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Well I've been using iCloud keychains and will continue to do so. No worries about Windows PC as I don't have them anymore. And who knows - Apple may provide a rudimentary way to manage keychains on iOS down the road.
 
You can customized the password. iCloud Keychain does xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx and that's it. Some sites will only let use numbers and letters, so the suggested password from iCloud will not work for theses sites because it has characters in the password.

Bold: Erm, no, you don't seem to know it IS possible to create long passwords in Keychain Access, also complete random ones.

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Bold: Erm, no, you don't seem to know it IS possible to create long passwords in Keychain Access, also complete random ones.

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Not for iOS. Sorry, I should have said on iOS (iPad/iPhone).

I only use and iPad and iPhone, I have a Mac Mini, but that is just for out media stuff (movies, pictures, music, and back stuff up).
 
I use 18 chars at minimum. I just hate how some sites max you out at 8 or 10.

I hate that as well. I also get so annoyed when they disallow special characters like @ ` _ because they really help secure a password.

But like my encrypted time machine password is 36 characters with all kinds of symbols. Until quantum computers go mainstream I feel pretty safe.
 
But how much more so? Apple won't exactly have the easiest servers to get in, although we do of course have our governments to contend with. But they're not likely themselves to pilfer my credit card details.

Facts are, I haven't yet found a story where someone has had their data compromised and iCloud Keychain has been the source of the problem.

Don't get me wrong, I love that 1P is cross-platform. That's a big draw for me, and I love what these guys do and how seriously they take their customers' privacy/security. But I won't support their policy of essentially paying for updates that simply add compatibility. Of course, other things change too, but not by any measure that I as a consumer consider them worth paying to upgrade for.

It's more secure from the standpoint that if someone has access to your MacBook, they can't simply open Safari preferences and get all your passwords. It's just another layer of security. So far as paying for updates, I bought the OS X and the iOS versions for half price 6 months ago and haven't had to pay for any upgrades so far, and I understand that the iOS 8 version won't be extra charge either.

In short, it's a great utility for me, and the iOS 8 version should allow it to full flower with Safari compatibility.
 
Price cut OS X

So they cut the price on both iOS (free upgrade to the iOS8 version)
but will it be free to upgrade to the next OS X version as well or has that always been the case? Since the OS X app is a lot more expensive I'd like to know for sure before I make the jump.

Thank you!
 
What? This is no different than Adobe charging for a new edition of Photoshop or Microsoft charging if you want to buy the latest edition of Office.

Since when is a software company supposed to give all its users unlimited updates forever because they bought one version in the past? Software companies wouldn't even be able to survive with that business model.

I think you confuse new features with OS compatibility. I bought Office Mac 2011 and it gets updates until today. If 1Password wants to make new features, they can make it as an option via in-app purchase, but they should make their basic selling point of storing password compatible with future OS.

So they cut the price on both iOS (free upgrade to the iOS8 version)
but will it be free to upgrade to the next OS X version as well or has that always been the case? Since the OS X app is a lot more expensive I'd like to know for sure before I make the jump.

Thank you!

If you can read what has been written here, 1Password gets "updated" every 2 years. So if the last chargeable upgrade was in 2012, next one might be around the corner. Yes, you will get free compatibility update with of 1Password 4, but should 1Password 5 becomes available later this year, you will have to pay.

I just gave Mac app a free trial. First impression great, works fantastic with browsers extension for basic websites but after 1Password 4 Mac's Safari extension has changed my banking password to... OTP PIN code I have uninstalled it immediately. I really don't need bells and whistles if they are not properly implemented and application cannot properly recognize one time pin vs password that was already entered on the same page.
 
I think you confuse new features with OS compatibility. I bought Office Mac 2011 and it gets updates until today. If 1Password wants to make new features, they can make it as an option via in-app purchase, but they should make their basic selling point of storing password compatible with future OS.



If you can read what has been written here, 1Password gets "updated" every 2 years. So if the last chargeable upgrade was in 2012, next one might be around the corner. Yes, you will get free compatibility update with of 1Password 4, but should 1Password 5 becomes available later this year, you will have to pay.

I just gave Mac app a free trial. First impression great, works fantastic with browsers extension for basic websites but after 1Password 4 Mac's Safari extension has changed my banking password to... OTP PIN code I have uninstalled it immediately. I really don't need bells and whistles if they are not properly implemented and application cannot properly recognize one time pin vs password that was already entered on the same page.


For the one time pin situation, all you need to do is this:

* Open the website and goto the login page
* Type in your username and password
* Leave the OTP field empty
* Save the login using this method:

http://learn2.agilebits.com/1Password4/Mac/en/KB/saving-logins-manually.html

* Edit the login after saving and change the "Submit" option to "Never"

Now when you fill into the page it will fill the username and password and leave the OTP field empty so you can fill it in and click the Login button when needed.

The reason we cannot determine what this field does is because there's no standard for saying it's a one time pin. I'm not aware of any tool out there that can determine this type of information unless it is hard coded in for a particular site by the developers. That's a lot of manual work and may be something we try to do more in the future, but for now the process above works around that quite well.

Regarding the 2 year "upgrade" comment, this is still false. 1Password 3 to 1Password 4 for Mac took place over 6 years. 1Password 3 for Mac users got free updates for 6 years before we released version 4.

1Password 3 for iOS and 1Password 4 for iOS had roughly 5 years between releases. I'm not sure where you're getting 2 years at :)
 
For the one time pin situation, all you need to do is this:

* Open the website and goto the login page
* Type in your username and password
* Leave the OTP field empty
* Save the login using this method:

http://learn2.agilebits.com/1Password4/Mac/en/KB/saving-logins-manually.html

* Edit the login after saving and change the "Submit" option to "Never"

Now when you fill into the page it will fill the username and password and leave the OTP field empty so you can fill it in and click the Login button when needed.
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What I meant is that I had inserted banking details into 1Password 4 Mac before I tried to login to the bank. Autofill of login/password worked propery but then once I input OTP, the Safari's extension proposed me to update (?) the password, which I did thinking I didn't write it down in the app properly or something. It then has overwritten my current, proper password with OTP code...
 
I keep seeing that 1Password syncs using either iCloud or Dropbox. I don't use either. Right now I use One Drive and may return to SugarSync.

Anyway to sync with another cloud based storage system?

Will 1Password work on sites that don't allow automatic fill in of passwords like banks? I know keychain won't. And on the same note, I have a bank that requires double logins. Can 1Password handle 2 step verification?
 
What I meant is that I had inserted banking details into 1Password 4 Mac before I tried to login to the bank. Autofill of login/password worked propery but then once I input OTP, the Safari's extension proposed me to update (?) the password, which I did thinking I didn't write it down in the app properly or something. It then has overwritten my current, proper password with OTP code...

Hrm, do you have a URL you can send me privately that I can check that out with? If I can recreate it I can take a look at filing an appropriate bug report for our developers.

How long is the free trial for windows?

30 days :)

I keep seeing that 1Password syncs using either iCloud or Dropbox. I don't use either. Right now I use One Drive and may return to SugarSync.

Anyway to sync with another cloud based storage system?

Will 1Password work on sites that don't allow automatic fill in of passwords like banks? I know keychain won't. And on the same note, I have a bank that requires double logins. Can 1Password handle 2 step verification?

You can sync a Mac or Windows PC to anything that stores the data locally on the computer and then transfers the data to the cloud service. This is how Dropbox works:

1) App writes to a folder on your computer (in the Dropbox folder)
2) Dropbox app notices changes and sends those changes to Dropbox
3) Other computers pull those changes down from Dropbox and alter the files locally

If OneDrive does that, then you should be fine :)

Note however that iOS will not sync to anything other than Dropbox, iCloud or via a direct wifi sync.

We don't explicitly obey the "do not autofill" option on sites. So, even if a bank has specified this we ignore it. For many banks we should work just fine on, but it may be a struggle with others due to the methods they put in place to try to prevent automated filling. If you have trouble you can send us a support email with the URL so we can take a look at it and hopefully give you some suggestions or a workaround.

Two-Step just requires saving the data manually:

http://learn2.agilebits.com/1Password4/Mac/en/KB/saving-logins-manually.html

Do not fill in the two step password before doing that. Then edit the Login item's "Submit" option to "Never" it'll fill the username, password and then wait for you to enter the two step verification token and click the Login button manually.
 
I think you confuse new features with OS compatibility. I bought Office Mac 2011 and it gets updates until today. If 1Password wants to make new features, they can make it as an option via in-app purchase, but they should make their basic selling point of storing password compatible with future OS.



If you can read what has been written here, 1Password gets "updated" every 2 years. So if the last chargeable upgrade was in 2012, next one might be around the corner. Yes, you will get free compatibility update with of 1Password 4, but should 1Password 5 becomes available later this year, you will have to pay.

I just gave Mac app a free trial. First impression great, works fantastic with browsers extension for basic websites but after 1Password 4 Mac's Safari extension has changed my banking password to... OTP PIN code I have uninstalled it immediately. I really don't need bells and whistles if they are not properly implemented and application cannot properly recognize one time pin vs password that was already entered on the same page.

It's not that I don't understand that they need money every year or two, which is fine, but I would like to know if there is an update coming up soon. I'd rather pay more for the next version than to get a discount for a version that is soon to be obsolete.

That said... is 1Password guaranteed to be compatible with OSX 10.10 Yosemite?
 
It's not that I don't understand that they need money every year or two, which is fine, but I would like to know if there is an update coming up soon. I'd rather pay more for the next version than to get a discount for a version that is soon to be obsolete.

That said... is 1Password guaranteed to be compatible with OSX 10.10 Yosemite?

It's compatible. I'm using it right now.
 
It's not that I don't understand that they need money every year or two, which is fine, but I would like to know if there is an update coming up soon. I'd rather pay more for the next version than to get a discount for a version that is soon to be obsolete.

That said... is 1Password guaranteed to be compatible with OSX 10.10 Yosemite?

Here is a post about how often it's upgraded
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/19459869/
 
I think you confuse new features with OS compatibility. I bought Office Mac 2011 and it gets updates until today. If 1Password wants to make new features, they can make it as an option via in-app purchase, but they should make their basic selling point of storing password compatible with future OS.



If you can read what has been written here, 1Password gets "updated" every 2 years. So if the last chargeable upgrade was in 2012, next one might be around the corner. Yes, you will get free compatibility update with of 1Password 4, but should 1Password 5 becomes available later this year, you will have to pay.

I just gave Mac app a free trial. First impression great, works fantastic with browsers extension for basic websites but after 1Password 4 Mac's Safari extension has changed my banking password to... OTP PIN code I have uninstalled it immediately. I really don't need bells and whistles if they are not properly implemented and application cannot properly recognize one time pin vs password that was already entered on the same page.

You can edit the password entry in 1Password and indicate the correct field to be marked as the password instead of the OTP field.
 
Not for iOS. Sorry, I should have said on iOS (iPad/iPhone).

I only use and iPad and iPhone, I have a Mac Mini, but that is just for out media stuff (movies, pictures, music, and back stuff up).

On iOS, it'll still store whatever password you put, so you can simply make one up and let it remember that. It's not significantly more secure to randomly generate one.

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Will 1Password work on sites that don't allow automatic fill in of passwords like banks? I know keychain won't. And on the same note, I have a bank that requires double logins. Can 1Password handle 2 step verification?

I think this also has to do with the browser. Websites can request that passwords not be saved, and Keychain and certain password managers obey that. I have a Safari extension called "autocomplete" that overrides this so I can always save passwords. There's no point of my browser NOT giving me the choice of saving a password. The representative above stated that 1Password ignores the websites' preferences, which is good.

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I use 18 chars at minimum. I just hate how some sites max you out at 8 or 10.

Really, I couldn't care less about 90% of the accounts I make online. This is an even worse situation for me:
Insignificant website 1: Password must contain "!" or "#".
Insignificant website 2: Password may only contain letters and numbers.
 
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On iOS, it'll still store whatever password you put, so you can simply make one up and let it remember that. It's not significantly more secure to randomly generate one.
Yes, I know, and that wasn't the point. When the iCloud Keychain gives you a random generated password, it will have characters in it using iOS. There are websites that will not take characters. There are people like me that uses an iPad as a primary devise for web browsing (and on the Mac I do have, I don't have Mavericks installed to do this to customize a password). And that was the point.

Also since 1Password has different vaults, I can have both my wife's passwords and mine passwords in different vaults on the Mac version. If you use iCloud Keychain, you can't have multiple uses at the same time, unless you switch users and have multiple users on that computer. I can switched from one vault to another in less than a second.
 
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It's not that I don't understand that they need money every year or two, which is fine, but I would like to know if there is an update coming up soon. I'd rather pay more for the next version than to get a discount for a version that is soon to be obsolete.

That said... is 1Password guaranteed to be compatible with OSX 10.10 Yosemite?

Our blog here: http://blog.agilebits.com/2014/08/08/1password-mac-ios-windows-sale/

Indicates:

We are announcing that, for Mac and iOS users, our updates coming this fall for Apple’s OS X Yosemite and iOS 8—yes, including our awesome new Safari and in-app extension—will be free for current owners.

Hope that helps :)
 
5 out of 5 app

I totally rate and recommend this app. Within an hour of installing I could sit back easy knowing that over 100 of the websites I use had secure and different passwords.

They even have an extension of iOS8 already in the works so you won't have to leave Safari.
 
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