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2007 Harpertown Stoakley-Seaburg Motherboard With New Graphics Cards 8-Core Mac Pro
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Who Knows When Stoakley-Seaburg Motherboards Will Ship?
Her MacBook cream my Quad G5? I don't think so.
That's the $64 quesiton isn't it? Is SS really that much further out? I thought it was supposed to be out by now already.
Not on the multi-threaded workflow, but BareFeats shows the MacBooks beating the Quad on some individual tasks (like iMovie)....Her MacBook cream my Quad G5? I don't think so.(
If you have a lot of work to do, use the quad. If you've got one task to be done ASAP, the MacBook might beat it.
Sooner or later, you'll realize that the Quad G5 has become a dinosaur that isn't worth its carbon footprint.
Well it seems the 2900XT is a good performer, sitting between the 8800GTS and GTX cards from Nvidia. Interesting SPECviewperf numbers against the FX5500 too.
http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeon+HD+2900+XT+Performance+Benchmarks/article7043.htm
The 2900XTX is another story though, seems it might not be what people were expecting and may not even see release according to some. Driver issues are perhaps a problem, but it all seems a bit odd from the numbers that I've seen.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052
http://www.dailytech.com/ATI+Radeon+HD+2900+XT+Performance+Benchmarks/article7043.htm
The 2900XTX is another story though, seems it might not be what people were expecting and may not even see release according to some. Driver issues are perhaps a problem, but it all seems a bit odd from the numbers that I've seen.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052
Sooner or later, you'll realize that the Quad G5 has become a dinosaur that isn't worth its carbon footprint.
Sick him, Multimedia!
Sick him, Multimedia!
Wow.... (And just the regular "Wow" - not the "Wow" of the Vista ad campaign...)
MM is speechless. Maybe the thought that the low-end "consumer" MacIntel laptop is faster than the quad G5 has him inching closer to that "buy button"...
now now... flaming and mockery are no ways to win friends. we want him to be proud when that 8-core hits his desk.
Let's stick to the facts... the 8-core dominates the multi-threaded workflow.
The latest benchmarks reveal that the wait is officially over for many types of users and many styles of workflow. All who really need it can now have it as soon as they desire. All others can futz about with whatever they currently have until the desire/affordability ratio tilts towards that buy button...
I Can't Rationalize The Purchase As The Hardware Is Today
Not really. When I look at the lowest 9GB ram $6,000 price tag for nothing new except the 8 cores, I tell myself that I can limp along for another 6 months, if necessary, to get a 2007 motherboard and new graphics card options with Leopard. While it would help me to have it now, I guess I can do without it meantime. While I think I need it, it's not a make or break thing yet for me. The Leopard delay makes me want to delay this purchase as well. While I appreciate your encouragement for me to buy now, I'm not persuaded now is the right time for me.
Ok, benchmarks are great, but in real world performance, they aren't that bad. We still use some at work, and with enough RAM, they're still pretty good for those doing video, audio, and imaging. Especially with the stuff that runs on Rosetta on the Intels. We are moving slowly to Mac Pros, and replacing older eMacs and iMacs with Intel iMacs, and people can't wait to get MBPs (we barely have any PowerBooks left), but there are still plenty of G5 PowerMacs in regular use with no plans to upgrade any time soon. Even after we move to FCS2 and Adobe's universal stuff.
The new ones are faster, but they aren't that much fast. Disappointing actually. Though my Intel C2D iMac at work does run FireFox a little fast than my G5 iMac at home, I'm still waiting for the new Santa Rosa, or even Penryn to upgrade. Most of the limits on my G5 are with the craptastic video card, the CPU intensive stuff isn't too bad.
My home built AMD running XP (tried Vista, didn't like it) is disappointing slow and continues to be even with the upgrades I've made.
Current 8-Core is an option..
Since After Effects CS3 is performing wonders on the 8-Core..
http://www.barefeats.com/octopro4.html
And multitasking gets its racing stripes.. I think I may go 8 now.. enough holding out.. and second guessing things. The power will do me well..
Then a year down the line.. should be good to upgrade to the next gen.. figure the current 8-core will have a decent resale value.. especially within the render farm community.
One question.. Apple takes back computers (trades) then sells'em refurbished right? Is it a decent option when upgrading to a new computer with them?
Since After Effects CS3 is performing wonders on the 8-Core..
http://www.barefeats.com/octopro4.html
And multitasking gets its racing stripes.. I think I may go 8 now.. enough holding out.. and second guessing things. The power will do me well..
Then a year down the line.. should be good to upgrade to the next gen.. figure the current 8-core will have a decent resale value.. especially within the render farm community.
One question.. Apple takes back computers (trades) then sells'em refurbished right? Is it a decent option when upgrading to a new computer with them?
No, they don't take trade-ins. The refurb Macs are returns (buyer's remorse, lemons, things like that) and I guess retired floor models.
There is a retailer that does do trade-ins though, I just can't think of which
one it is.
EDIT: Ah-ha, here it is.
one it is.
EDIT: Ah-ha, here it is.
Commited to buying the REAL octo upgrade
I am a Graphic Designer, & I just finished a 2 1/2 year (That's right 30+ months) Geanaeology DVD project. I have been trying to multitask the hell out of my Imac 800mhz, & I have rode it hard over the last 6 months rendering & compressing 14 movies I made out of Photo stills. I have been fairly happy with the Photoshop performance, but the rendering & Compression, while Using Photoshop was extremely slow & Lagging. The project is done & I will be buying all new equipment with the final Check for said project.
I am advancing my intentions to move more into multimedia in the future, as I do 3D, Video, & I am a Musician. Although I am tempted by the current MacPro, 2 things keep me from purchasing today.
1. I don't like the Idea of getting a REV 1 Octo, that doesn't seem to offer anything new, save for Dual Quads. ( No BR, No change in Video Cards, No S.S.)
2. I won't be seeing the final payment & Be able to take the leap till the end of the summer - Fall at earliest. (Client is making me sue for 90% of the billing)
The good thing is - Leopard should be out by then, & The rev 2 with Penryn & SS, should be close to release.
I am finishing up my billing & Have had a hard time finding compression & Rendering prices in the southwest. I have over 1,000 hours in rendering & Compression & Cannot find reliable pricing. I posted in the video forums & They deleted my post!!!
Anyway, I am hoping to do a lot more in this vein of work, & I can definitely see where the added processing power will help me out.
Anybody have any ideas on when Penryn + SS will be hitting?
I Plan On Upgrading my whole setup, & Possibly adding a red cam or 2.
I am giddy over the prospects & Thank God I am a patient person.
mperkins37
I am a Graphic Designer, & I just finished a 2 1/2 year (That's right 30+ months) Geanaeology DVD project. I have been trying to multitask the hell out of my Imac 800mhz, & I have rode it hard over the last 6 months rendering & compressing 14 movies I made out of Photo stills. I have been fairly happy with the Photoshop performance, but the rendering & Compression, while Using Photoshop was extremely slow & Lagging. The project is done & I will be buying all new equipment with the final Check for said project.
I am advancing my intentions to move more into multimedia in the future, as I do 3D, Video, & I am a Musician. Although I am tempted by the current MacPro, 2 things keep me from purchasing today.
1. I don't like the Idea of getting a REV 1 Octo, that doesn't seem to offer anything new, save for Dual Quads. ( No BR, No change in Video Cards, No S.S.)
2. I won't be seeing the final payment & Be able to take the leap till the end of the summer - Fall at earliest. (Client is making me sue for 90% of the billing)
The good thing is - Leopard should be out by then, & The rev 2 with Penryn & SS, should be close to release.
I am finishing up my billing & Have had a hard time finding compression & Rendering prices in the southwest. I have over 1,000 hours in rendering & Compression & Cannot find reliable pricing. I posted in the video forums & They deleted my post!!!
Anyway, I am hoping to do a lot more in this vein of work, & I can definitely see where the added processing power will help me out.
Anybody have any ideas on when Penryn + SS will be hitting?
I Plan On Upgrading my whole setup, & Possibly adding a red cam or 2.
I am giddy over the prospects & Thank God I am a patient person.
mperkins37
Does anyone know when the SS motherboard and real octo core CPU's will be released from Intel?
I am sure Apple will follow behind by several months, as is there modus operandi, but I would love to know when to start the clock once Intel has released them.
As for me, I don't need a new Mac Pro, I just want one. So I can and should wait...although playing with a 3.0 quad with 4 gigs of memory last night blew me away. Sooooo fast. (but I am not a video or photography pro.)
I am sure Apple will follow behind by several months, as is there modus operandi, but I would love to know when to start the clock once Intel has released them.
As for me, I don't need a new Mac Pro, I just want one. So I can and should wait...although playing with a 3.0 quad with 4 gigs of memory last night blew me away. Sooooo fast. (but I am not a video or photography pro.)
Well, one would hope that Apple will learn from this "fake octo" fiasco that if you don't ship new Intel kit close to day 1, you may as well not ship it.
Waiting five months before updating to Intel's current product just means that you're so close to the next revision that anyone who isn't desperate will wait for the upgrade. Intel's roadmap is public and frequently updated - Apple's old policy of secrecy is no longer viable.
I agree but I don't think Apple is going to change their way of doing business.
They are spread too thin with too many devices these days.
I have a feeling that Apple will be perfectly content with releasing product 2 - 3 months after Dell, HP, or Sony. The primary difference will be OS X and aesthetically pleasing design.
Having said all that, WHEN IS Intel releasing the Stoakley motherboard? I don't know the model number and I can't find a reference to Stoakley or Seaburg anywhere on their site.
Intel seem to have been kind of coy about the new workstation platform and no reference numbers have been announced. It'll probably be as simple as 5100X.
That's the $64 quesiton isn't it? Is SS really that much further out? I thought it was supposed to be out by now already.
Stoakley/Seaburg aren't a processor. Stoakley is the platform and Seaburg is just the northbridge. I think they're main benefit is 2x PCI-E 16x slots for dual high end vid cards...Due late 4Q07 early 1Q08.
Nothing gonna happen Mac Pro wise at WWDC unless they add some new vid cards I'd bet.
It's silly to wait, you coulda bought that system now in mid 2007 like some of the rest of us and gotten some good use out of it.
Otherwise, you're gonna wait forever, there will always be something new a few quarters later.
8 Core in one socket? You'll be waiting until the end of the decade.
not sure why you folks have your panties in a bunch about 'real' vs 'fake' octo core. It's 8 cores on a system. Why cram it into one processor? You'd have to go sub 1GHz with the current tech per core to stay in the thermal limit for the current die.
Note here for some detail from IDF China about penryn. It's dual/quad core per socket still.
I think he was referring to the penryn chips as the current form of quad chip seems to be referred to as 2 taped together dual chips & that the Penryns architecture was that of a true quad chip, & Better able to handle instructions, & Throughput. I am hoping for the penryn also, for the same reasons, as well as that's when I will be able to afford it.
You'll need to wait for beyond penryn. Penryn is still two dual cores on a single die. Penryn is just a process shrink of the current die + SSE4 and a bit more *T tech.
Purchased 8-core (DUAL QUAD) MP after trolling this thread for ages.
All, fwiw, and considering all the opinions and expertise on this thread and DUE TO BUSINESS NEEDS/REASONS, I ordered the OCTO (dual QUAD CORE) MP last week. Should have it today because it is a BTO version/flavour.
MY reason for posting this is to state that we MOVED TO PURCHASE and not wait for rumoured new PENRYN mb designs (blah blah blah) until shipping maybe in many months time for the rumoured NEW DESIGN MP simply due to business reasons. This was that the exiting suite including our olde ye trusty workhorse G5 QUAD is ready for the pasture. For example after startup the G5 QUAD FANS never seem to turn off now, even when only MAIL.app is running....
THE workflow for the new DUAL QUAD MP is FCS rendering and HEAVY (lots of) HDV to H.264 multipass transcoding with copressor and some CG.
When FCS 2 upgrade arrives here next week+ (we're in Hong Kong) all our S/W will be UB (including the CS3 premium we have now).
We will be able to recoup some cash from the G5 QUAD (8GB ram + 1TB of internal DDM) for a respectable 2nd hand cost from a first time MAC buyer (who's coming from the dark side of xp).
In summary I would propose if you uncertain about purchasing the DQC/MP , then simply GAUGE/REVIEW your business needs.
As many have said in this thread, If it weighs up that you NEED it, simply go buy it.
All, fwiw, and considering all the opinions and expertise on this thread and DUE TO BUSINESS NEEDS/REASONS, I ordered the OCTO (dual QUAD CORE) MP last week. Should have it today because it is a BTO version/flavour.
MY reason for posting this is to state that we MOVED TO PURCHASE and not wait for rumoured new PENRYN mb designs (blah blah blah) until shipping maybe in many months time for the rumoured NEW DESIGN MP simply due to business reasons. This was that the exiting suite including our olde ye trusty workhorse G5 QUAD is ready for the pasture. For example after startup the G5 QUAD FANS never seem to turn off now, even when only MAIL.app is running....
THE workflow for the new DUAL QUAD MP is FCS rendering and HEAVY (lots of) HDV to H.264 multipass transcoding with copressor and some CG.
When FCS 2 upgrade arrives here next week+ (we're in Hong Kong) all our S/W will be UB (including the CS3 premium we have now).
We will be able to recoup some cash from the G5 QUAD (8GB ram + 1TB of internal DDM) for a respectable 2nd hand cost from a first time MAC buyer (who's coming from the dark side of xp).
In summary I would propose if you uncertain about purchasing the DQC/MP , then simply GAUGE/REVIEW your business needs.
As many have said in this thread, If it weighs up that you NEED it, simply go buy it.
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