17" MBP Owners...huddle up!

[JesterJJZ]

Yes, it is a coating. I guess that is fine between you and the panel, gotta love that screen door effect.

See...these comments make me think that these people have never see the AG displays on MBPs. It's really not that hard to comprehend. The glossy ones have a hard glass surface over the screen. The AG ones don't have that, it's just the ye old squishy to the touch LCD panel. It's not a coating. If anything the glossy ones have a "coating". Stop trying to convince everyone the world is flat.

Screen door? What decade do you live in? On a 17" 1920x1200 panel you won't see a screen door unless you get less than 6 inches away from the screen. It's almost "retina" by Apple's definition. If you need to get that close you have other things to worry about than seeing pixels on a monitor. Besides..ALL displays have "screen doors" what do you think a pixel is? Some just stick a plate of glass or plastic on top.

On a side note...I've always wondered what the screen looks like if you take off the front glass on glossy MBPs or iMacs.

On another side note, I now feel like a true MacRumors user. That was probably the most obnoxious post I've made. I feel like I'm part of the club now! LOL!

 

[calderone]

There is a coating, educate yourself.

 

[JesterJJZ]

There is a coating, educate yourself.

They ALL have a coating in one form or the other if you wanna get technical. The issue is the glass panel. That's what cause the reflections. AG displays do not have glass panels. They are bare, soft, gel-like, squishy to the touch. While they can reflect soft diffused light with direct light sources, they do not reflect images like a mirror. While slightly more diffused, the rMBP is still glossy.

 

[GoreVidal]

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The point being, the retina display significantly reduces reflections without resorting to the diffusion coating of a matte display. While it doesn't eliminate reflections entirely, the retina display reduces them to the point of being a non-issue in every environment in which I use the thing including my home office with all of it's west and south facing glass and afternoon glare from the sun on the ocean as well as brightly lit client conference rooms.

Point taken. That point being, environments in which YOU USE THE THING. So glad you have an air conditioned home office and quaint client conference rooms. You must feel very privileged. Still not the same as an anti-glare. Some of us who are international filmmakers, journalists, and documentarians work in the raw and don't have the luxury of choosing our lighting conditions when we are in Iraq, Afghanistan, Mumbai, Dubai, London, or other places in the field. Not to mention the fact that extra internal storage and built in ports help those of us doing that kind of work far more than carrying dongles and extra hard drives. Thanks for playing our game though.

 

[Digital Skunk]

People can call me crazy but I would not be surprised if Apple released a 17" MBPr in the future. They could be waiting for the technology or perhaps that will be the next "One more thing" they will do next year.

I can see a lot of uses for a 17" MBPr.

-P

That would be the only laptop I'd buy from Apple at this point. For me, going from a 17" to a 15" is just not going to happen. I might as well go all the way down to a 13" by some people's logic. I need screen real estate, not PPI, and I need it in the field, not on my desk.

A 17" rMBP at $4000 would be MINE!

Sticking with my 17" after owning a retina for a couple weeks.

-17" has superior storage capacity (512GB SSD+1TB HDD in Optical Bay)
-I prefer physical screen size over pixel density in this case
-speakers are far superior to the retina
-no need for additional dongles for Gigabit and Firewire 800
-Can use USB 3.0 expresscards to compensate for now USB 3.0
-Size and weight for me are non-issues and I carry it EVERYWHERE with me every day, the extra lbs in my pack doesn't register, even after carrying a rMBP for 2 weeks instead.

I for one hope they bring back the 17", just for the sheer size of it. It truly is a mobile editing studio.

Totally agree. The 17" was just too good of a machine to be replaced by a smaller screen that uses most of it's GPU power to run the display.

 

[JesterJJZ]

Chances are if you use computers a lot you don't get enough exercise anyway, so might as well make the laptops heavier to compensate!

 

[wethackrey]

Point taken. That point being, environments in which YOU USE THE THING. So glad you have an air conditioned home office and quaint client conference rooms. You must feel very privileged. Still not the same as an anti-glare. Some of us who are international filmmakers, journalists, and documentarians work in the raw and don't have the luxury of choosing our lighting conditions when we are in Iraq, Afghanistan, Mumbai, Dubai, London, or other places in the field. Not to mention the fact that extra internal storage and built in ports help those of us doing that kind of work far more than carrying dongles and extra hard drives. Thanks for playing our game though.

Again, with the ad hominem attacks. And baseless ones at that. In the past few years I've used my MBP in Pune, Goa, Varanasi (where my profile picture was taken), Dehli, Agra, Dubai, Bangkok, Phuket, Chiangmai, Siem Reip, Phnom Penn, Kyoto, Nadi, Nanuku Levu, Nukubati, Labasa, Kona, Cayman Brac, Frankfurt, Munich, Vienna, Schaffhausen, Prague, San Francisco, Herndon, Denver, Richardson, Nashville, Charlotte, Miami, San Jose and Chicago. To name a few. Not London recently though. You have me there.

Though I am duly impressed by your status as a highly successful and world famous international filmmaker, I hardly think you have any notion of what I do for a living or any basis to surmise that my life revolves around "quaint" conference rooms. What bearing whether or not my home is air conditioned has on the subject of glare on my screen, I cannot possibly imagine. But since you seem to believe it has some important correlation, the answer is no. I don't have air conditioning. I live at the beach.

I'm sure your work is not only more demanding, but more important than mine. Still, I prefer to go my own way, follow the fool's path and enjoy my retina display.

 

[BergerFan]

I'm totally over DVD drives. Would happily sacrifice them in all my Systems except one as I still need to deliver DVDs to clients sometimes. Outside of that I literally use one once a year.

Yeah me too. I only use my external optical drive for ripping the last of my remaining DVD's.

 

[whitedragon101]

I think we are getting a tad bogged down in details. Anti glare/ glossy / less glossy , optical drive/ no optical drive. These are changeable things, what makes the 17" a 17" is the size of the screen.

A 17" screen is simply bigger making it usable as a desktop replacement. Its as simple as that. Lots of us want a laptop with a big screen for various uses and we'd like to be able to buy it from apple as their 17" was awesome.

 

[clyde2801]

Yes, even a 17" with ivy bridge and a 1920 by 1200 IPS screen would have worked.

Though I suspect we need to get in the grumbling line behind Mac Pro owners. Where it will do as much good as their weeping and lamentations.

 

[vpro]

Do these specs seem right?

Does this seem right, did the 17" mbps come with 8MB shared L3 cache?

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/prod...spx?path=dc516e05fd8017dfa68754174eee759aen02

Specifically --- 8MB shared L3 cache and 4 GB 1300 MHz DDR3

Is this a late 2010 or early 2011 or late 2011 17 inch mbp, is this i7 quad-core?

It it says its a "French" computer, can you change it to English in the settings?

Thanks !

 

[terraphantm]

See...these comments make me think that these people have never see the AG displays on MBPs. It's really not that hard to comprehend. The glossy ones have a hard glass surface over the screen. The AG ones don't have that, it's just the ye old squishy to the touch LCD panel. It's not a coating. If anything the glossy ones have a "coating". Stop trying to convince everyone the world is flat.

Screen door? What decade do you live in? On a 17" 1920x1200 panel you won't see a screen door unless you get less than 6 inches away from the screen. It's almost "retina" by Apple's definition. If you need to get that close you have other things to worry about than seeing pixels on a monitor. Besides..ALL displays have "screen doors" what do you think a pixel is? Some just stick a plate of glass or plastic on top.

On a side note...I've always wondered what the screen looks like if you take off the front glass on glossy MBPs or iMacs.

On another side note, I now feel like a true MacRumors user. That was probably the most obnoxious post I've made. I feel like I'm part of the club now! LOL!

I've seen both ag and non-ag 15" MBPs. There most definitely is a coating on the AG display. The glass is removed yes, but the LCD itself has an anti glare coating applied on top of it that the glossy models don't have. If you were to remove the glass from the glossy display, you'll find the LCD is still glossy. As seen here:

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Replace-the-Macbook-Unibody-Glass-LCD/step3/null/

 

[fongyuen]

i just picked up a 2.6/8/512 rmbp at best buy the other day, it was the only config they had left, i was hoping to test drive a base model.

after only a day of usage so far, here's my impressions compared to my 2008 17":

pros:
-i can live with the screen size downgrade, 15.4 is not as bad or noticeable as i thought, esp. running on 1920x1200. (for me at least)
-much quieter and cooler in the same environs, the heat and fans on my 17" were driving me nuts
-longer battery life
-thinner, lighter
-the lid wouldn't close on me when i'm trying to use the laptop lying down like the 17" did.
-LG screen seems to be nice so far, no issues.

cons:
-for some reason, looking at the screen seems to hurt my eyes. def. did not exp. this before with the 17".
-as much as i didn't want to see it, i did notice some lag, even with gfxcardstatus set to the 650. but i had lag on my 17" as well...
-not all apps are retina ready.

that's it for now.