16 GB vs 8 GB - Is 16 G overkill?

If I am using cs6, chrome, preview and a few other operations I surpass 7.5 to 8 gigs. I also have little time for edits anymore and find myself rendering movies in FCPX simultaneously.

I did 16 gigs of 1600mhz 12800pc3 ram. Night and day for open/close/save/preview etc

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Btw paid like $130 on amazon. Took 2 minutes to install and I am no longer threatening to kill someone since my craptastic mavericks upgrade.
 
Well, all I know for sure is that 4 gigs on my mid-2012 MBP makes me think it's summer again because of all the beach balls that keep flying about, and the same applies to the late-2010 iMac with 8 gigs, although that sees heavier use than the laptop.

I can't for instance watch a video over airplay while doing a skydrive sync in the background with the MBP. Beach balls galore, airplay drops connection, video freezes... Sure, the sloooow HDD carries more than a fair share of the blame but it sure doesn't help to have only 4 gigs of ram...
 
I've just bought a Haswell rMBP, stuck the 16gb in there for a little piece of mind in the future. My normal RAM usage sits at approx 8gb for every day use. It's just nice when manipulating my large photo library in Aperture(30k), or songs in iTunes (25k tracks) to have that extra when needed. I'd opt for the upgrade as it's one of the better value BTO options apple offer.
 
I can't for instance watch a video over airplay while doing a skydrive sync in the background with the MBP. Beach balls galore, airplay drops connection, video freezes... Sure, the sloooow HDD carries more than a fair share of the blame but it sure doesn't help to have only 4 gigs of ram...

Very hard to believe this has anything to do with memory. 4GB should be more than enough to do those simultaneously.
 
I guess I'm just not lucky enough to own one of those magic macs that never have any flaws and always run as smoothly as a superdome server...
 
I guess I'm just not lucky enough to own one of those magic macs that never have any flaws and always run as smoothly as a superdome server...

I own a couple of macs and a bunch of pcs, too.
I've been using computers for decades since i was a kid and for all kinds of different things.
If you read other posts of mine youll notice that my macs are not flawless.
They do have some issues from time to time.

Nevertheless my mac mini has been very stable so far. Ive done some minor video editing and all kinds of other more or less basic stuff: multitasking with word, videos, webbrowsing, photoshop. Its surprisingly snappy. If i get hung up i do a restart and then it runs smooth again.

Over many decades ive learned that to find out why your machine gets slow seems to be a complete shot in the dark. Sometimes ram works, sometimes it doesnt. Puting an ssd should def help ... maybe. Reinstalling the OS is a real charmer ... most of the time.
One thing was always true: your machine will get slower over time.
Like living creatures computers seem to get old.
When my mac mini will get slower i am planing too on treating him for an ssd and some nice ram. But will it help? ... Maybe, maybe not.

Bottom line is: getting more ram years ahead to maybe have a chance on making your system last longer in a distant future is quite a money gamble.
 
Very hard to believe this has anything to do with memory. 4GB should be more than enough to do those simultaneously.

Both AirPlaying video and Skydrive syncing seem more like they would depend on network bandwidth more so than memory or HDD (though the latter is a possible contributor too).
 
What about resell value ?

Hi,

I kinda agree that 16go is overkill and with all the arguments of both sides.

But you might want to get the 16go just thinking of the resell value. Knowing that most of the people buying rMBP will have 8go it will give you an edge on the offers and will allow you to "lose less" money on resell.

I am a developer and I am using until now a MBA 2011 with 4go with no hurdle except those fans making so much noise.
 
Hi,

I kinda agree that 16go is overkill and with all the arguments of both sides.

But you might want to get the 16go just thinking of the resell value. Knowing that most of the people buying rMBP will have 8go it will give you an edge on the offers and will allow you to "lose less" money on resell.

I am a developer and I am using until now a MBA 2011 with 4go with no hurdle except those fans making so much noise.

My sentiments exactly earlier. It's value 3,4,5 years down the line means in reality you won't be losing hardly anything selling it. Your MBA 2011 will be sold for much less than the 8gb model. With the SO-DIMM models it's didn't really matter, the new buyer could simply upgrade them but when they are soldered it's already started to show the difference in used resale values already. When the 3-4 year mark hits for the whole range soldered in I reckon the premium paid for the larger capacity models used may go even higher.

Even if you aren't a power user you can feel comfortable leaving 20 tabs open in your browser and not thinking about using command-q that often for all the apps you use :D
 
I wasn't going to bother replying to this thread for a few reasons. Firstly, it's all been asked already...pretty much everyday. Secondly, maflynn and a couple of others with sense have given you the logical answer already. Thirdly, the vast majority that have replied have already given the OP what wanted to hear..."get 16 GB because why not?!"

Well, as maflynn has said, unless you need 16 GB it's totally pointless to have it. You won't see any extra speed in the computer's response times and loading applications won't be any quicker unless the applications being opened together cache over the nominal 8 GB you'd over wise have. Snappier reactions come with faster memory, not higher capacity.

What you need to ask yourself, or rather work out, is whether the applications you will use on a very regular basis will use over 8 GB worth of cached memory in total at any one time. You then need to ask yourself that, if it does come to over 8 GB, could you lower it by closing applications and running the most important by itself? The vast majority of us could max out our memory running applications like After Effects, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro etc. at the ams time but the vast majority of us would never need to run them all at the same time.

Perhaps, just maybe, IF you use applications such as those above in a professional capacity on a daily basis then you have good reason to claim the need for 16 GB of memory. However, the vast majority of people out there that claim they use/need such applications are either hobbyists or download them, stick them on their hard drives and then never use them...they just intended to.
 
I wasn't going to bother replying to this thread for a few reasons. Firstly, it's all been asked already...pretty much everyday. Secondly, maflynn and a couple of others with sense have given you the logical answer already. Thirdly, the vast majority that have replied have already given the OP what wanted to hear..."get 16 GB because why not?!"

Well, as maflynn has said, unless you need 16 GB it's totally pointless to have it. You won't see any extra speed in the computer's response times and loading applications won't be any quicker unless the applications being opened together cache over the nominal 8 GB you'd over wise have. Snappier reactions come with faster memory, not higher capacity.

What you need to ask yourself, or rather work out, is whether the applications you will use on a very regular basis will use over 8 GB worth of cached memory in total at any one time. You then need to ask yourself that, if it does come to over 8 GB, could you lower it by closing applications and running the most important by itself? The vast majority of us could max out our memory running applications like After Effects, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro etc. at the ams time but the vast majority of us would never need to run them all at the same time.

Perhaps, just maybe, IF you use applications such as those above in a professional capacity on a daily basis then you have good reason to claim the need for 16 GB of memory. However, the vast majority of people out there that claim they use/need such applications are either hobbyists or download them, stick them on their hard drives and then never use them...they just intended to.

And you replied anyway :)
These ram threads are just irresistable .... :D
 
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that checks "about this mac" every now and then just to see if anything's different.

I did it I think twice on my Mac Pro to check 32gb. Though I am partial to a bit of activity monitor and istat on OSX and task manager in Windows!
 
Listen, if all you are doing is using writing programs, you would be much better off with the Macbook Air. It has an 8 GIG SS Hard Drive and is a bit lighter.

I mean if you want to spend the extra cash for the the retina screen, that is fine, but I can't imagine looking at text is that much better than compared to the Air, especially if you are saving some cash. I think the Air is plenty capable if you are treating FCP as a hobby.

I use a 13" rpro, and I find its far easier to carry around than the 15" model or 17" older Pro models. I have 8 GIGS and think thats plenty. The only intense program I use is Photoshop.

Just be honest with yourself. Don't just upgrade to 16 gigs to get the latest and greatest specs. How long did you have your last laptop for?

My advice would be this:

If you plan on keeping your laptop for the next 5 years and realistically feel that FCP will become more than just a hobby, add the 16 GIGs.

If you are only using FCP 4 or 5 times a month, adding a $200 cost to your laptop is a waste of money.

I would actually suggest checking out the Air to save money. There is no need to get a retina Pro if you don't actually need it. You can always upgrade later when you really need to. So much money is wasted by consumers in the thought, "well I may need this down the line".
 
Listen, if all you are doing is using writing programs, you would be much better off with the Macbook Air. It has an 8 GIG SS Hard Drive and is a bit lighter.

I mean if you want to spend the extra cash for the the retina screen, that is fine, but I can't imagine looking at text is that much better than compared to the Air, especially if you are saving some cash. I think the Air is plenty capable if you are treating FCP as a hobby.

I use a 13" rpro, and I find its far easier to carry around than the 15" model or 17" older Pro models. I have 8 GIGS and think thats plenty. The only intense program I use is Photoshop.

Just be honest with yourself. Don't just upgrade to 16 gigs to get the latest and greatest specs. How long did you have your last laptop for?

My advice would be this:

If you plan on keeping your laptop for the next 5 years and realistically feel that FCP will become more than just a hobby, add the 16 GIGs.

If you are only using FCP 4 or 5 times a month, adding a $200 cost to your laptop is a waste of money.

I would actually suggest checking out the Air to save money. There is no need to get a retina Pro if you don't actually need it. You can always upgrade later when you really need to. So much money is wasted by consumers in the thought, "well I may need this down the line".

If fcp is more than just a hobby extra ram is not going to help him at all.
For intense fcp use there is the macpro.

And you are right. The mba is a great choice. Specially the 11" low base models are a steal now. You can plug them into a screen at home and they are insanely portable. The 4gb/128gb mba 11" comes highly recommended especially cuz it is usualy on sale.
 
I mean if you want to spend the extra cash for the the retina screen, that is fine, but I can't imagine looking at text is that much better than compared to the Air


Actually, looking at text is probably the single biggest improvement that you'll notice going from a MBA to a rMBP...
 
If fcp is more than just a hobby extra ram is not going to help him at all.
For intense fcp use there is the macpro.

And you are right. The mba is a great choice. Specially the 11" low base models are a steal now. You can plug them into a screen at home and they are insanely portable. The 4gb/128gb mba 11" comes highly recommended especially cuz it is usualy on sale.

So you would suggest upping the processor over the RAM for such programs?

Yeah the Airs are great.
 
So you would suggest upping the processor over the RAM for such programs?

Yeah the Airs are great.

I would suggest upping everything (especially cpu and gpu) hence the macpro.
If he is planning on lots of fcp and still needs the mobility then he should think about the rmbp basemodels and then pump them up evenly ram/cpu (maybe 15" with better graphics and extra ssd). Rendering videos should eat processing power, not ram. U only need more then 8gigs of ram if u run several VMs or other odd stuff.
I only didnt choose the 15" because its too big. (I spend half my life on the go.)
If i would work at home i wouldnt think twice about a new macpro. (probably the lowest version) thats perfect for good video and photo editing. And: if you require more u can always upgrade later.

but since the OP mentioned that he only uses fcp a bit form time to time the mba looks like a more reasonable option for him. And: he could still get a macpro later if needed.
 
I would suggest upping everything (especially cpu and gpu) hence the macpro.
If he is planning on lots of fcp and still needs the mobility then he should think about the rmbp basemodels and then pump them up evenly ram/cpu (maybe 15" with better graphics and extra ssd). Rendering videos should eat processing power, not ram. U only need more then 8gigs of ram if u run several VMs or other odd stuff.
I only didnt choose the 15" because its too big. (I spend half my life on the go.)
If i would work at home i wouldnt think twice about a new macpro. (probably the lowest version) thats perfect for good video and photo editing. And: if you require more u can always upgrade later.

but since the OP mentioned that he only uses fcp a bit form time to time the mba looks like a more reasonable option for him. And: he could still get a macpro later if needed.

You are wise. Do you work for apple?

Still, the price diff between the Air and rPro is slim.

A base model 13" Mac Air i5/128/8 RAM is about 160-260 cheaper than the rPro 13" base-mid model with 8 RAM.

If I was the OP, I'd suggest debating on those two models instead of the RAM size.
 
Seem like good deals here
 

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You are wise. Do you work for apple?

Still, the price diff between the Air and rPro is slim.

A base model 13" Mac Air i5/128/8 RAM is about 160-260 cheaper than the rPro 13" base-mid model with 8 RAM .

Where i live:
Mba 11" 4/128 = 799€
Mba 13" 4/128 = 899€
rMbp 13" 8/256 = 1399€

Wouldnt call 500 to 600€ a slim difference.
 
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Well, all I know for sure is that 4 gigs on my mid-2012 MBP makes me think it's summer again because of all the beach balls that keep flying about, and the same applies to the late-2010 iMac with 8 gigs, although that sees heavier use than the laptop.

I can't for instance watch a video over airplay while doing a skydrive sync in the background with the MBP. Beach balls galore, airplay drops connection, video freezes... Sure, the sloooow HDD carries more than a fair share of the blame but it sure doesn't help to have only 4 gigs of ram...

... certainly are still using platter based hard drives, right? Try to put SSDs in your machines, and see them fly way from beach balls in no time. Any i5/i7 based Mac is more than suited for todays and tomorrows basic tasks like you describe them.

4GB RAM for normal use is more than fine, 8GB perfect at least for the upcoming year and 16GB future proofs you for several years to come.

That said, it depends on your workload and the software you use. Check the memory pane in "Activity Monitor", if you collect page outs and which software uses the most RAM.
 
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