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I use 1Password since v3 and I like it. However, I don't like how they don't allow syncing over WebDAV.

I run a MacMini server with WebDAV and VPN. It works great with iBank on my Mac, iPad, and iPhone, yet AgileBits says it doesn't work great with 1Password. Odd. I think they are just too lazy to write the code for WebDAV since they are too butt-buddies with Dropbox.

Software should be written for the customer in mind. Seems 1Password is written to how the devs like it.
 
What? 1Password will not work anymore with Dropbox??? That's it, I'm switching to LastPass!
 
With all this nsa spying stuff, the last thing I want to do is store anything important (even if encrypted) onto the cloud... So I am torn between options as I am absolutely in love with the 1password solution. I just wish they would bring back wi-fi syncing.

Someone mentioned USB sync, how does that work?
 
In the world of $0.99 and $1.99 Apps, asking $17.99 for the iOS app and $49.99 for the Mac app is already a lot. Not questioning the value, just questioning how people are still on board with the "shut up and take my money" attitude

I've previously defended their high prices, but now on discovering that they're happy to let their software break after a couple of years and offer no fixes I'm not nearly so sure.

It's ironic, since come iOS7 and Mavericks their biggest market might be the very people they're shunning now (those unable to upgrade their OS).
 
In the world of $0.99 and $1.99 Apps, asking $17.99 for the iOS app and $49.99 for the Mac app is already a lot. Not questioning the value, just questioning how people are still on board with the "shut up and take my money" attitude

They need to pay their developers want to be paid well, and not minimum wage. Otherwise they'll have no one to do the coding!

In the world of bargain basement $0.99 and $1.99 apps, people are starting to be cheap skates.

The quality of 1Password exceeds that of a $1.99 app IMO. Lowering the price may not actually get them more revenue / sales.
 
no way

Wow. I'm still on v3 and was nearly ready to take advantage of this discount. Luckily I read the comments first. I have dropbox syncing set up but have never used it but figured it would be nice to upgrade to keep it just in case. Then I saw in the comments that they got rid of local wifi syncing in v4. Seriously?!? :confused: Now that's a feature I use all the time and have never had an issue with it. Goes completely against their claims that they as developers never used it and many users had problems with it.

I'll gladly save my money to stick with v3. Dropping the wifi syncing feature is a downgrade, not an upgrade. Pretty disappointed with the devs on this. :mad:
 
As a non-1password user the iOS price looks tempting, but I cannot see the point whatsoever in buying that if the Mac App is so prohibitively expensive. It would be just a total waste of time to have this on my iPhone and iPad but not synced my Mac. No way is the Mac version worth €44.99. Think I'll stick with my massive text file that I encrypt in a PGP archive, which I decrypt when needed and secure erase when done.
 
Did you even read the linked blog post from Agilebits?

Dropbox will continue to work on these platforms:

1Password 3 for Mac
1Password for Windows
1Password 4 for iOS
1Password for Android
1Password for Windows Phone

I must admit I didn't read it. Thanks for clarifying it though :)
 
This is so unfair! Shame on AgileBits. First off, I had to pay full price some time ago because of this issue. Suddenly they're offering a huge discount, I wonder why... OH THAT'S RIGHT! iOS 7 AND MAVERICKS ALREADY HAVE PASSWORD SYNCING!

To top it off, look at the pathetic Android version they have. Seriously, even if you don't care for Android, take a look at it on Google Play. Why? Because a company that puts out half-assed products on the market and applies discounts to some users but not others does not deserve attention.

AgileBits, get your act together, mmkay?

Nice try NSA
 
They need to pay their developers want to be paid well, and not minimum wage. Otherwise they'll have no one to do the coding!

In the world of bargain basement $0.99 and $1.99 apps, people are starting to be cheap skates.

The quality of 1Password exceeds that of a $1.99 app IMO. Lowering the price may not actually get them more revenue / sales.

Everyone needs to be paid well, I have no objection to that. To be paid well they have to show the people who pay for their apps their business is valued. And that doesn't include ignoring a bunch of people who really value Wi Fi Sync and now telling people that's the only solution
 
I love the software but have only ever used wifi sync and have no desire to put my passwords on dropbox, so I won't be upgrading!
 
Everyone needs to be paid well, I have no objection to that. To be paid well they have to show the people who pay for their apps their business is valued. And that doesn't include ignoring a bunch of people who really value Wi Fi Sync and now telling people that's the only solution

They'll be adding syncing via cable according to the FAQ.

I'm surprised they don't re-add wifi syncing since it appears to be a popular choice.
 
While you are right that they have apps for multiple platforms, you should also mention that the apps differ tremendously depending on which platform they run. 1P for Mac has differences compared to 1P for Windows, but if you want to be truly shocked, take a look at the 1P for iOS vs 1P for Android...

The Android version is abysmal. I am not exaggerating, see it for yourself. It can't even write/edit items! It's just a "viewer". It takes AGES to sync. It does absolutely NOTHING close to what the iOS version can do. And the irony is that they could probably even integrate the functionality within the Android Browser/Chrome for Android, because the system is more open than iOS. Go take a look at the forums provided by AgileBits... while they do reply in most threads, most replies where users ask when they will fix or implement things go like this "we won't tell you when, just wait or find someone else".

Well, you know what AgileBits, if you are reading, I really hope you FAIL. I really do. I hope you fail so hard that you'll learn the lesson, because arrogant businesses need to learn the hard way. Apple will steal lots of your market share and then you'll learn to support other platforms to gain your bread. As per the the other platforms, they won't miss much if you fail, will they? After all, your products are horrible on anything other than OS X or iOS. If you can't support other platforms, don't make claims that you're selling apps that are cross-platform, because this is false advertisement. After this news, this is the LAST time I purchased any software from AgileBits. I used 1P since version 2 and purchased multiple licenses of v3 out of the App Store, then I supported their transition to the MAS by buying the licence again on the MAS, I bought all their iOS versions, etcetera. Never again.

PS. Stella, I'd appreciate full disclosure, can you please just say that you work for AgileBits? Because you do.

Not useless. 1Password will work with more sites than Safari will in the next version. 1Password have had specific bug fixes to work with authentication forms, I expect Safari will require the same.

Additionally, 1Password is multi-browser / multi platform, but iCloud keychain user / passwords will be Safari only.
 
They'll be adding syncing via cable according to the FAQ.

I'm surprised they don't re-add wifi syncing since it appears to be a popular choice.


Cable syncing is WAY less convenient. Especially since my iPhone uses Lightning and my ipad uses the 30 pin dock connector. I Wi-Fi sync my devices, and that was what drew me into getting 1Password 3

Hopefully! But I'm not holding my breath. even if they do it'll be the key feature of 1Password 5 and they'll make us pay $50 again for each platform. I don't mind paying for upgrades, but what exactly did 1Password 4 even bring, other than a fresh coat of paint??
 
Ok, friendly neighborhood AgileBits Tech Support here to help answer some questions and concerns. Sorry for the delay here, this is my _second_ time responding, thanks to the forum for logging me out and erasing my reply... last time I trust this forum. Apparently I need to write up replies in a text editor first :)

I am still using the older version due to them removing WiFi Sync in the latest version...

1Password was the most valuable app to me too. But since they removed WiFi Sync it is pretty much useless now.

They have some tight bond with DropBox and are pushing that solution hard. They told me they were removing WiFi syncing because it had serious issues, I questioned that with the following quote from their own material.

"Over the years, our team fell in love with the ease of Dropbox and stopped using Wi-Fi sync altogether. Since none of us used it, and in light of the feature’s problematic nature for many of our users, we decided not to include Wi-Fi syncing when we rewrote 1Password 4 from the ground up."

Their response to me was "Wi-Fi Syncing is gone, and not coming back for 1Password. I understand that is not the answer you want, but it is the answer.
"

Got that everybody?

I did notice some passing comment recently that since the NSA revelations, they are looking at ways to bring back local network sync. But their attitude has left a bitter taste. Yes. I did try their USB Sync app. No it is not the solution.

We thought long and hard about removing wifi sync. It wasn't an easy decision but as someone who helped troubleshoot wifi related syncing issues I can assure you that many of the users who are unhappy with its removal didn't run into the trouble many other users seen. It wasn't pretty. There are so many network configurations, so many different routers, and so many different quirks that we couldn't support it for most of our users. You wouldn't believe the number of issues with networking equipment you can run into. Between proxy servers, firewalls, router configurations and all manner of other things...

USB Sync allows us more control. We have better ways to troubleshoot it, we have better understanding of where it can fail and it isn't dependent on millions of different networking configuration settings.

We hope that our unhappy users can try to see it from our perspective, we do the same with you and we hear every wifi sync request loud and clear. We just don't have a good way to provide it or fix it from what we had previously. Mutual understanding is good :) Once both parties understand each other then progress can be made.

If you have big thoughts on usb sync or wifi sync please contact us directly, a public forum isn't a good place to discuss it because things can get lost very easily. Especially when it isn't our own forum.

Wait wait, so will my 1Password Dropbox syncing stop working on my Mac too?

Only on 1Password 3 for iOS. All other platforms will continue to work, including Mac, Windows, iOS (version 4 of 1Password) and Android and Windows Phone.

1Password is easily the app I value most.

Thanks for the positive comment. I always try to respond to these because I feel like sometimes they can get lost in the sea of other questions. So, we all appreciate seeing the positive comments. :)

I really hope older versions of the software won't lose Dropbox Sync. I rely on it! I have a Mac, iPhone, iPad, and Windows PC that I keep synced this way.

EDIT: Nevermind, now I get it. This only effects iOS, so if I have to buy a new copy then at least I'll only have to buy it for one platform. Still, this stinks.

Just to clarify here, it's only 1Password 3 for iOS, version 4 for iOS will continue to work fine.

We agree, it stinks. We're trying to do what we can to help users though. The sale and trying to offer work arounds. Our support team is working around the clock to try to assist and answer any questions. We're trying to help however we can.

Ok, so what about us iPad 1 users that can't upgrade to iOS 6 and are forced to stay with 1Passsword 3?...and are not ready to buy a new iPad yet....:(

Yes, exactly this. I sill have an iPad 1 that works just fine. Suddenly an app I paid for is going to lose its key functionality? I don't see anything in 1pw 4 that demands whatever minor changes iOS6 brought (maps and passbook!)

If you can, just use wifi sync. It is for Mac only. But you can use Dropbox sync in addition to wifi sync. So, if you have any new devices running 1Password 4 for iOS, then you can continue to sync those with Dropbox, but the iPad 1 can sync via wifi. Inconvenient perhaps, but it does work.

If you need help setting this up let us know at our support email. Link in my signature.

Sorry all I'm a bit dense today. Is Dropbox sync being removed from all versions or just 1Password 3?

Also I've been using Dashlane and I think I'm starting to like it better.

Only version 3 of 1Password for iOS only.

Mac, Windows, Android, Windows Phone and 1Password 4 for iOS will continue to sync with Dropbox.

When are they releasing 1Password 4 for the Mac? I'd like to have it on OS X too since I use it on my iPad and iPhone but I'm not going to pay for 3 when 4 is right around the corner, especially knowing that they do make you pay for new versions.

We've sent emails inviting all beta applicants to try the beta application as of today. That's over 25000 users trying 1Password 4 for Mac. We want to release it as soon as we can but we need to do thorough testing and there are still a few bugs and unfinished features.

I can't give a date, but definitely stay tuned, we'll get it out to you as soon as we can!

As for version 3, you're welcome to buy 1Password 3 for Mac now, you'll get a free upgrade to version 4 for Mac. We've been doing that all year.

They didn't add wifi sync and backup in 1password 4 plus you can't copy a keychain folder to iTunes file sharing in windows. Not everybody wants to sync their passwords to the cloud (which is turned ON by default).

But if you use ifunbox you can export your 1password data for backup and import it to a new device or after a restore etc so no need for the cloud and it's a work around for the iTunes file sharing in windows which doesn't work and the none existent wifi backup feature.

Yea, this is a not so great situation right? We agree though.

1Password 4 for iOS CAN backup to Windows, but cannot restore. We have some ideas for how to fix this (such as allowing a zipped version of the keychain folder to be added instead). I'll stress this with our developers to see if we can get some progress on this.

Also, iCloud syncing is not turned on by default any longer. During the initial setup process you're asked if you want to enable it or not. So, improved now :)

Is this not going to be useless once iCloud Keychain comes out in September?

We can't really discuss things that weren't in the keynote, but here's a list of things we feel differentiate us.

* We work on Mac, Windows, iOS, Android and Windows Phone.
* We provide extension support for Chrome, Firefox, and Internet Explorer, in addition to Safari.
* We provide other syncing solutions, including Dropbox sync which is multi-platform. Need to use a PC at work? We can work with that.

At AgileBits we think this is a good thing. Apple being involved now provides a bit of a boost in mindshare right? Users see that this is a problem with their passwords and want to do something about it. iCloud Keychain brings to more people's attention what we've been trying to do for years.

1Password is good for both new users and advanced users, ultimately, we feel that iCloud is not a one size fits all solution and for those who are looking for a power user app or more features or cross platform integration, we can fill that gap.

At the end of the day, we want users to be more secure. Even if it isn't with our app.

This was my main password app, then I went with an Android device and discovered they don't truly support Android (their Android app is NOTHING close to the iOS app) so I had to move to LastPass. Too bad they don't support an OS with such a huge market share.

We're working hard on 1Password for Android. See a very quick preview here:

http://blog.agilebits.com/2013/07/14/1password-new-android-screenshots/

Yes, exactly this. I sill have an iPad 1 that works just fine. Suddenly an app I paid for is going to lose its key functionality? I don't see anything in 1pw 4 that demands whatever minor changes iOS6 brought (maps and passbook!)
 
I use 1Password since v3 and I like it. However, I don't like how they don't allow syncing over WebDAV.

I run a MacMini server with WebDAV and VPN. It works great with iBank on my Mac, iPad, and iPhone, yet AgileBits says it doesn't work great with 1Password. Odd. I think they are just too lazy to write the code for WebDAV since they are too butt-buddies with Dropbox.

Software should be written for the customer in mind. Seems 1Password is written to how the devs like it.

WebDav was something we tried in the past. WebDav however is not like a typical network connection. Basically every single file is a new transaction. Think like a webpage downloading, it opens multiple network connections, one for each file until a limit is reached.

1Password's most widespread data file (AgileKeychain) has a new file for every single data item in your keychain. This meant that syncing was slow due to the nature of the data file.

Also, checking for new updates to items was also difficult because we had to download every file.

Our new data format is much smaller (file number wise) so webdav may be possible in the future. No promises but I'll definitely mention it to the developers.

The apps that you claim do work with WebDav, likely didn't have the sheer number of files we did. Thus, they worked fine.

Hope that explains in more detail why it didn't work in the past.


What? 1Password will not work anymore with Dropbox??? That's it, I'm switching to LastPass!

1Password 3 for iOS will not work with Dropbox. 1Password 4 for iOS, 1Password for Mac, Windows, Android and Windows Phone will all work fine with Dropbox.

The Sky is not falling :)

With all this nsa spying stuff, the last thing I want to do is store anything important (even if encrypted) onto the cloud... So I am torn between options as I am absolutely in love with the 1password solution. I just wish they would bring back wi-fi syncing.

Someone mentioned USB sync, how does that work?

You can read about it here:

http://learn.agilebits.com/1Password4/iOS/Sync/USB/ios-usb-sync-faqs.html

It works well for most people. There are bugs though thus, still beta.

I've previously defended their high prices, but now on discovering that they're happy to let their software break after a couple of years and offer no fixes I'm not nearly so sure.

It's ironic, since come iOS7 and Mavericks their biggest market might be the very people they're shunning now (those unable to upgrade their OS).

We aren't happy to let it break. The issue is that Apple does not allow us to upgrade applications we've removed for sale from the App Store.

Do be aware we are _not_ happy to let it break. But, at some point there is little we can do. We lobbied to have Dropbox continue to support it longer. Unfortunately, they're pulling down that API support on September 1st.

Wow. I'm still on v3 and was nearly ready to take advantage of this discount. Luckily I read the comments first. I have dropbox syncing set up but have never used it but figured it would be nice to upgrade to keep it just in case. Then I saw in the comments that they got rid of local wifi syncing in v4. Seriously?!? :confused: Now that's a feature I use all the time and have never had an issue with it. Goes completely against their claims that they as developers never used it and many users had problems with it.

I'll gladly save my money to stick with v3. Dropping the wifi syncing feature is a downgrade, not an upgrade. Pretty disappointed with the devs on this. :mad:

I made a comment at the top of my previous reply here. Please please read that.

I love the software but have only ever used wifi sync and have no desire to put my passwords on dropbox, so I won't be upgrading!

USB Sync is an option:

http://learn.agilebits.com/1Password4/iOS/Sync/USB/ios-usb-sync-faqs.html

They'll be adding syncing via cable according to the FAQ.

I'm surprised they don't re-add wifi syncing since it appears to be a popular choice.

We've found that the number of people unhappy about wifi sync is pretty small, but very vocal :)

We hear them loud and clear. We just don't have a good solution for them outside of USB sync at the moment.

While you are right that they have apps for multiple platforms, you should also mention that the apps differ tremendously depending on which platform they run. 1P for Mac has differences compared to 1P for Windows, but if you want to be truly shocked, take a look at the 1P for iOS vs 1P for Android...

The Android version is abysmal. I am not exaggerating, see it for yourself. It can't even write/edit items! It's just a "viewer". It takes AGES to sync. It does absolutely NOTHING close to what the iOS version can do. And the irony is that they could probably even integrate the functionality within the Android Browser/Chrome for Android, because the system is more open than iOS. Go take a look at the forums provided by AgileBits... while they do reply in most threads, most replies where users ask when they will fix or implement things go like this "we won't tell you when, just wait or find someone else".

Well, you know what AgileBits, if you are reading, I really hope you FAIL. I really do. I hope you fail so hard that you'll learn the lesson, because arrogant businesses need to learn the hard way. Apple will steal lots of your market share and then you'll learn to support other platforms to gain your bread. As per the the other platforms, they won't miss much if you fail, will they? After all, your products are horrible on anything other than OS X or iOS. If you can't support other platforms, don't make claims that you're selling apps that are cross-platform, because this is false advertisement. After this news, this is the LAST time I purchased any software from AgileBits. I used 1P since version 2 and purchased multiple licenses of v3 out of the App Store, then I supported their transition to the MAS by buying the licence again on the MAS, I bought all their iOS versions, etcetera. Never again.

PS. Stella, I'd appreciate full disclosure, can you please just say that you work for AgileBits? Because you do.

Stella does not work for AgileBits. We have users who are quite happy with the application, who tend to be very vocal and try to provide help and answers. Just like any other person on here :) Cut him/her a little slack, if you want to yell at someone, please yell at me as I am an employee with AgileBits. Your frustration is better directed at me.

We're working hard to do what we can to bring all platforms on a level playing field. What you're seeing are growing pains. We started as a small Mac only shop. Then grew to iOS, then it expanded. But our platform support has primarily been Mac because that's where our users have been. It's clear things are growing outside of that. We have major updates coming to Android and Windows that will be the first in a series of updates that will hopefully bring feature parity (as best as we can provide, iCloud for example is Mac/iOS only).

We reply to every user on our forum. Khad, our main guy behind the forums takes pride in making sure he replies to everyone. Will the answers always contain valuable information regarding timeframes and fixes? No. We don't do this not to frustrate you but to make sure we aren't promising on something we can't deliver. If we said "yea, it'll be available in the Spring of 2013" and that time slips by, you'd be upset. So, we don't provide time frames until we're ready to provide them. It's out of respect for you that we don't provide time frames. When we provide one it means we've got something in the oven and ready to ship soon. We don't want to mislead. Contrary to your views, we value our users and their opinions pretty greatly. We listen to them, we bring our users concerns and requests to the people who can change things and many of those changes came in 1Password 4. Sure, we made a few users upset along the way by removing things but we felt we had pretty good reason to do so. We never say never though, so if enough users tell us they want something we'll seriously look at it.

If you'd like to discuss your concerns in more detail please email us, link in my signature, and mention me. Someone will make sure it gets to me and I'll be happy to discuss your concerns and answer any questions you have. Perhaps you may even get into the Android beta if you want. But, that's your choice. :)

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Cable syncing is WAY less convenient. Especially since my iPhone uses Lightning and my ipad uses the 30 pin dock connector. I Wi-Fi sync my devices, and that was what drew me into getting 1Password 3

Hopefully! But I'm not holding my breath. even if they do it'll be the key feature of 1Password 5 and they'll make us pay $50 again for each platform. I don't mind paying for upgrades, but what exactly did 1Password 4 even bring, other than a fresh coat of paint??

Thanks for the feedback about usb sync!

We have only charged for 2 upgrades in our entire history.

* 1Password 3 for Mac
* 1Password 4 for iOS

All other versions were free upgrades to existing users. So, a user who purchased version 1 of 1Password for Mac got version 2 for free.

All users who purchased 1Password for iOS (the original version) got 1Password 2 and 3 for iOS for free.

1Password 4 for iOS was the second upgrade we ever charged for. Likewise, many other companies charge for every upgrade. We haven't.

As for what did 1Password 4 for iOS bring?

* Favorites
* Folders (something iOS didn't have but Mac/Win did)
* Browser with tabs (previous version had no tabs)
* Browser fills credit cards, identities, and usernames/passwords (previous version did logins only)
* iCloud Syncing (raving requests for this since iCloud was announced)
* Attachment viewing (no attachment support in previous versions)
* Automatic Clipboard Clearing (just like the Mac!
* Custom Sections and Fields within our existing Categories (you can now add your own data to our existing templates!)
* Many many more

1Password 4 for Mac brings all of the above and many more. I think most users will see it and realize why it has taken awhile to see the light of day. It's been a long hard road for our developers. Believe it or not, iOS was primarily written by 2 guys. The Mac version has primarily been written by 3. Both of these updates are ground up rewrites. From scratch. It was a brand new envisioning of 1Password.

We have much more planned too. :)
 
You tell me to chill and I tell you're a shill.

And to answer your question, YES.

Chill ok?
Companies has to have discount 365 days a year to make you happy?


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Thank you for replying to my post! I will be getting in touch about joining your Android beta, and needless to say, I am very interested. I like your product on OS X and on iOS, I just don't appreciate lack of care on the other platforms, so I am really happy to know that you're taking steps to resolve the issues, and thankfully I got a better reply than I'm used to seeing in your forums, at least you offered something to try in the meantime instead of just leaving me in the dark, hoping to see a decent Android version.

WebDav was something we tried in the past. WebDav however is not like a typical network connection. Basically every single file is a new transaction. Think like a webpage downloading, it opens multiple network connections, one for each file until a limit is reached.

1Password's most widespread data file (AgileKeychain) has a new file for every single data item in your keychain. This meant that syncing was slow due to the nature of the data file.

Also, checking for new updates to items was also difficult because we had to download every file.

Our new data format is much smaller (file number wise) so webdav may be possible in the future. No promises but I'll definitely mention it to the developers.

The apps that you claim do work with WebDav, likely didn't have the sheer number of files we did. Thus, they worked fine.

Hope that explains in more detail why it didn't work in the past.




1Password 3 for iOS will not work with Dropbox. 1Password 4 for iOS, 1Password for Mac, Windows, Android and Windows Phone will all work fine with Dropbox.

The Sky is not falling :)



You can read about it here:

http://learn.agilebits.com/1Password4/iOS/Sync/USB/ios-usb-sync-faqs.html

It works well for most people. There are bugs though thus, still beta.



We aren't happy to let it break. The issue is that Apple does not allow us to upgrade applications we've removed for sale from the App Store.

Do be aware we are _not_ happy to let it break. But, at some point there is little we can do. We lobbied to have Dropbox continue to support it longer. Unfortunately, they're pulling down that API support on September 1st.



I made a comment at the top of my previous reply here. Please please read that.



USB Sync is an option:

http://learn.agilebits.com/1Password4/iOS/Sync/USB/ios-usb-sync-faqs.html



We've found that the number of people unhappy about wifi sync is pretty small, but very vocal :)

We hear them loud and clear. We just don't have a good solution for them outside of USB sync at the moment.



Stella does not work for AgileBits. We have users who are quite happy with the application, who tend to be very vocal and try to provide help and answers. Just like any other person on here :) Cut him/her a little slack, if you want to yell at someone, please yell at me as I am an employee with AgileBits. Your frustration is better directed at me.

We're working hard to do what we can to bring all platforms on a level playing field. What you're seeing are growing pains. We started as a small Mac only shop. Then grew to iOS, then it expanded. But our platform support has primarily been Mac because that's where our users have been. It's clear things are growing outside of that. We have major updates coming to Android and Windows that will be the first in a series of updates that will hopefully bring feature parity (as best as we can provide, iCloud for example is Mac/iOS only).

We reply to every user on our forum. Khad, our main guy behind the forums takes pride in making sure he replies to everyone. Will the answers always contain valuable information regarding timeframes and fixes? No. We don't do this not to frustrate you but to make sure we aren't promising on something we can't deliver. If we said "yea, it'll be available in the Spring of 2013" and that time slips by, you'd be upset. So, we don't provide time frames until we're ready to provide them. It's out of respect for you that we don't provide time frames. When we provide one it means we've got something in the oven and ready to ship soon. We don't want to mislead. Contrary to your views, we value our users and their opinions pretty greatly. We listen to them, we bring our users concerns and requests to the people who can change things and many of those changes came in 1Password 4. Sure, we made a few users upset along the way by removing things but we felt we had pretty good reason to do so. We never say never though, so if enough users tell us they want something we'll seriously look at it.

If you'd like to discuss your concerns in more detail please email us, link in my signature, and mention me. Someone will make sure it gets to me and I'll be happy to discuss your concerns and answer any questions you have. Perhaps you may even get into the Android beta if you want. But, that's your choice. :)

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Thanks for the feedback about usb sync!

We have only charged for 2 upgrades in our entire history.

* 1Password 3 for Mac
* 1Password 4 for iOS

All other versions were free upgrades to existing users. So, a user who purchased version 1 of 1Password for Mac got version 2 for free.

All users who purchased 1Password for iOS (the original version) got 1Password 2 and 3 for iOS for free.

1Password 4 for iOS was the second upgrade we ever charged for. Likewise, many other companies charge for every upgrade. We haven't.

As for what did 1Password 4 for iOS bring?

* Favorites
* Folders (something iOS didn't have but Mac/Win did)
* Browser with tabs (previous version had no tabs)
* Browser fills credit cards, identities, and usernames/passwords (previous version did logins only)
* iCloud Syncing (raving requests for this since iCloud was announced)
* Attachment viewing (no attachment support in previous versions)
* Automatic Clipboard Clearing (just like the Mac!
* Custom Sections and Fields within our existing Categories (you can now add your own data to our existing templates!)
* Many many more

1Password 4 for Mac brings all of the above and many more. I think most users will see it and realize why it has taken awhile to see the light of day. It's been a long hard road for our developers. Believe it or not, iOS was primarily written by 2 guys. The Mac version has primarily been written by 3. Both of these updates are ground up rewrites. From scratch. It was a brand new envisioning of 1Password.

We have much more planned too. :)
 
I enjoyed 1P until v4 was released because of the way the whole thing worked out. I support the idea that companies need to stay alive and need users to upgrade but by removing the old version altogether and revoking update capabilities, they aren't doing much good to users who wish not to upgrade. Let's not forget that we paid for that and by breaking it - the purchase basically goes down the drain. I'm not going to complain about scant cents; however, if Agile kept the old version alive, made it cheaper than the new version due to lack of new features, but still updated it in case things like this happen, I would have been a lot happier.

Anyhow, my post isn't going to change reality. I've been using OneSafe on my iOS devices and Mac and am very happy with it (I just wish they would put in a full browser in the iOS version). Needless to say, I will likely remove all 3rd party apps once Mavericks and 7 are publicly released.
 
We can't really discuss things that weren't in the keynote

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I do not work at AgileBits and in fact find ObjectiveC extremely tedious.

How much Objective-C development have you done? Its smalltalk-like syntax is far clearer than any other language I've ever used... Perhaps you're just used to C syntax?
 
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