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Let me up that one up:
“eeewww, 16GB as a base offering?! That’s so 2010s… I have had all my Macs with 32GBs (MacBooks) or 64GBs (Desktops) since well over a decade! Add to that 1TB for laptops and 2TB minimum for desktops!”
“I think Apple should start at 32GB and 1TB SSD as a bare minimum offering because that’s the least I need and can’t really understand different people and different needs”

While I understand what you're saying, I still appreciate apple dropping a spec that'd cause only issues in the future.
This way customers won't be able to castrate their machines.
I remember back in uni, my friends sold their souls to barely afford the base spec macbook pros (speaking of 2011-2012), only to complain about the lack of ram and performance.

Apple makes expensive stuff, and they charge way too much for simple upgrades...granted...
But it's good that customers won't have the chance to go with 8GB of unified memory.
Snarky comment of mine aside, this I can get behind and relate. As long as the base price is still the same as the 8GB or barely $50 or $100 more at most.

After all, $1200 in 2024 is only $600 in 2000s dollars. As expensive as Macs can be, it’s nothing compared to what was 20 years ago in the grand scheme of things.
 
It’s exactly that. They made an “experiment” with the retina macbook pro, offering an absolute wonder of a computer with the caveat of soldered ram and storage. The pros outweighted the cons, and after all, the rationale was that you could not fit everything in such a thin package if it wasn’t soldered. And the non retina version was still offered if rmbp wasn’t your cup of tea.

Nowadays we get mac studios where you can’t expand officially the storage just because apple are… apple.
Why would you expect anything different?

I know that many people here have been clamouring for a modular Mac since forever, at a time when the only practical "prosumer" Mac offered by Apple was the iMac.

The problem, I realise, is that people here have not been entirely honest about why they want things done a certain way. It's clear that people here want more ram because they simply don't want to pay $200 for an extra 8gb of ram, yet perhaps to avoid looking like a cheapskate, they try to take the moral high ground of arguing that 8gb ram is a bad experience for Mac users and they are simply trying to look out for everyone's interests, where the reality is likely that they just want to save a little bit of money (nothing wrong, but nowhere as noble a picture as they are trying to paint).

It's always been about the money.

The issue with the iMac wasn't that it couldn't get meaningful work done, but that it was tied to an expensive display, and you couldn't really upgrade the innards (the iMac let you upgrade the ram but not the storage, while the iMac Pro sealed the ram inside as well). I know it's technically possible to open up the iMac, but it's a fairly time-consuming process which isn't feasible for everybody.

It's also clear why Apple didn't release a headless Mac prior to the Mac Studio. They have no interest in selling a Mac "shell" to people who are then going to buy the cheapest entry level model they can afford, and then just keep adding ram and storage for as long as they can and upgrade maybe like once every 10 years. There's just no money to be made from serving this market segment.

Then the Mac Pro came along, and I think Apple acknowledges that people getting one are going to hold on to it for a very long period of time to come, and so charge consumers an upfront cost in the form of a higher price tag.

Apple Silicon is what finally allowed Apple to release a headless Mac on their terms. It's power-efficient enough that Apple can shove it into a small form factor and not worry about heat-throttling issues. The ram and storage are soldered onto the motherboard, which means that users cannot get away with simply buying the base model and upgrading afterwards. If they want more specs, they have to pay Apple's upgrade pricing. At the same time, usb-c allows Apple to also release their own pricey studio display, to the point where a Mac Studio + Studio Display combination easily costs way more than what an Apple Silicon "iMac Pro" would have cost.

It's not cheap, and it's all part of the cost of ownership and the price of buying into the Apple ecosystem and accessing the benefits of Apple Silicon and macOS. Apple is not a very difficult company to figure out. They sell a unique user experience made possible using their control over hardware and software, and they are not shy in charging what they believe the market will bear.

In contrast, it's the Windows OEMs who can't afford to do this because they are essentially selling the same filling as everybody else, and so they can only compete on price and specs. Sure, you may get more ram for your money, but it's still an intel processor under the hood, and it's still running Windows, and it's still probably sporting a subpar trackpad.

Pick your poison. 😈
 
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Why would you expect anything different?

I know that many people here have been clamouring for a modular Mac since forever, at a time when the only practical "prosumer" Mac offered by Apple was the iMac.

The problem, I realise, is that people here have not been entirely honest about why they want things done a certain way. It's clear that people here want more ram because they simply don't want to pay $200 for an extra 8gb of ram, yet perhaps to avoid looking like a cheapskate, they try to take the moral high ground of arguing that 8gb ram is a bad experience for Mac users and they are simply trying to look out for everyone's interests, where the reality is likely that they just want to save a little bit of money (nothing wrong, but nowhere as noble a picture as they are trying to paint).

It's always been about the money.

The issue with the iMac wasn't that it couldn't get meaningful work done, but that it was tied to an expensive display, and you couldn't really upgrade the innards (the iMac let you upgrade the ram but not the storage, while the iMac Pro sealed the ram inside as well). I know it's technically possible to open up the iMac, but it's a fairly time-consuming process which isn't feasible for everybody.

It's also clear why Apple didn't release a headless Mac prior to the Mac Studio. They have no interest in selling a Mac "shell" to people who are then going to buy the cheapest entry level model they can afford, and then just keep adding ram and storage for as long as they can and upgrade maybe like once every 10 years. There's just no money to be made from serving this market segment.

Then the Mac Pro came along, and I think Apple acknowledges that people getting one are going to hold on to it for a very long period of time to come, and so charge consumers an upfront cost in the form of a higher price tag.

Apple Silicon is what finally allowed Apple to release a headless Mac on their terms. It's power-efficient enough that Apple can shove it into a small form factor and not worry about heat-throttling issues. The ram and storage are soldered onto the motherboard, which means that users cannot get away with simply buying the base model and upgrading afterwards. If they want more specs, they have to pay Apple's upgrade pricing. At the same time, usb-c allows Apple to also release their own pricey studio display, to the point where a Mac Studio + Studio Display combination easily costs way more than what an Apple Silicon "iMac Pro" would have cost.

It's not cheap, and it's all part of the cost of ownership and the price of buying into the Apple ecosystem and accessing the benefits of Apple Silicon and macOS. Apple is not a very difficult company to figure out. They sell a unique user experience made possible using their control over hardware and software, and they are not shy in charging what they believe the market will bear.

In contrast, it's the Windows OEMs who can't afford to do this because they are essentially selling the same filling as everybody else, and so they can only compete on price and specs. Sure, you may get more ram for your money, but it's still an intel processor under the hood, and it's still running Windows, and it's still probably sporting a subpar trackpad.

Pick your poison. 😈
It is not only RAM that many people being disingenuous about. The whining for a large iMac is (for many many people) is all really about money. The 27” iMac was bargain (especially for Apple). One got a great display and a up to date reasonable computer at a good price. Many people pining for a new larger iMac are expecting a similar bargain. When an alternative of a Mac Studio display with a Mac mini or Mac Studio is suggested, the response is “that is too expensive”. Once again the real complaint is not separate boxes and a couple of extra cables, it is really just about money. And the ones complaining just use “the Elegance of an AIO” to sound more noble.
 
It is not only RAM that many people being disingenuous about. The whining for a large iMac is (for many many people) is all really about money. The 27” iMac was bargain (especially for Apple). One got a great display and a up to date reasonable computer at a good price. Many people pining for a new larger iMac are expecting a similar bargain. When an alternative of a Mac Studio display with a Mac mini or Mac Studio is suggested, the response is “that is too expensive”. Once again the real complaint is not separate boxes and a couple of extra cables, it is really just about money. And the ones complaining just use “the Elegance of an AIO” to sound more noble.
I'm not going to buy an iMac regardless, so I have no skin in the game, but the complaint that the Studio Display is too expensive is entirely justified, because it's essentially just a lobotomised iMac for a similar price. Stupid + Studio Display are comparatively a really crappy deal.
 
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I'm not going to buy an iMac regardless, so I have no skin in the game, but the complaint that the Studio Display is too expensive is entirely justified, because it's essentially just a lobotomised iMac for a similar price. Stupid + Studio Display are comparatively a really crappy deal.
Well, that and for some reason, the rest of the monitor industry simply isn’t interested in releasing 5k displays, leaving Apple with a defacto monopoly in said space.
 
I'm not going to buy an iMac regardless, so I have no skin in the game, but the complaint that the Studio Display is too expensive is entirely justified, because it's essentially just a lobotomised iMac for a similar price. Stupid + Studio Display are comparatively a really crappy deal.
That I can see is an honest criticism. It is the chorus clamoring for a new large iMac that provide a shopping list of rational while the actual issue is the price. Imagining a new large iMac would be offered at some sort of discount as compared to [overly expensive] combination of a Mac Studio with a ASD.
 
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That I can see is an honest criticism. It is the chorus clamoring for a new large iMac that provide a shopping list of rational while the actual issue is the price. Imagining a new large iMac would be offered at some sort of discount as compared to [overly expensive] combination of a Mac Studio with a ASD.
When the iMac was around, people wanted a modular, headless Mac. Amongst the reasons cited was the versatility of using your own display and the upgradeability (I assume people were hoping that this would save them some money in the long run).

The studio display allows pro Mac users to use a display of their choice, and now they are asking for a larger iMac because they feel it will be cheaper than purchasing the equivalent studio display combo. 🤣

In the end, it all boils down to money. Every other "concern" was simply fake "concern trolling".

Never change, Macumours, never change.
 
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16GB of RAM Could Be the New Minimum in Apple's Upcoming M4 Macs​


or stated differently:

16GB of RAM Might Not Be the New Minimum in Apple's Upcoming M4 Macs​

A tidal wave of negativity will flow if they don't, when every competitor I can see at that price point has already made that change.
 
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