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Why is it greedy? It's a service (e.g. cloud services) that runs in perpetuity, right? Isn't it better they just charge you directly via a subscription other than estimating your lifetime usage with a large upfront fee (which, if wrong, may cause the company to fail... or otherwise overcharge you)?
Well, before subscriptions, we used to pay to upgrade for major new versions ( and keep the license until we decide when to upgrade again. It’s not like people were buying software just once and forever.
 
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I need a location-aware password manager as badly as I need a location-aware password manager.
 
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I have transferred 95% (about 350 passwords) to the apple app. I do not intend to pay a subscription any more. I could pay a reasonable price for a new version of the app every 2-3 years, but no monthly

You can pay yearly. I did for several years.
 
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I took waaaaay too long to start using a password app. Starting using Apple Passwords this year. I’m slowly going through all my logins and updating using the suggested passwords.

Only thing I wish is that AP had something like a secure notes feature where I could put social security numbers, credit card numbers, etc.

The "Notes" field, which is available in Apple Passwords, may be used to store ad hoc textual information. It is secure by design, as the back end data is stored in Apple Keychain.

There are a few tweaks Apple could implement to make it more useful and convenient, but it is still quite a new feature, so room for improvement.
 
I've been a happy 1Password customer for over a decade, since I started with version 4. I suspect many people aren't aware that 1Password has an annual subscription plan vs. paying monthly. I'm on the latest version possible, so it's not like I have a watered-down version of their software compared to the monthly subscription model.

I've tried Apple Password and Bitwarden, but they just don't do it for me. 1Password has a great UI and UX that immediately syncs between all my Apple devices. Plus, there are more than enough categories to support all the different types of data I need to store.
 

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Sigh. If only I would have purchased a Windows license back when they were lifetime. I have an Android, Macos, and iOS license. Need a windows to complete my cross platform setup. Oh well. I switched to Enpass for its lifetime license. Not ass pretty but it's pretty much a clone.
 
I trust 1Password and I’ve been using it since their very beginning. Apple’s password manager is basically a watered-down version of 1Password, lacking many of its features. I store all kinds of information within 1Password, and retrieving things is easy, so it works well for me. 🤷‍♂️
The discount 1P offered the 1st years made it easier to continue with them, when they went subscription. Just because I continued with 1P now, doesn't mean I do that later.

I highly count on Apple to evolve their Password app enough to be a good choice later, and save me the money when 1P don't offer me enough good discounts anymore 😉
 
You can self-host, it offers some compelling concepts for organizing as well as sharing- Apple is limited here and I don't expect passwords will get any better treatment than journal or clips. You can audit the code as well, which can't be said for 1Pass or Apple.
1Pass took a bunch of venture capital so there's pressure to grow but that may be at odds with user or security focus, will they do the right thing or chase the growth?
Bitwarden, notably, can be used via CLI. 1Pass regressed with regard to their autofill behavior as well.

I don’t care about venture capital, and you haven’t really explained what are these compelling concepts that make Bitwarden supposedly more, um, compelling. Also, how exactly is Bitwarden better at autofilling?

I have no idea how good or bad Bitwarden is, but considering it has a free tier, I would say that’s the actual reason you claim it’s better. As for 1Password, it’s a well designed, reliable app. I like its interface, its quick search bar that you can bring up with a keyboard shortcut, its autofill works great, and the feature set is really good.
 
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I trust 1Password and I’ve been using it since their very beginning. Apple’s password manager is basically a watered-down version of 1Password, lacking many of its features. I store all kinds of information within 1Password, and retrieving things is easy, so it works well for me. 🤷‍♂️

17 Years and counting today 1Password user here. The best App for storing all sensitive data. Still no contest!!
 
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Yes it was a cash grab. 1Password was redesigned specifically to require a subscription. We used to be able to pay for a major version once and sync to a directory, which could be dropbox or something else. We're talking about maybe a few MiB of data if someone has many logins. Easily stored just about anywhere. They even went back and nerfed the browser extensions to intentionally break compatibility with old versions. I used to recommend them to everyone but haven't in many years.
AgileBits saw the writing on the wall that told them consumers were not the future, but enterprise. Like firewalls, antivirus, etc. they knew password managers would soon be integrated in to the operating system.
 
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Jesus Christ, it's incredible how everyone speaks badly of the best password manager in the world.
I am not sure Jesus suffered for all subscriptions we have to endure though 😉

I love 1P too, absolutely - it’s absolutely great.
But we have to pick what great things we favour, and when we do it. Life changes and what we favour at certain times - it’s just how it is.
Right now I look forward to see how Apple evolve’s the Password (app).
 
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