2 Hours at the AT&T Store. A Windows Phone, Android and iPhone Story

Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by ericg301, Jun 25, 2013.

  1. ericg301 macrumors 65816

    Jun 15, 2010
    The past weekend, I went with my dad (late 50s) and grandfather (85!) to the AT&T store. They were both due for upgrades.

    Both had Windows Mobile Phones for the last 20 months. My dad is a software engineer and Windows developer who jumped aboard the Windows Phone train to "support the platform." Now, 2 years later, he bailed. Not nearly enough apps. And the Windows Mobile 7 platform has basically been abandoned for WM8.

    He has an iPhone for work, but wanted something else to "tinker" with. So he got the Galaxy S4 Active. Good for him.

    My grandfather is very tech savvy for his age, but also grew tired of the Windows Phone. The reason? Again, not nearly enough apps -- especially for his banks. All he wanted to do is to deposit checks via his phone. And none of his banks have Windows apps. He was torn between the S4 and iPhone 5. The liked the size of the S4, but the simplicity of the iPhone 5. He was going back and forth between the two, trying to make a decision.

    Then I remembered "simple mode."

    If you're not familiar with it, "simple mode" is a feature of the S4 that hides most of the advanced features, widgets, settings, etc. It basically turns the home screen into a simple grid of icons. No hand-gesture or eye-blinking to worry about. Basically, it makes it look like....an iPhone.

    That's all he needed to see. Simple mode sold him. He uses his phone for calls, email, photos, calendar, GPS and banking apps. That's it. And Simple Mode made it real easy to put those apps on the home screen and forget about anything else that the phone can do.

    I know there a was lot of snickering when Simple Mode was announced - "the phone so complicated that it needs a simple mode" - but that was the deal breaker he needed to get the S4.

    So my dad got the S4 to tinker. And my grandpa got the S4 because of its simple. Same phone, two completely different usage cases.

    Stray observations:

    - Before this, I didn't think Apple needed to make a bigger iPhone. But I doubt my grandpa is the first senior to debate between the simplicity of the iPhone and larger screen size of Android.

    - Microsoft is in big trouble when a self-proclaimed "fanboy," who attends developer conferences and regularly wears "Windows ME" t-shirts to do yard work doesn't even consider a new Windows phone.

    - They both got S4 "Actives" for the same price as the regular S4. Why would Samsung splinter the S4 like that? If they have the technology to make a phone water proof and dustproof, why not make that a distinguishing feature of the S4, rather than create a whole new model? (I know the specs are slightly different, but the difference is negligible).

    - $60 for the S4 flip cover? And I thought Apple price-gouged on accessories...
  2. RightMACatU macrumors 65816


    Jul 12, 2012
    Awesome read :) and my full support for the S4

    Do tell grandpa not to use an Android phone for bank transactions ;) and Amazon is your friend for cheap cases/accessories.
  3. jamezr macrumors G4


    Aug 7, 2011
    Great story........nice solution and use of the "simple mode" I would never have thought of that.
    I agree with you on the S4 and the fragmentation of the brand....there are too many to keep track of.....
    I love my S4 and all that is has to offer! I also would love to have a iPhone with the same screen as my S4...i would buy that in a second.....
  4. ericg301 thread starter macrumors 65816

    Jun 15, 2010
    And just to clarify, I'm an iPhone fan. Had every model since the 3G. I gently tried to convince him join me, but I wanted him to make the decision for himself.
  5. beaniemyman macrumors 6502

    May 19, 2013
    great thread, kept me reading it till the end. your grandpa is really modern;).
    i also had a windows phone7 and because of the same issue(less apps) i switched to android. note 2 was the choice i made and believe me, haven't looked back since then.
  6. SaintsMac macrumors 6502a

    Jun 13, 2009
    I agree-great story and thanks for sharing.

    Also, can I ask why you suggest not using an Android phone for bank transactions? Thanks
  7. RightMACatU macrumors 65816


    Jul 12, 2012
    The fact that 80%+ of malware is aimed at Android devices
    Android Apps can be downloaded from pretty much everywhere without real control or security validations.
  8. deeddawg macrumors 604

    Jun 14, 2010
    What is the probability of this occurring if one is careful about what sites one visits and is careful about where one sources apps?

    i.e. is this more a matter of the user venturing into unsafe territory or a matter of the phone just being vulnerable in the course of normal usage?

    (I'm not trying to argue, I'm genuinely curious as I've not used android and am considering trying out an android device)
  9. MegamanX macrumors regular

    May 13, 2013
    and you know that breaks the first rule of the internet.

    Do not download and install things from untrusted sources. OMG who would think that they should not follow that rule. I tell people to always follow that rule no matter what.
  10. HiDEF macrumors 68000


    Jun 23, 2010
    Miami, FL
    Like PC's, be careful with what you DL and who you DL it from. Always read reviews and if you got time, do some research.

    Clueful is useful, tells you what apps use what permissions.
  11. MegamanX macrumors regular

    May 13, 2013

    Stop spreading FUD. It is fine to use for bank transactions.
  12. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604


    May 28, 2005
    I'm a bit of a Windows fanboy myself, and I'm in the same boat. The platform as a whole just isn't gaining any momentum.
  13. Fireblade macrumors 65816


    Jan 25, 2011
    With brain 1.0 you won't get malware on your device.
  14. coldjeanzzz macrumors 6502a

    Nov 4, 2012
    It's pretty crazy, my 80 year old grandfather just got a smart phone as well and he actually knows how to use it! My mom is in her 50s and is always asking me how to send photos to her friends even though I've showed her a million times. My dad doesn't even know how to check his voicemail :D
  15. deeddawg macrumors 604

    Jun 14, 2010
    Thanks, that's what I'd hoped would be the case.
  16. adder7712 macrumors 68000


    Mar 9, 2009
    If you are deeply concerned with malware, avoid installing applications that are not procured through the Play Store.
  17. Switchback666 macrumors 68000


    Nov 16, 2012
    You actually have to enable android to accept installs from sources other than the playstore and it shows a pop-up warning you have to click.

    I dare to say the only people getting malware on phones are the ones downloading cracked apps and such.
  18. dgr874 macrumors member

    Aug 29, 2012
    You aint kidding. Everyday I pick up my Lumia 920 and turn it on hoping to see an update that gives me simple things like screen orientation lock and a way to actually rate my music amongst other things. And everyday so far I'm disappointed.
  19. Vegastouch macrumors 603


    Jul 12, 2008
    Las Vegas, NV
    I dont know where you got the flip cover but ive never seen them that high. Highest ive seen is $39(@ Best Buy)...which i think is still too high. I get them online, from a website in China or Korea and they are $8 to 12 depending on which one i want so thats the store gouging you. Apple sets their prices for the store and they only get discounted when Apple says they can.
  20. theanimala macrumors 6502

    Mar 2, 2007
    Count me as another person highly disappointed in his Windows 8 phone. My work had me on a Windows Phone 7 for a year when they allowed BYOD. I was so tired of all of the shortcomings, and lack of apps, that I went with an iPhone 5. Now nearly 6 months later my work is again enforcing a corporate phone policy and they supplied me with a Nokia Lumia 920 Windows 8 phone. I do not know why they dropped support for Win 7 phones, because to me I notice NO difference between the two. I still cannot change the font size in email preview, which kills because I have this big screen and can only preview a few emails. I hate the stock keyboard and cannot change it. I hate that there are almost none of my favorite apps, and the ones that are around there are no free versions like on iOS and Android.

    Everyone talks about the "speed" of windows phone, but I only find the gui to be fast. Program load times, facebook refresh, web browsing, are all significantly slower then my iPhone or my wife's S3. I seriously hate using this device. I think your father and grand father made wise decisions.
  21. ericg301 thread starter macrumors 65816

    Jun 15, 2010

    That's what the official Samsung flip covers were priced at the AT&T store.

    They weren't purchased.
  22. comper macrumors regular

    Feb 27, 2011
    Regular flip covers retail for $40. The flip cover with the window to see calls/notifications retails for $60. Either one can be had on amazon for under $20, though.
  23. Six8 macrumors 65816


    Feb 1, 2012
  24. maxosx macrumors 68020

    Dec 13, 2012
    Southern California
    The S4 Active is a very nice model. Offering a choice is not "splintering".

    You didn't spend $60 with Samsung it's your carrier that gouged you.

    Amazon sells the exact same cover for well under $20.00

  25. Peterg2, Jul 1, 2013
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2013

    Peterg2 macrumors 6502a

    Jan 28, 2008
    Montreal, Canada
    Did you read the reviews at the link you gave?

    Apparently, this particular one is a poor quality knock-off.

    Edit: Better to link to the full website (as opposed to the mobile one) as you can see the follow-up comments to the reviews confirming that this is a knock-off


    The reviews are here: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galax...dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

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