac fans are willing to spend 2 to 3 thousand dollars on a 4 year old computer, then wanting to spend nearly that amount on brand new MBP

Yes I do agree it is WAY WAY overpriced I am still holding off on it...Soon as I see what the NEW update looks like in June/July of this year I will see which one I will be getting my hands on....As of now the 2.8ghz FULLY MAXED out with Dual Cards are the best option for video/photo editing...Plus I love the glowing Apple and MagSafe!

 

[Tech_Mac_Man]

After watching this engineer/coder's YouTube video...I may hold off from buying the MAXED OUT 2015 model from Apple...He makes some very valid points...After all it is a 5yr old intel processor that came out in 2013-2014...

 

[rushmere]

Hey Guys,

Just a quick question I have been following the Apple Refurbished site and I noticed that Apple is still selling the MAXED OUT 2015 2.8ghz, 1tb, 16gb, AMD Graphics card on their actual site.

I want to know are these the ones ppl have sent in with prior issues/problems? Or are these brand new ones left over from stock room?

Has anyone ordered from the actual Apple site and got one? If so how is the condition (blemishes, scratches, dents, dings)? I am very picky just want to know if they replace everything to make it look NEW (screen, body)?

I seen a post where someone ordered one from the actual Apple website and the magsafe ports were all beat up. If I am going to spend almost $3k + tax CAD for a used Mac it better look NEW!

Let me know your experience?

I bought that same model from Apple last year as a refurb (I’m In New Zealand).

It looked as new, in fact I wouldn’t be totally surprised if it was actually new.

I tried the latest MacBook Pro and hated it. The 2015 model offered everything I needed, it saved me a lot of money compared to buying new (discounted new Apple hardware is not generally available in my country from other retailers), and I have the comfort of a warranty exactly as if it was new.

Some shudder at “4 year old technology”, but technology isn’t moving so fast these days, and real-world performance for 90% of regular users will be indistinguishable from a newer model.

I liked it so much I bought another one for my partner before they sold out.

 

[Tech_Mac_Man]

I bought that same model from Apple last year as a refurb (I’m In New Zealand).

It looked as new, in fact I wouldn’t be totally surprised if it was actually new.

I tried the latest MacBook Pro and hated it. The 2015 model offered everything I needed, it saved me a lot of money compared to buying new (discounted new Apple hardware is not generally available in my country from other retailers), and I have the comfort of a warranty exactly as if it was new.

Some shudder at “4 year old technology”, but technology isn’t moving so fast these days, and real-world performance for 90% of regular users will be indistinguishable from a newer model.

I liked it so much I bought another one for my partner before they sold out.

So it looked BRAND NEW and shiny like if you bought it New from the Apple back in 2015. WOW so just the box was just all white that's the only difference. I am guessing the charger/powercord is also brand new?

That is crazy no wonder they charge so much! I thought they just clean it up and call it a day. But they make it look NEW...What about the battery cycle count...Was it zero when you got yours? Or did it have a low count like 5-100 cycles? How does it hold up in PhotoShop and Final Cut pro with effects and rendering the video?

 

[rushmere]

So it looked BRAND NEW and shiny like if you bought it New from the Apple back in 2015. WOW so just the box was just all white that's the only difference. I am guessing the charger/powercord is also brand new?

That is crazy no wonder they charge so much! I thought they just clean it up and call it a day. But they make it look NEW...What about the battery cycle count...Was it zero when you got yours? Or did it have a low count like 5-100 cycles? How does it hold up in PhotoShop and Final Cut pro with effects and rendering the video?

Yes, it all looked absolutely new. All cables, documentation and packaging were new and unused, with everything sealed in plastic (including the laptop and main box). I only checked the battery on one of them when new, and it was unused, so either the laptop was actually a brand new model, or the battery had been replaced. If it wasn't for the design on the box being different, there is no way you would be able to tell it wasn't straight from the factory. I believe that's how all Apple refurbished products are supplied.

It's great with Photoshop, but I don't use Final Cut Pro so can't comment on that.

 

[rockstarjoe]

I just received my 2015 refurb yesterday and it is fantastic! Perfect condition, as others have mentioned. Brand new battery with zero cycles. I bought the lowest end 15" model, so a 2.2Ghz with 16GB of RAM and a 256 GB SSD for $1700. I went back and forth for a while, holding out for a new model, but I am really happy I went with this model after all. I do plan to install a Sabrent Rocket M.2 SSD later (with assistance from the other Macrumors thread on upgrading your SSD), but for now this laptop is just what I needed. I am a developer and play around with Logic Pro on the side.

 

[pshufd]

I just received my 2015 refurb yesterday and it is fantastic! Perfect condition, as others have mentioned. Brand new battery with zero cycles. I bought the lowest end 15" model, so a 2.2Ghz with 16GB of RAM and a 256 GB SSD for $1700. I went back and forth for a while, holding out for a new model, but I am really happy I went with this model after all. I do plan to install a Sabrent Rocket M.2 SSD later (with assistance from the other Macrumors thread on upgrading your SSD), but for now this laptop is just what I needed. I am a developer and play around with Logic Pro on the side.

Congrats. You got the most reliable MacBook Pro of the decade.
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[Tech_Mac_Man]

I just received my 2015 refurb yesterday and it is fantastic! Perfect condition, as others have mentioned. Brand new battery with zero cycles. I bought the lowest end 15" model, so a 2.2Ghz with 16GB of RAM and a 256 GB SSD for $1700. I went back and forth for a while, holding out for a new model, but I am really happy I went with this model after all. I do plan to install a Sabrent Rocket M.2 SSD later (with assistance from the other Macrumors thread on upgrading your SSD), but for now this laptop is just what I needed. I am a developer and play around with Logic Pro on the side.

NICE! Congrats lucky you =) Just one question are all the ports clean and spotless too? I read here somewhere who ordered from the Apple site and their magsafe port was beat up like it was used a few times with black burn in marks. As well as their USB ports. How does your look care to share some photos here.... =)
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Yes, it all looked absolutely new. All cables, documentation and packaging were new and unused, with everything sealed in plastic (including the laptop and main box). I only checked the battery on one of them when new, and it was unused, so either the laptop was actually a brand new model, or the battery had been replaced. If it wasn't for the design on the box being different, there is no way you would be able to tell it wasn't straight from the factory. I believe that's how all Apple refurbished products are supplied.

It's great with Photoshop, but I don't use Final Cut Pro so can't comment on that.

That's really good to hear....I may just pull the trigger once I find the one I want on the Apple Site.... =)

 

[Tech_Mac_Man]

I waited tooooo LONG and 2019 Macbook Pro 15" has failed me...I was really looking forward to the THIN bezels and better keyboards...I will be looking at a MAXED out 2015 15" Macbook Pro...for now...and I know I will not regret the purchase one bit at all...

 

[rockstarjoe]

I waited tooooo LONG and 2019 Macbook Pro 15" has failed me...I was really looking forward to the THIN bezels and better keyboards...I will be looking at a MAXED out 2015 15" Macbook Pro...for now...and I know I will not regret the purchase one bit at all...

Bummer about the 2019s. But I agree, you will be happy with the 2015! I am still loving mine and don’t regret waiting for the 2019. I do still plan to upgrade the ssd though.

 

[pshufd]

Long and strong 2014 and 2015. Still shopping for an additional 2015 locally. If I really need more performance, I'll go to Windows.