2007 Harpertown Stoakley-Seaburg Motherboard With New Graphics Cards 8-Core Mac Pro

[Macinposh]

Is there any larger 30"+ panels in pipeline?

The present 30" have been around for couple of years,but the panel developement seem to have stagnated. Havent heard much talk about larger panels, or superhi-res either.
So,would there be some 35" 3500 x 2000px wide wonders coming up at some point?
Some 47" qhd´s were apparently promised last year,but havent seen them either..


So,any big love coming up?

 

[desenso]

1984? Anyone?
A bit fasistic,if you ask me.
But mods rule,mobs obey.

But,to the subject.

Is there any larger 30"+ panels in pipeline?

The present 30" have been around for couple of years,but the panel developement seem to have stagnated. Havent heard much talk about larger panels, or superhi-res either.
So,would there be some 35" 3500 x 2000px wide wonders coming up at some point?
Some 47" qhd´s were apparently promised last year,but havent seen them either..


So,any big love coming up?

Honestly, who the hell needs a 47" monitor? It just wouldn't be practical. Even the 30" requires you to rotate your head...

 

[Macinposh]

Honestly, who the hell needs a 47" monitor? It just wouldn't be practical. Even the 30" requires you to rotate your head...

Well,let´s see?

Video: You could have your palettes,pre-processed image and final render in same display.
Music : You could have your full tracklist (128 tracks?) and all other stuff visible all the time.
Photo: Hmm..Well,you could run LR and photoshop side by side AND working on vertical photos would be easier due to the greater height.


I´ve personally been working with a 30" for the last year for photo,and honestly, it is a bit too small. Been considering a second 23" or 30" for additional display for added room. Especially in LR you would need the previews to be larger. The present 3 previews side by side is too cramped to make out the neccessary details,so you have to zoom in all the time.
And in music studios,where you can have the mixing table between yourself and display a big display is neccessity.


And if you need to rotate your head while watching the 30", it is too close to you...


But honestly, I wouldnt need a 47" myself. A 32-35" would be suave.

 

[netdog]

Honestly, who the hell needs a 47" monitor? It just wouldn't be practical. Even the 30" requires you to rotate your head...

I thought that the 30" was too big when I first saw it. Now I think that my girlfriend's 24" on her iMac is tiny.

 

[AidenShaw]

I thought that the 30" was too big when I first saw it. Now I think that my girlfriend's 24" on her iMac is tiny.

Does your girlfriend say that yours is too big?

 

[deathshrub]

What kind of video card would be required to power a 47" display at full resolution? Certainly nothing apple is shipping..

 

[bigbossbmb]

What kind of video card would be required to power a 47" display at full resolution? Certainly nothing apple is shipping..

I'm sure that dual-link DVI can handle more than the 2560x1600 of the current 30". Although I wouldn't be completely happy with the move, if Apple switched to HDMI-based displays and graphics cards (HDMI 1.3), it would increase the maximum bandwidth by about 40%. That would mean something like 3072x1920 for a low to mid 30s LCD.

 

[AidenShaw]

I'm sure that dual-link DVI can handle more than the 2560x1600 of the current 30".

Don't be so sure - it looks like the 30" is right at the design limit of dual-link DVI....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-link_DVI

"WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (2x174 MHz) (30" Apple, Dell, HP, Quinux, and Samsung LCDs)"​

You might be able to push it a little bit, but not to 4K....

 

[Eidorian]

Don't be so sure - it looks like the 30" is right at the design limit of dual-link DVI....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-link_DVI

I checked on Google as well and HDMI.org confirms this.

 

[AidenShaw]

I checked on Google as well and HDMI.org confirms this.

(I'm sure that they hate those of us who actually research the posts that we make here....)

 

[sblasl]

Correct me if my observation is not correct.

The photos of the new Nvidia & ATI/AMD video cards that people have mentioned as wanting to see Apple release do not have any HDMI connections. It looked like DVI & S-Video. So HDMI would be out of the picture.

 

[Eidorian]

Correct me if my observation is not correct.

The photos of the new Nvidia & ATI/AMD video cards that people have mentioned as wanting to see Apple release do not have any HDMI connections. It looked like DVI & S-Video. So HDMI would be out of the picture.

bigbossbmb brought up HDMI 1.3. *shrug*

 

[rockinrocker]

Does your girlfriend say that yours is too big?

mine does.....

 

[bigbossbmb]

Don't be so sure - it looks like the 30" is right at the design limit of dual-link DVI....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-link_DVI

"WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (2x174 MHz) (30" Apple, Dell, HP, Quinux, and Samsung LCDs)"​

You might be able to push it a little bit, but not to 4K....

I read that wiki post too. Above the section you quoted it just states "Example Display Modes", not maximums. In a paragraph above it, it states that the maximum resolution for single link is 2098x1311 (in a 16:10 ratio). Dual Link having exactly twice the bandwidth would then be capable of roughly 2,967 x 1,854 in the same aspect ratio. Not a monumental increase, but the 30 incher's current resolution is not the maximum.

HDMI 1.3 has a 10.2 Gbit/s which would bump that limit to roughly 3,483 x 2,176.


Sure you haven't seen any cards with HDMI on them. But don't forget that Apple hasn't always gone with the mainstream connection (ADC). They were able to get their own cards from the manufacturers with the proprietary connection. Although by going with HDMI 1.3 they'd be ahead of the mainstream instead of behind (as they were towards the end of ADC).


I'm don't think that HDMI 1.3 will happen so soon. I wouldn't be mad if it did, though. Since, after thinking about it, I'm most likely going to ditch my old displays and get a new ACD when they're released to go with a Harpertown MP.


Apologies for the long post, I kinda got excited at the thought of a 7.58 megapixel display.

 

[Pressure]

Correct me if my observation is not correct.

The photos of the new Nvidia & ATI/AMD video cards that people have mentioned as wanting to see Apple release do not have any HDMI connections. It looked like DVI & S-Video. So HDMI would be out of the picture.

Actually, several ATi and nVIDIA cards come with an HDMI output or a DVI-to-HDMI connector.

 

[Wild-Bill]

I'm sure whatever cards Apple chooses for the next Mac Pro revision, I am confident we will be stuck with those, and only those options for another year and a half as the Mac Pro status falls into the 2008 official Apple Pay No Mind List....

 

[G4DP]

I guess that proves it.

I think the MacBook update proves once and for all that the MacPro and it's users are not important to Apple.

So both Laptop lines have had 2 revisions in the past 12 months or so, the iMac has also had a significant update and a minor revision IIRC. I guess Apple hates the MacPro as much as it hates the Mini.

Way to go Steve!

When ever this update does happen it better be something absolutely amazing and for a reasonable price or there are going to be a very large number of annoyed customers.

Myself included.

 

[Umbongo]

I think the MacBook update proves once and for all that the MacPro and it's users are not important to Apple.

So both Laptop lines have had 2 revisions in the past 12 months or so, the iMac has also had a significant update and a minor revision IIRC. I guess Apple hates the MacPro as much as it hates the Mini.

Way to go Steve!

When ever this update does happen it better be something absolutely amazing and for a reasonable price or there are going to be a very large number of annoyed customers.

Myself included.

It doesn't really, you aren't the only one saying it though. Apple were never likely to do just a GPU update, which is all there was until the Clovertown pricing came down at the start of august. No other big vendors jumped on that either. So the week of the penryn release has seemed the best time for a long time, when that has come and gone start complaining, you'd be entitled to it as it's unlikely anything after that until 2008.

 

[Umbongo]

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13502

Micron chip to enable 4, 8, 16GB DDR3 modules
by Cyril Kowaliski — 10:40 AM on October 31, 2007

Just over a year ago, Micron announced that it had finished work on a 1Gbit (or 128MB) DDR3 memory chip. The chip was based on 78nm process technology, was rated to run at speeds up to 1600MHz, and the memory maker said it could be squeezed into 2GB DDR3 modules.

Today, Micron is back, this time with a 2Gbit (256MB) DDR3 chip it says is the first of its kind and the "highest density DDR3 component available on the market." This new chip packs twice the capacity of its predecessor on the same 78nm process technology. 16 of the new 2Gbit chips can be lined up on a desktop or notebook DDR3 module for a total per-module capacity of 4GB, and for servers, Micron says its new baby will enable the production of 8-16GB DDR3 modules.

Performance-wise, though, the 2Gbit chip is rated for 1333Mbps. That means an actual clock speed of 667MHz and a DDR clock speed of 1333MHz, which isn't as speedy as the 1Gbit part's 1600MHz. That said, as we saw in our review of Intel's P35 Express chipset, 1333MHz DDR3 memory is still more than fast enough for a high-end system.

Micron says it's currently sampling its new 2Gbit chips. The company expects their first commercial applications to roll out during the first quarter of 2008.

Nehalem Mac Pros to support 128GB then

 

[fernmeister]

I think the MacBook update proves once and for all that the MacPro and it's users are not important to Apple.

It might if Apple had not released major recent updates to programmes like Logic Pro.

 

[Pressure]

I'm sure whatever cards Apple chooses for the next Mac Pro revision, I am confident we will be stuck with those, and only those options for another year and a half as the Mac Pro status falls into the 2008 official Apple Pay No Mind List....

I think the MacBook update proves once and for all that the MacPro and it's users are not important to Apple.

So both Laptop lines have had 2 revisions in the past 12 months or so, the iMac has also had a significant update and a minor revision IIRC. I guess Apple hates the MacPro as much as it hates the Mini.

Way to go Steve!

When ever this update does happen it better be something absolutely amazing and for a reasonable price or there are going to be a very large number of annoyed customers.

Myself included.

I am still expecting a formal announcement in two weeks time, where Xeon branded Penryn processors are released.

 

[Rowlander]

...
When ever this update does happen it better be something absolutely amazing and for a reasonable price or there are going to be a very large number of annoyed customers. ...

A reasonable price would be nice. Maybe a quadcore-option with 2 gigs of RAM for 2.000 $? Or are Xeons too expensive for that? Has the subject of possible pricing been discussed yet?

It sure feels like Apple hates the Mac Pro, but on the other hand, what are they supposed to do? The new CPUs are just not out yet!

 

[Umbongo]

A reasonable price would be nice. Maybe a quadcore-option with 2 gigs of RAM for 2.000 $? Or are Xeons too expensive for that? Has the subject of possible pricing been discussed yet?

It sure feels like Apple hates the Mac Pro, but on the other hand, what are they supposed to do? The new CPUs are just not out yet!

They could do an 8 core for $2,000 if they wanted. There are only two dual core xeons one is 1.86GHz and the other 3.4GHz so I wouldn't expect to see either.

Pricing shouldn't be really that different to how it is now, though I wouldn't be shocked to see the highest end processor choice costing an amount far exceeding it's performance increase, even more so than now.

 

[G4DP]

It's not so much the proc's, it's the rest of the machine that is living in the past.

The video cards are 18 months old, the RAM is a joke 1GB for a Pro Workstation. You need that just to run Leopard smoothly. A MacPro should come with at least 2GB min. God help you if you use a couple of the CS3 programmes. As for the cost, the current machines are okay, but given recent fluctuations in the currencies £200 cheaper would be a welcomed moved by Apple.

 

[milo]

It might if Apple had not released major recent updates to programmes like Logic Pro.

Have you actually used Logic 8? It took almost three years to come out since the last major update, and once you get past the graphical redesign, it hardly has any new features. Many old bugs are still there, performance is worse than the previous version (and even worse on leopard), it doesn't have 64 bit support (and it's rumored that they're not planning on adding it any time soon).

It's funny, on the Logic boards, many people complain that apple doesn't care about Logic users when Apple releases other stuff.

I expect that there will be a MP in the next few weeks. The current ones, even without an update in a while, are still pretty decent. I'm not sure how much better people think they should be right now, how much more could they be upgraded based on current chips? Isn't the next batch of xeons just starting to ship around now?

I think apple is still doing pretty well on the high end, if anything, the low end (embarrassing mini configurations) and middle (no expandable machine at all) are in far worse shape.

The biggest problem on the high end is not the hardware but the software. Apple can update their hardware, but even now most apps, even first party ones, aren't optimized for 4-8 cores and more RAM. What's the point of spending $4000 on an 8 core machine if barely any software uses that power? At this point, software updates would spike MP sales way more than a hardware update.