The answer to that is that gamers who are not 7 years old aren't interested in the short attention span repetitiveness that all games in ios are. You get what you pay for.
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163 PPI is not that bad
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Having to be spoilt by a retina iDevice (iPhone 4) ...I really keep wondering how I survived with my non-Retina MBA which I work on for many many hours each day (including reading - a lot) 
Same with my hubbys iPad2.
Yes. I do see the difference when I compare the devices next to each other... but I don't miss it on the non-Retina ones. Not yet at least.
Yes...there are noticeable differences. However, I still think there's a big placebo effect for most people.
Same with my hubbys iPad2.Yes. I do see the difference when I compare the devices next to each other... but I don't miss it on the non-Retina ones. Not yet at least.
Yes...there are noticeable differences. However, I still think there's a big placebo effect for most people.
Hey, if it sucks it sucks and ill be the first one to say so. But all this baloney of ppi and being so terrible is silly even for Apple haters...
Well it would be nice to have a retina display on the mini, I'd rather have battery life. The iPad 3 wouldn't have been such **** if it didn't have a retina display.
I thought we were talking about ppi. Lower ppi is not as good. I am sorry, but that is just a fact. Saying that 163 ppi is the same as 264 doesn't make sense.
Apple put a screen on the iPad Mini that is inferior to competitor's screens, and I would be surprised if I couldn't clearly see the difference. I love the Nexus 7, which has more ppi than the iPad Mini, and I am glad I have it, but I think it looks a little fuzzy compared to my iPad 3.
Of course, if you want to go back in time to the same technological level as the iPhone 3G that is cool with me. Some people might not care at all about the ppi. That is totally cool. And, some people might like the Apple ecosystem better. That is cool, too.
But, it won't make 163 "not that bad" for me.
Retina spoiled me ever since iPod Touch 4th gen...
Whenever I take a look at my Macbook Air's screen after using iPad 3 for quite some time, it was already too late. I still have the urge to sell my MBA and go with rMBP, even though I know it's unnecessary.
So.... although 163ppi isn't that bad, Apple already spoiled my eyes, which is fortunate and unfortunate at the same time.
can't agree with you there. I have an ipad 2, iMac 21", and iphone 5. They all look good to me. Yes the iphone is the sharpest and nicest, but I never look at the others and think they look bad.
It makes sense if you read the entire post.
Many people are happy with 1080p on their 60" TV, some even 80" TV's, yet the Cinema display has more pixels than both at 27" inches. The viewing distance does come into play when PPI is considered.
Yes, 163 is not as dense as 264 and if it's going to be a phone, I would not buy it. As a tablet, I will wait until Friday and see.
On the flip side, Google just announced a bunch of tablets and the Nexus 10 has 300 PPI. Sounds great in theory but without the right apps, it'd be worthless to me - and many others in the market.
let's not forget if the shoe was on the other foot.
what if Amazon's new Kindle Fire was thin, light, and 163 ppi? this forum would be ablaze with criticism, cheap shots, and vile hatred for the product.
somehow when Apple does it, a logical excuse can always be found to defend Apple's decision when really the only reason is profit margin. it's not as if higher ppi screens don't exist in that size, they just don't exist in that size for the cost target Apple had in mind for the mini.
now i agree with many here, in that 163 ppi isn't horrendous per se. i had an iPad 2 and it was doable, not ideal for reading but doable. the iPad 3 i got afterwards took things to a whole new level. however i can't make assumptions how 163 ppi will look when reading news articles because i haven't tried out the product yet. all i know is that yes, it is substantially less than a Retina display and that yes, it is more than the iPad 2 display.
i am looking forward to holding the product to see how thin and light it is in person. i will probably get it for my girlfriend for xmas
what if Amazon's new Kindle Fire was thin, light, and 163 ppi? this forum would be ablaze with criticism, cheap shots, and vile hatred for the product.
somehow when Apple does it, a logical excuse can always be found to defend Apple's decision when really the only reason is profit margin. it's not as if higher ppi screens don't exist in that size, they just don't exist in that size for the cost target Apple had in mind for the mini.
now i agree with many here, in that 163 ppi isn't horrendous per se. i had an iPad 2 and it was doable, not ideal for reading but doable. the iPad 3 i got afterwards took things to a whole new level. however i can't make assumptions how 163 ppi will look when reading news articles because i haven't tried out the product yet. all i know is that yes, it is substantially less than a Retina display and that yes, it is more than the iPad 2 display.
i am looking forward to holding the product to see how thin and light it is in person. i will probably get it for my girlfriend for xmas
And yet, less ppi is not as good, though if we are arguing about 4k and 8k TVs, the difference might be irrelevant. See my comments below about the iPad.
On the iPad 2 it was too low for me, and on the Nexus it is as well, so I think I already know what I'll think about it. I'll still go to the store and check, of course. I am sure the tablet itself is stupendous, but the display (for me) makes it DOA.
Yep, but again, this is an ecosystem issue. I only use a handful of apps on a regular basis, so I'll be fine no matter what I use. In fact, in some cases, the Android apps are superior. My "problem" is that the iPad 3 has such a great display, I don't know if I would benefit from 300 ppi +. I can't distinguish individual pixels, so (like the 4k and 8k TV issue I mentioned above) we may have gotten to the point where it doesn't matter. The iPad Mini was a step backwards, unfortunately.
By the way, as far as displays are concerned, I am surprisingly satisfied with my iPad 3 in a way that I wasn't with the iPad 2. For me, this is the best experience, and I only look forward to the device getting thinner, lighter, faster, more long-lived with each charge. The display (my first priority) is no longer an issue.
Oh my goodness is Google tempting me
It looks like Google has made their announcement after all.
"The Nexus 10 will ship on Nov. 13 (same day as the Nexus 4) at a price of $400 for 16GB of storage and $500 for 32GB."
With 300 ppi it is very tempting, and I could sell my iPad 3 to get it as well. Oh, what a temptress you are Google!
It looks like Google has made their announcement after all.
"The Nexus 10 will ship on Nov. 13 (same day as the Nexus 4) at a price of $400 for 16GB of storage and $500 for 32GB."
With 300 ppi it is very tempting, and I could sell my iPad 3 to get it as well. Oh, what a temptress you are Google!
Well, it's around 132 PPI and the mini is 163 PPI. iPad 3 is 264. I'd say mini's screen is going to be a lot closer to the iPad 2's than to Retina.
I actually have an iPad 3, but you are 100% correct. The same is true for me and I guarantee you it's true for everyone else too unless they have bionic eyes or use the device two inches from their face.
I gotta hand it to the Apple honks...I never thought their "retina" display would grab the masses like it has.
This world is loaded with suckers.
I have a 21.5" iMac which I sit the same distance from as ill use my tablet from. The mini will have higher DPI. So it shouldn't bother me.
Do I notice a difference between my ipad3 and iMac? Yes, but your eyes adjust as you switch between devices.
Do I notice a difference between my ipad3 and iMac? Yes, but your eyes adjust as you switch between devices.
Going by Nintendo's struggles to sell the 3DS in the west is for gamers who aren't 7 to play on consoles or PC and use a tablet/phone for quick bouts of gaming. The days of dedicated handhelds ruling are long over. Nintendo's marketshare has dropped well over 50 percent in under 4 years. But they deserve to fail since they insist on continuing to charge 40 dollars for their crap games. They just released a crosswords puzzle game for 30 dollars. 30! There's about 20 great free or 99 cent crossword apps on the app store that are as good or better. Watching Nintendo's demise will be fun.
That's because your 15" macbook is your primary computing device.
For a lot of us, it isnt. I spend all day at work in front of a computer with keyboard and mouse. When I'm home and I want to browse the web, id rather be on my couch and pick up the ipad on the lounge table. and since its now my primary computing device, then yeah retina is nice/important
I agree with you. The average consumer isn't going to care about a retina display or even know what a retina display is!
Clearly you haven't played Minecraft Pocket, anything by Gameloft, anything by Gamevil, Infinity Blade, Aralon, World of Goo, Star Legends/Pocket Legends, EA's offerings, GTA III, games by Madfinger, Bastion, or any of the other myriad of console-quality games on iOS. I got all of the above for $.99 each. Totaling less than the cost of one DS, PSP, 360, or PS3 game. Where each game I listed can provide just as many hours of gameplay, and in cases of games like Minecraft and many from Gameloft, significantly more hours of play.
So yeah. Keep clinging to your $40-$60 games. I'll be over here on my pile of fantastic iOS games that I spent less on.
I think the PPI thing is somewhat misleading. PPI is a linear count, not an area. When you look at a display, it's a 2D image. We are not just looking at how sharp a single line is.
Many people think that the Retina (264 PPI) iPad is twice as sharp as the iPad 2 (132 PPI). In my mind, it's actually FOUR times sharper. Maybe it's harder for some to comprehend or market because he number gets much larger to compare, but here's a conversion to SQUARE inches (PPSQI...rolls off tongue, right?)
iPad 2 = 17.4K PPSQI
iPad Mini = 26.6K PPSQI
iPad Retina = 69.7K PPSQI
My main reason for pointing this out? I think the iPad Mini will look a bit sharper than people are expecting. Not just 23% sharper compared to iPad 2, but more like 53% sharper. Obviously the Retina iPad is still way sharper.
Many people think that the Retina (264 PPI) iPad is twice as sharp as the iPad 2 (132 PPI). In my mind, it's actually FOUR times sharper. Maybe it's harder for some to comprehend or market because he number gets much larger to compare, but here's a conversion to SQUARE inches (PPSQI...rolls off tongue, right?)
iPad 2 = 17.4K PPSQI
iPad Mini = 26.6K PPSQI
iPad Retina = 69.7K PPSQI
My main reason for pointing this out? I think the iPad Mini will look a bit sharper than people are expecting. Not just 23% sharper compared to iPad 2, but more like 53% sharper. Obviously the Retina iPad is still way sharper.
I was kinda bummed the Mini wasn't announced with Retina display, but quite honestly, weight/size and price are slightly more important to me than Retina. I'm sure Retina iPads look awfully nice, but the Mini just looks to be more suited to my needs/budget. I'll be upset when they add Retina to the Mini 2 (although I guess it's entirely possible they won't -- that it'll remain an iPad feature), but I'm really ready to own my first iPad, so I'll be picking the Mini up once it's released.
Um. Ok?
If you had played any of the listed games, you wouldn't have such an outlook on iOS gaming.
As for "pissing my life away", I'm not quite sure how anything I mentioned qualifies as that. When I'm in the mood for games, I play one on iOS. If that's "pissing my life away", then you're just as guilty of it with whatever platform you prefer to play games on. Further more, you're pissing away a significantly larger amount of money than I am.
So, at the end of the day, I get to enjoy games on my preferred platform of iOS, all while spending less money than you. If you want to insult me for that, go ahead. It's no skin off my dick if you're dropping $60 on a single game compared to me getting 60 games of equal quality for the same amount.
That's why the average consumer is going to go with Google and Amazon. They care about price.