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You can use the CAC-1504 - The Club 3D USB 3.1 Type-C to HDMI™ 2.0 UHD Adapter to connect every 4k TV as an external Monitor to the Dell XPS 15 9550 's thunderbolt 3 / USB 3.1 port

there is no MacBook Pro that can do that, hdmi 2.0 is not known by Apple computers ...


750m is a fine GPU. OP can go 2014 rMBP since 2015 is too overpriced for it's capabilities. It's around 1700-1800 new. I bet OP can get it for like-new at around $1200-1300 which is a steal imo.

I also guarantee you that you'll never use TB3 on your Dell. Skylake is no big deal.

MBP is just a better laptop overall. Portability/longetivity/Higher quality over new-ish features like TB3 and Skylake is no biggie. Also Dell stuff is built out of plastic. The battery is cheap, power brick is cheap, etc. OP can install Windows if he wants. The trackpad on the MBP is second to none. It's a beautiful IPS display as well.

As a student you're looking for value/performance and the 2014 rMBP is a monster.

If OP wants 13" (strongly advise against it, since no dGPU. He/she may want to play a game or two) then it should be around $1100 for a brand new one. But the 15" has better speakers/bigger screen/dGPU/Better CPU. The best the 13" can do is broadwell.
 
Thunderbolt 3 / usb 3.1 is a big deal today
Club3D USB Type C to HDMI 2.0a 3D Active Adapter (CAC-1504)

http://www.amazon.com/Club3D-Type-A...=UTF8&qid=1451252854&sr=8-1&keywords=CAC-1504

the Dell XPS 15,6" 9550 can be connected to every 4k TV 60Hz using hdmi 2.0
there is no MacBook Pro able to do that


750m is a fine GPU. OP can go 2014 rMBP since 2015 is too overpriced for it's capabilities. It's around 1700-1800 new. I bet OP can get it for like-new at around $1200-1300 which is a steal imo.

I also guarantee you that you'll never use TB3 on your Dell. Skylake is no big deal.

MBP is just a better laptop overall. Portability/longetivity/Higher quality over new-ish features like TB3 and Skylake is no biggie. Also Dell stuff is built out of plastic. The battery is cheap, power brick is cheap, etc. OP can install Windows if he wants. The trackpad on the MBP is second to none. It's a beautiful IPS display as well.

As a student you're looking for value/performance and the 2014 rMBP is a monster.

If OP wants 13" (strongly advise against it, since no dGPU. He/she may want to play a game or two) then it should be around $1100 for a brand new one. But the 15" has better speakers/bigger screen/dGPU/Better CPU. The best the 13" can do is broadwell.
 
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Personally - I think the rMB is better for students.

Unless you're actually going to use the i7 quad core for something - I mean, even the rMB can handle 1080p video editing.

I think portability and comfort are the #1 concern, and the rMB can't be beat for that.

I've owned the 15, 13 and 12, and definitely prefer the 12.
 
An age old question. I'm a senior in high school and I need to get prepared for college. I'm definitely going to be buying an rMBP, but I'm not sure which. I'm currently using a 15" Y500 that weighs 6 lbs. With the laptop+backpack experiences I've had, this thing is a bother. Do you guys think a 15" rMBP would be suitable in terms of a college student in terms of size? I won't be carrying it very far, the school I'll be attending has a very small campus. Also, I realize the power to functionality ratio for a college student is less than what I'm buying. I'm sure I'd be able to get all my work done with an entry level MBA, but I like the power and performance, even if I don't necessarily need it. I know I probably won't need all the screen real estate to complete my work either, but, again, I just prefer it. So what do you guys think? Would the 15" be a good buy for me?

I would get the 13"

East to carry and use in class.
 
I have a late 2013 15.6" Macbook Pro that I've used for nearly 2 years. Then got a early 2015 13" this past week during the sale at BestBuy. I like the 13.3" better. Same speed and near iPad levels of portability, plus a slightly brighter and more color accurate screen. Only thing the 15" does better is slightly richer audio. I do NOT miss the larger screen of the 15" or its bulkiness. The 11" & 12 inchers are slightly too small. 13" is just right.
 
Try open box items at Best Buy. Mine offers incentives for buying open box and using Best Buy credit card. 2015 mid 15" MacBook which is normally $2499 I got for $1514 before taxes.

I too debated between the sizes but figure id rather have a little more power for future proofing than a little more portability

Wow I would be in on that in a heartbeat! But I really doubt the best buy here would offer such a deal here in Canada, local employees would grab all the open boxes...
 
You can use the CAC-1504 - The Club 3D USB 3.1 Type-C to HDMI™ 2.0 UHD Adapter to connect every 4k TV as an external Monitor to the Dell XPS 15 9550 's thunderbolt 3 / USB 3.1 port

there is no MacBook Pro that can do that, hdmi 2.0 is not known by Apple computers ...

That stuff is Niche.

Having a better designed/cooler (temperature)/portable/long battery and all these other nice features is a bigger win than getting the latest and greatest, especially a Dell (I hate their support...but their business support is good).

USB3.1 is coming whether we want it or not, but the point was the OP wants a laptop right now and it's somewhat unanimous in this thread that people recommend the 2014 (or open box 2015) 15" rMBP to save on costs.
 
That stuff is Niche.

Having a better designed/cooler (temperature)/portable/long battery and all these other nice features is a bigger win than getting the latest and greatest, especially a Dell (I hate their support...but their business support is good).

USB3.1 is coming whether we want it or not, but the point was the OP wants a laptop right now and it's somewhat unanimous in this thread that people recommend the 2014 (or open box 2015) 15" rMBP to save on costs.

No fan of Dell, equally 15" MBP running cooler that`s just funny :) FWIW both new XPS 13 & 15 have extremely solid run times on battery and run significantly cooler than equivalent rMBP`s, equally I would shy away form Dell unless on a business contract as I agree their after-sales support is atrocious.

If anything the elevated operating temperatures of the 15" MBP are very much it`s "Achilles Heel" resulting in a tragic track record for dGPU failures...

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No fan of Dell, equally 15" MBP running cooler that`s just funny :) FWIW both new XPS 13 & 15 have extremely solid run times on battery and run significantly cooler than equivalent rMBP`s, equally I would shy away form Dell unless on a business contract as I agree their after-sales support is atrocious.

If anything the elevated operating temperatures of the 15" MBP are very much it`s "Achilles Heel" resulting in a tragic track record for dGPU failures...

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Skylake and new GPUs in 2016 rMBP should take care of all the heat issues. Mine runs really cool, unless I use heavy dGPU tasks.
 
4k TV is not a niche and connecting a laptop to such a TV is the natural way at home
btw. windows 10 and touch screen are great
why should the OP buy old stuff when new one from Dell is os much better

That stuff is Niche.

Having a better designed/cooler (temperature)/portable/long battery and all these other nice features is a bigger win than getting the latest and greatest, especially a Dell (I hate their support...but their business support is good).

USB3.1 is coming whether we want it or not, but the point was the OP wants a laptop right now and it's somewhat unanimous in this thread that people recommend the 2014 (or open box 2015) 15" rMBP to save on costs.
 
4k TV is not a niche and connecting a laptop to such a TV is the natural way at home
btw. windows 10 and touch screen are great
why should the OP buy old stuff when new one from Dell is os much better

4k is niche. Not much good 4k content out there. Don't bring up Netflix etc, 4k is not there yet, maybe end of 2017/2018.

Sure if you go to a local electronics store most TVs are 4k already, but the content isn't there yet, my friend.

Also connecting a laptop to a TV is very very very niche.

Windows 10 is a boring OS. Clunky and ugly.
 
Skylake and new GPUs in 2016 rMBP should take care of all the heat issues. Mine runs really cool, unless I use heavy dGPU tasks.

Every 15" MBP I have owned & used has run hot, when used as intended. Skylake will change nothing as Apple will undoubtedly prioritise thin & light over productivity & utility by reducing the Notebooks thermal headroom to the absolute minimum. As I stated to a friend this is Apple`s best and we have few if any alternatives, other than Windows based hardware. Apple fully takes advantage with the current 15" MBP dGPU being absolutely sub par for a $2500 system.

The bigger issue is that many rush to defend Apple, yet the Windows space a similar specified Notebook would be completely disregarded at this price point. I don't specifically think the 15" MBP is a poor quality Notebook, equally it could be so much more for those that need such levels of performance in a portable form factor, bottom line the 15" MBP is vastly overpriced. If more of us demanded more of Apple and voted with our $$$$ I have little doubt Apple would respond positively, sadly we don't...

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Every 15" MBP I have owned & used has run hot, when used as intended. Skylake will change nothing as Apple will undoubtedly prioritise thin & light over productivity & utility by reducing the Notebooks thermal headroom to the absolute minimum. As I stated to a friend this is Apple`s best and we have few if any alternatives, other than Windows based hardware. Apple fully takes advantage with the current 15" MBP dGPU being absolutely sub par for a $2500 system.

The bigger issue is that many rush to defend Apple, yet the Windows space a similar specified Notebook would be completely disregarded at this price point. I don't specifically think the 15" MBP is a poor quality Notebook, equally it could be so much more for those that need such levels of performance in a portable form factor, bottom line the 15" MBP is vastly overpriced. If more of us demanded more of Apple and voted with our $$$$ I have little doubt Apple would respond positively, sadly we don't...

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rMBP design is about 4 years old. Apple is a design driven company, not just hardware. It doesn't care about the latest and greatest and specs (even if it comes out with the latest and greatest, the hardware becomes old within a month or two....Moore's law still applies). It forces manufacturers to fit things in their schedule, not the other way around.

Dell, HP and all these other companies have like 500 versions of their pc's and they update specs all the time, and nowadays specs don't mean anything.

There is nothing that you can do on your Dell that I can't do on my 2014 rMBP. CPU and GPU upgrades are so minuscule nowadays, it doesn't really matter. This is Apple's ideology and has always been that way. This is why when you go to any store, you see other 3rd rate companies copying Apple's design. Everything now looks like a chiclet keyboard or rMBP chasis.

When Apple comes out with a new design next year, others will copy it in a year or two. And so on.
The industry has changed a lot, so Apple is trying to adapt too.

My rMBP doesn't really get that hot, if I'm browsing the web, watching netflix, etc. But once things like Flash get used, it does become much hotter. No doubt about it. And not counting rendering and other heavy tasks. But your Dell's will do the same. The only difference is the Dells are plastic piece of crap, with terrible battery, finicky OS, etc. etc.

I'm really tired of this discussion. Apple just makes better products and we are trying to help the OP get a rMBP for the lowest price since he/she is a student. It's better to have a 1 year old rMBP than a brand new Dell just because it has a newer GPU...the overall experience is just better on the Mac side.

Why are you defending Dell on a Mac forum anyway? There are literally hundreds if not thousands of PC forums. The OP specifically asked for a Mac not an ugly Dell.
 
Every 15" MBP I have owned & used has run hot, when used as intended. Skylake will change nothing as Apple will undoubtedly prioritise thin & light over productivity & utility by reducing the Notebooks thermal headroom to the absolute minimum. As I stated to a friend this is Apple`s best and we have few if any alternatives, other than Windows based hardware. Apple fully takes advantage with the current 15" MBP dGPU being absolutely sub par for a $2500 system.

The bigger issue is that many rush to defend Apple, yet the Windows space a similar specified Notebook would be completely disregarded at this price point. I don't specifically think the 15" MBP is a poor quality Notebook, equally it could be so much more for those that need such levels of performance in a portable form factor, bottom line the 15" MBP is vastly overpriced. If more of us demanded more of Apple and voted with our $$$$ I have little doubt Apple would respond positively, sadly we don't...

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rMBP design is about 4 years old. Apple is a design driven company, not just hardware. It doesn't care about the latest and greatest and specs (even if it comes out with the latest and greatest, the hardware becomes old within a month or two....Moore's law still applies). It forces manufacturers to fit things in their schedule, not the other way around.

Dell, HP and all these other companies have like 500 versions of their pc's and they update specs all the time, and nowadays specs don't mean anything.

There is nothing that you can do on your Dell that I can't do on my 2014 rMBP. CPU and GPU upgrades are so minuscule nowadays, it doesn't really matter. This is Apple's ideology and has always been that way. This is why when you go to any store, you see other 3rd rate companies copying Apple's design. Everything now looks like a chiclet keyboard or rMBP chasis.

When Apple comes out with a new design next year, others will copy it in a year or two. And so on.
The industry has changed a lot, so Apple is trying to adapt too.

My rMBP doesn't really get that hot, if I'm browsing the web, watching netflix, etc. But once things like Flash get used, it does become much hotter. No doubt about it. And not counting rendering and other heavy tasks. But your Dell's will do the same. The only difference is the Dells are plastic piece of crap, with terrible battery, finicky OS, etc. etc.

I'm really tired of this discussion. Apple just makes better products and we are trying to help the OP get a rMBP for the lowest price since he/she is a student. It's better to have a 1 year old rMBP than a brand new Dell just because it has a newer GPU...the overall experience is just better on the Mac side.

Why are you defending Dell on a Mac forum anyway? There are literally hundreds if not thousands of PC forums. The OP specifically asked for a Mac not an ugly Dell.

How did her comment lead to your rant she said nothing about specs?
 
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Why are you defending Dell on a Mac forum anyway? There are literally hundreds if not thousands of PC forums. The OP specifically asked for a Mac not an ugly Dell.

because I own and am using a maxed out late 2013 MacBook Pro 15 and I am not happy with it.
I want to have:

- a 4k touch screen
- hdmi 2.0 connectivity to a 75" sony 4k TV ( now I have to use a 65" panasonic 4k TV )
- full windows 10 pro functionality -- inclusive processor graphics
- Onenote local storage

thats why I can not recommend a MacBook Pro today, the Dell XPS or better Precision 5510 is sufficient to do what we want.
 
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because I own and am using a maxed out late 2013 MacBook Pro 15 and I am not happy with it.
I want to have:

- a 4k touch screen
- hdmi 2.0 connectivity to a 75" sony 4k TV ( now I have to use a 65" panasonic 4k TV )
- full windows 10 pro functionality -- inclusive processor graphics
- Onenote local storage

thats why I can not recommend a MacBook Pro today, the Dell XPS or better Precision 5510 is sufficient to do what we want.

The 2013 was a bit slow. 2014 and 2015 are great machines.

Just because you want those options doesn't mean it's good. Apple rarely follows trends on their Macs. Maybe on the iPhones but not Macs.

Touchscreen on laptops is a misnomer and its been proven time and time again. They tried to do it in the late 90s and now they're trying to force it down customers throats again like 3D movies. It's a gimmick and goes against any rules for human user interfaces.

I'm glad you like your plastic Dell, but there is a reason why Macs are popular amongst college students because they're durable and people rarely regret their decision when they buy Macs.
 
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Thank you all for your replies.

So what if I wanted to usey new laptop as my new primary machine? My current Y500 has everything I need and I'm looking to replace it, so this rMBP will be for college (research, word processing, web browsing, basic tasks), but also everything else (maybe some games, maybe some video work if I get back into it, a VM, etc). That's why I was leaning more towards the 15", but would a 13" be able to satisfy?


Yes, more than able to satisfy your stated needs. Just get a bigger drive to get your video and virtual machines on it. The processor and battery life are awesome on this machine!
 
The 2013 was a bit slow. 2014 and 2015 are great machines.

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slowness is not the problem of the late 2013 MacBook Pro 15" in fact it's geekbench is a little bit better compared to the 2015 MacBook Pro 15" ( www.everymac.com )

as far as I know you see much more Surface Pro's at Colleges nowadays, handwriting in Onenote is great ...

but if you want a 15,6" Laptop Dell is just better today (not in 2014)
 
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rMBP design is about 4 years old. Apple is a design driven company, not just hardware. It doesn't care about the latest and greatest and specs (even if it comes out with the latest and greatest, the hardware becomes old within a month or two....Moore's law still applies). It forces manufacturers to fit things in their schedule, not the other way around.

Dell, HP and all these other companies have like 500 versions of their pc's and they update specs all the time, and nowadays specs don't mean anything.

There is nothing that you can do on your Dell that I can't do on my 2014 rMBP. CPU and GPU upgrades are so minuscule nowadays, it doesn't really matter. This is Apple's ideology and has always been that way. This is why when you go to any store, you see other 3rd rate companies copying Apple's design. Everything now looks like a chiclet keyboard or rMBP chasis.

When Apple comes out with a new design next year, others will copy it in a year or two. And so on.
The industry has changed a lot, so Apple is trying to adapt too.

My rMBP doesn't really get that hot, if I'm browsing the web, watching netflix, etc. But once things like Flash get used, it does become much hotter. No doubt about it. And not counting rendering and other heavy tasks. But your Dell's will do the same. The only difference is the Dells are plastic piece of crap, with terrible battery, finicky OS, etc. etc.

I'm really tired of this discussion. Apple just makes better products and we are trying to help the OP get a rMBP for the lowest price since he/she is a student. It's better to have a 1 year old rMBP than a brand new Dell just because it has a newer GPU...the overall experience is just better on the Mac side.

Why are you defending Dell on a Mac forum anyway? There are literally hundreds if not thousands of PC forums. The OP specifically asked for a Mac not an ugly Dell.

Not defending or owning an XPS, equally what compels you to defend Apple. 15 MBP has a known track record for unreliability, excessive operating temperatures, and currently way over priced.

As I stated previously, so few question or challenge Apple is exactly the reason we stuck with the MBP that really isnt very Pro anymore. I dont blindly follow, l consider what will be the best options, viewing a computer as a tool, not a design statement.

I own mutiple Mac`s using them for work purpose & home use, including three 15" MBP"s, nor would I recomend one in it`s current form. Next generation we will see soon enough...

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I can confirm personally the 13" model works well for college.

Source: my own experience since purchasing one in october and using it this semester.
 
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I can confirm personally the 13" model works well for college.

Source: my own experience since purchasing one in october and using it this semester.

How did you handwrite on your slides while audio-recording your Profs presentation ?
 
slowness is not the problem of the late 2013 MacBook Pro 15" in fact it's geekbench is a little bit better compared to the 2015 MacBook Pro 15" ( www.everymac.com )

as far as I know you see much more Surface Pro's at Colleges nowadays, handwriting in Onenote is great ...

but if you want a 15,6" Laptop Dell is just better today (not in 2014)

I have both the 2013 rMBP and 2014 rMBP next to me and use both daily (one is for work). The 2013 is slower....because of the slower iGPU and 650m dGPU (whenever it's activated).


Not defending or owning an XPS, equally what compels you to defend Apple. 15 MBP has a known track record for unreliability, excessive operating temperatures, and currently way over priced.

As I stated previously, so few question or challenge Apple is exactly the reason we stuck with the MBP that really isnt very Pro anymore. I dont blindly follow, l consider what will be the best options, viewing a computer as a tool, not a design statement.

I own mutiple Mac`s using them for work purpose & home use, including three 15" MBP"s, nor would I recomend one in it`s current form. Next generation we will see soon enough...

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I've used 3-4 15" rMBPs in the last year or two. Never really had any problems with any of them. Remember the rMBP is EOD (end of design) so it's the most stable since it's the 2015 is the latest. I don't think it's excessive in operatiing temperature. It's not using Broadwell or Skylake or the most recent dGPUs which create less heat (ie the nVidia 9xx series).

It's not about questioning or challenging Apple. Apple is the ONLY company in the world that is design driven top to bottom. They do not give one rats ass about the status quo and they do it their way or not at all. They'll leave in the dust if they want, they don't care. They know internally "what's right." I used to work with Apple and have friends that work there.

The fact of the matter is the "negatives" of the rMBP outweigh the positives. It's a portable, stable, solid and well made device that will last for years. Your Dell will start to fall apart after a year or less. The keyboard coloring will come off. Your Dell will have a bad Trackpad. Your ports won't be nice looking. Your Retina display will NOT be as good as an rMBP. OS X is finely tuned for consumption and productivity. Windows is a generic OS that has to work with thousands of Applications.

If you're a student in any shape or form and if you get a Dell, shame on you. Don't support Dell, they're a piece of crap company.

Even if the next gen rMBP comes out, people will still complain. Can't please them all.

There are a lot of good incentives for the rMBPs (13" or 15") right now so it's definitely worth taking advantage of.
 
.. if you get a Dell, shame on you. Don't support Dell, they're a piece of crap company.

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Typical FUD Argumentation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt :
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (often shortened to FUD) is a tactic used in sales, marketing, public relations,[1][2] politics and propaganda.

FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information. An individual firm, for example, might use FUD to invite unfavorable opinions and speculation about a competitor's product; to increase the general estimation of switching costs among current customers; or to maintain leverage over a current business partnerwho could potentially become a rival.
 
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