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2-Button Mouse Petition
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Counterfit said:
so basicly that is you keep you hand over there but if you left had is on the home row or you hand is not sitting on the keyboard it is a lot slower (for example currently I have a cup of coffee in my left hand making it useless for hitting the keyboard). I know I have right clicking flowed by a left click down to an art and I would love to see if some who control clicks could possible be faster than me in it.
(use a wireless keyboard and mouse and that stuff tends to happen a lot more. Plus it take more engery and is much less effect. I not saying that it is not possible but I figure I show the flaw in the theroy. multi mouse buttons are more effecnt. But at the same time not everyone likes 5+mouse buttons hecne the reason first thing I do with any computer boughtend form the store it toss the mouse and put a aftermarket one there.
Don't forget you can assign expose to the extra buttons (other than the left and right buttons). I just LOVE that! I currently have a Intellimouse Optical, but plan to buy a MX(something) for the extra buttons so I could summon all three expose functions, AND dashboard once Tiger comes out. Oh yeah!
hahaha, i dont think so. The one button mouse is like apples trademark. Steve is way to stubborn to change that. And it isnt that difficult to ctrl click.
No matter how many times you start up a petition for your favorite star to switch to adult movies, we usually end up having to wait for the home movies to make their way to the shelf.edesignuk said:
Sort of sucks that they usually don't take these petitions seriously.
One button.....
Apple believes in the one button mouse from a design point, but there is another reason.
From it's conception in 1984 until today, The Apple Macintosh OS is designed to be the easiests to use OS in the universe, the whole userinterface and interaction is designed arround this principle, the one button mouse fits right into this: All functions within the OS graphical interface are within reach of that mouse, and only one button is needed.
This simplifies the operation of the OS, no confusion on which button to click, REMEMBER this is done for those first time computer users, and is just as valid now as it was in the early eighties. Intuitive control was and still is the buzz word (although it is not "that" intuitive as it once was, due to the enourmous ammount of additions to the core OS today, but most of Apple's software still does a hell of a lot better than most competitors, and is why we all come to love the Mac!)
Those who want to use two buttons because it works faster in some cases, can choose from plenty 3rd party rodents: That said, the only thing Apple could do is perhaps offer one for the Powermac buyers, as an add on or upgrade offer, as these machines will usually find their way to computer pro's and prosumers etc, not your mother who wants to surf the net for recipies etc..
Why not standard, because Apple needs to keep advertising it's ease of use through all their products, and the Powermac being the flagship product, needs to carry the same message to the public....
my 2 cents..
Apple believes in the one button mouse from a design point, but there is another reason.
From it's conception in 1984 until today, The Apple Macintosh OS is designed to be the easiests to use OS in the universe, the whole userinterface and interaction is designed arround this principle, the one button mouse fits right into this: All functions within the OS graphical interface are within reach of that mouse, and only one button is needed.
This simplifies the operation of the OS, no confusion on which button to click, REMEMBER this is done for those first time computer users, and is just as valid now as it was in the early eighties. Intuitive control was and still is the buzz word (although it is not "that" intuitive as it once was, due to the enourmous ammount of additions to the core OS today, but most of Apple's software still does a hell of a lot better than most competitors, and is why we all come to love the Mac!)
Those who want to use two buttons because it works faster in some cases, can choose from plenty 3rd party rodents: That said, the only thing Apple could do is perhaps offer one for the Powermac buyers, as an add on or upgrade offer, as these machines will usually find their way to computer pro's and prosumers etc, not your mother who wants to surf the net for recipies etc..
Why not standard, because Apple needs to keep advertising it's ease of use through all their products, and the Powermac being the flagship product, needs to carry the same message to the public....
my 2 cents..
Timelessblur said:
So basically your argument is that a multi-button mouse is faster than key commands if you're drinking coffee??
You haven't shown a flaw in my theory, thanks. The nature of key commands being combinations leads to way more possibilities than a mouse with even ten buttons- so unless you only do a few things on your computer, you're going to the keyboard with your left hand anyway. You're saying you can make 'right-click' be command- great, but then what, you still have to go to the keyboard to finish the combo, ie. command+what? command+what+what?
Like I said, there are plenty of people who LIKE one button mice. Should we start a petition to keep the 1 button mouse?
IMHO: The minute Apple releases a two (or more) button mouse, the one button mouse will become obsolete, and ultimately, discontinued ... and Steve could not cope with it's demise ... so Steve chooses to forgo the revenue
Frankly, it's the one piece of hardware, the PC world hasn't copied...and never will. It's like the invention of the wheel ... fantastic ... but definitely better in pairs.
Having to use and move another arm and hand to command click will never be easier that a right click ... anyone who has tried both ways must realise this.
Frankly, it's the one piece of hardware, the PC world hasn't copied...and never will. It's like the invention of the wheel ... fantastic ... but definitely better in pairs.
Having to use and move another arm and hand to command click will never be easier that a right click ... anyone who has tried both ways must realise this.
ACED said:
Nope.
I use both: all day, every work-day of the week.
I probably spend about 50+ hours a week on the computer incl. weekends.
The two-button mouse on my PC gives me problems with the joints in my fingers and the top of my hand. Keyboard shortcuts with my left hand on the mac are far quicker than a contextual menu on any platform.
With the one-button mouse there is far less strain as I can use my entire hand to click on it.
I actually prefer the one button, especially on my iBook trackpad where I can push any part of one large button, though it extends to mice too.
It can be used with either hand without having to switch the buttons -- very handy if you have a left-handed person in the house.
OS X is not Windows or GNOME -- it's not designed to need two or three buttons. If you do need more buttons, look into a third-party mouse (Microsoft mice are good).
And really the Mac mini is the ultimate answer to the mouse debate -- it doesn't ship with a mouse.
It can be used with either hand without having to switch the buttons -- very handy if you have a left-handed person in the house.
OS X is not Windows or GNOME -- it's not designed to need two or three buttons. If you do need more buttons, look into a third-party mouse (Microsoft mice are good).
And really the Mac mini is the ultimate answer to the mouse debate -- it doesn't ship with a mouse.
Blue Velvet said:
So what about the problems/pain with your left hand having to do precisely positional and repetitive movements? Is it somehow immune to the problems/pain you say you suffer in your right hand? Aren't you at all concerned that one day it'll happen? I frankly don't believe you.
When I use a PC at work, when I seldom need to use a right-click contextual menu, I found it much less effort than keyboard shortcuts and my Mac mouse, so I quickly changed over.
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Yeah, I don't think this can be stressed enough. Single-button mice must be great to work with if you're left-handed (I'm not, by the way). But I think it would be very confusing to always be having to mentally translate left and right clicks instructions or, not having switched the buttons, using the mouse uncomfortably. Any left-handed people out there care to comment?
JeffTL said:
Yeah, I don't think this can be stressed enough. Single-button mice must be great to work with if you're left-handed (I'm not, by the way). But I think it would be very confusing to always be having to mentally translate left and right clicks instructions or, not having switched the buttons, using the mouse uncomfortably. Any left-handed people out there care to comment?
ACED said:
You don't believe me? I frankly think your attitude sucks...
Just because I say something that's true & valid for my situation, you feel the need to say something like that? How the hell can you be so arrogantly judgemental about something you know nothing about?
Look, I spend a lot of time each day deep in Quark, Acrobat, Photoshop & Illustrator on the Mac. I also have a Dell that's used for office communication... On the Mac many keyboard commands are grouped at the left edge of the keyboard. Contextual menus in these applications are slow and inprecise. In fact, many OS X commands are conveniently at the left edge of the keyboard as well.
The two-button mouse forces you to use your index finger alone for the mouse whereas the one-button one does not. Keyboard shortcuts with the left hand are not as repetitive and are used less often.
Good for you that you use a PC at work. Some of us have to rely on getting their work done each day on a Mac -- as quickly as possible in order to meet their deadlines. I've been using a Mac professionally for the past 13 years -- don't tell me how to do my job.
decksnap said:So basically your argument is that a multi-button mouse is faster than key commands if you're drinking coffee??
You haven't shown a flaw in my theory, thanks. The nature of key commands being combinations leads to way more possibilities than a mouse with even ten buttons- so unless you only do a few things on your computer, you're going to the keyboard with your left hand anyway. You're saying you can make 'right-click' be command- great, but then what, you still have to go to the keyboard to finish the combo, ie. command+what? command+what+what?
Like I said, there are plenty of people who LIKE one button mice. Should we start a petition to keep the 1 button mouse?
it was an example of one time that when you keyboard had is tied up
another example when it would be faster to for command click (other wise right click) would be in MS words when there is a misspelled word. right click will bring up a 2nd menu right over the word with a little of suggested changes. It is faster than spell checking the entirer document and using the right click then over command click.
I know what you mean on command+what but my point is when the command is command+click the 2nd mouse buttone would be faster. My point is when ever you command+what = command+click a 2 button mouse would of been faster.
Also you failed to example how a keyboard better than a scroll wheel.
For the lefthand person a 2 button mouse can be set to be either lefthanded or right handed set up flipping where mouse button 1 and 2 are.
Apple does not need to give up there 1 button mouse but they should at least start offering a 2 buttom mouse plus scroll wheel because there are a lot of mac users than what a 2 button mouse +scroll wheel that looks like an apple mouse and comes from apple it self.
Blue Velvet said:
Hey Blue ...
At the risk of judging you wrong (again) and further infuriating you, it certainly sounds like the cumlative stress over the years has passed beyond both your hands and progressed to your whole body ... sounds like you could do with a holiday away from the keys and single button.
I live on a peaceful island where things like the number of buttons on a mouse don't trouble us too much, guess we're just fortunate that way.
Peace OFF! ... let it vent.
ACED said:
I'll take 'give me a break' for 500 Alex. It sounds like Blue is in the same boat as me- We use a LOT of programs with a LOT of key commands- and a multi-button mouse is not going to increase our work flow. I tend to option+drag when I'm scrolling around, because it's not a vertical thing- it's all directions. Frankly, I've used multi-button mice, and there is no advantage when my other hand NEEDS to be using the keyboard at all times anyway. Different stroke, ACED.
dejo said:
yeah. i think younger left handers have it easier. i remember when i first started using two button mice, there was nobody who let me know that there was a way to use the two button "properly" with the left hand. It wa like learning to throw and hit when your dad is right handed. I am now a left hander who hits, throws, and clicks right.
It's the result of being a left handed man in a right society trying to make a living...Someday my people shall rise and revolt against the oppressive masses! ACED said:
By saying something like 'Frankly, I don't believe you', you are in effect calling me a liar.
Not something that personally pleases me... and not the right sort of approach to take with anyone here, especially at first meeting.
Let's be cool...
I ordered a Mac Mini online from the Apple Store today. I couldn't imagine using GIMP or the occasional FPS games I play with a one-button mouse, so I went back to the store, clicked the button that says "Mice & Keyboards" (under Essentials) and added a nice third party mouse to my order. Cheaper, too.
What's the problem?
What's the problem?
Why don't you stop whining about this!?!
There you go! You don't like Apple Pro, get this. It even looks as if Apple made it.
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There you go! You don't like Apple Pro, get this. It even looks as if Apple made it.
www.macmice.com